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There is no outer space.
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originally posted by: Sheshbazzar
a reply to: gortex
A gigantic TV, there's no colored ball behind. A head is full of images, the heavens are the head, earth is feet. The former are abstract, virtual, the latter are smelly and concrete.
Not everyone's feet are made of concrete.
Some people are made entirely out of wood and cheese.
edit on 17/2/2021 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)
a reply to: Sheshbazzar
Just read your come back, I get ocular migraines so am not always the full shilling so to speak, got one now in fact they are not painful until the the blinding affect is passed then coughing or laughing feels pretty much like your post and a whole universe of pain explodes outward from one side of my defective cranium.
Though it is nice to know there are folk's more nutty than myself.
Old joke you won't get especially if you are not British but it was a well known joke among people whom were young in my generation and a play on a well know confectionary bar advert.
What as a nut in every bite.
Squirrel # (not that I have ever knowingly tasted it mind or ever would).
Take a black whole, oh not one of those seriously itchy haemorrhoid inducting (or symptomatic) Hawking black holes but a genuine true Quantum Singularity, hold that in your mind for a moment as you construct this internal model of a mechanism.
Now look at any gravity well, how does gravity interact with matter, seriously I believe it is actually like this in an over simplified model but remember I am not a scientist though I once did qualify as a laboratory technician a very long time ago.
Gravity - membrane space a separate brane verse in peripheral collision with ours or another one - the other is the source of Time, they can not coexist except and were they interact in a middle brane verse, these three interacting is the basic form of our universe.
Think of space in terms of the superstring theory then merge that with the Brane theory so that the string is a brain, the brain were gravity is native is in periphery contact with the brane that is our superstring or the stuff from which our physical reality is made, the brane were time is from is in periphery contact on the other side perhaps equal or stronger or weaker than gravity but I think equal (so using the membrane theory is just a crude form of analogy to explain this a little so bare with me and put your understanding of that on hold while you construct this model).
So gravity is therefore EVERYWHERE in the three dimensional space as we perceive it and so is time, they are both at a one to one ratio.
But this becomes fouled when there is a gravity well, - a gravity well forms were there is mass, what is mass well it is basically the stuff of our three dimensional reality Scrunched (or if you like in a standing wave form), the denser the superstring (more of it in by volume) the heavier the mass, the more gravity because the gravity remains at a one to one ratio with the superstring so more mass in less volume equates to more gravitational saturation from that peripheral contacting other brane verse were that gravity originates (it is the weakest force usually millions of times weaker than electrostatic attraction EXCEPT in dense gravity wells), oddly TIME seems to be displaced by this, so closer you get to a gravity well the greater the gravitation the slower time moves.
Now think about this, each particle of matter has gravity, between all of them there are LaGrange point's, at the heart of a snow ball, a star or a supergiant there must be a point surrounded by the mass at which gravity PULLS Outward in all directions, following I hope.
When that massive supergiant - a really really big star bigger than old betelgeuse collapses inward and becomes a black hole - or even a brown hole but for this we are going to remain with the REAL thing not the fake one - that tiny point becomes isolated, pulled on perhaps even greater than the force the black hole pulls on it's surrounding universe, it form's an event horizon around it just like the one outside the black hole and yet the force pulling may exceed e and if it does then the material the three dimensional universe is made from may very well invert, a white hole is formed this in turn spews out TIME and energy as well as raw new or recycled superstring material into this tiny point that is actually now HUGE and a new time space continuum is born.
But it gets weirder, think about how at the big bang - if it actually happened - the universe expanded faster than the speed of light (or filled that tiny point at the heart of a black hole that pulled the white hole we call the big bang into being), that may be enough to create another black hole around the white hole - perhaps a relatively small one BUT the white hole has not vanished it is just continuing to spew out time and space in an onion skin affect of black holes on and on and on.
Of course the entire mess is spinning so the distribution of energy, time and the material that forms empty space and matter is not perfectly distributed.
But overall crazy, improbable and almost definitely wrong but if you want to look into a fellow crazed mind and see how it rationalized a possible answer, but still I actually believe in God by the way, that moon is no accident, the ratio's the balance and perfect signature is of intelligent design.
But as the candle of our earthly existence is so weak, so rapidly consumed and our lives so short, we can only create an echo of the universe in our minds and due to the circular logic of our thought process, the limited tools that our individual knowledge which our mind uses to construct models and as tool's to shape them to fit our idea of reality it is a sure bet that even the best idea is a very far cry from the unseen and unknowable reality of what is actually REAL.
Also do not draw that analogy about the incarnation of God.
A woman's body does not look like a face though if it did Hitler had a really, really ugly one.
By the way ever flown outside your body, ever flown (in my case against my will) into the crown of someone else head, most disconcerting when you feel there body no matter how different it is from your own as if it was yours, you don't get control as everyone has there own soul quantum nano tubules aside it is not an interface though it can act as such, you don't read there mind and though you experience there emotions and mental state you don't get there thoughts as every soul is unique.
I thanked God when I broke free but that only happened when she experienced awful trauma (not at my hands though it made me take her over and push him away with more strength than she alone would have had), anyway another subject but believe me I have seen madness, real madness don't play with it.
N.B.
That is why they had to invent DM (get out of jail card so they could keep there theorems) to explain a seeming acceleration in the red shift indicating the universe was expanding at an increasing velocity - unless that has been debunked - its' not dark matter and energy it is falling outward toward the distant event horizon outside of which the surrounding black hole is still tugging on it, eventually it will undergo entropy and all the mass will be unravelled though spaghettification at the event horizon, time and energy will calm and the event horizon will vanish as quantum evaporation claims both the new Time space continuum and the one outside the black hole allowing them to merge back into one another, but as the closer you get to that white hole time is faster each child time space continuum has more compressed time, that balances out at the end but think in a limited time, just a second a virtual or even perhaps actual infinite amount of time has existed, better than N-Dimensional eh?.
Just read your come back, I get ocular migraines so am not always the full shilling so to speak, got one now in fact they are not painful until the the blinding affect is passed then coughing or laughing feels pretty much like your post and a whole universe of pain explodes outward from one side of my defective cranium.
Though it is nice to know there are folk's more nutty than myself.
Old joke you won't get especially if you are not British but it was a well known joke among people whom were young in my generation and a play on a well know confectionary bar advert.
What as a nut in every bite.
Squirrel # (not that I have ever knowingly tasted it mind or ever would).
Take a black whole, oh not one of those seriously itchy haemorrhoid inducting (or symptomatic) Hawking black holes but a genuine true Quantum Singularity, hold that in your mind for a moment as you construct this internal model of a mechanism.
Now look at any gravity well, how does gravity interact with matter, seriously I believe it is actually like this in an over simplified model but remember I am not a scientist though I once did qualify as a laboratory technician a very long time ago.
Gravity - membrane space a separate brane verse in peripheral collision with ours or another one - the other is the source of Time, they can not coexist except and were they interact in a middle brane verse, these three interacting is the basic form of our universe.
Think of space in terms of the superstring theory then merge that with the Brane theory so that the string is a brain, the brain were gravity is native is in periphery contact with the brane that is our superstring or the stuff from which our physical reality is made, the brane were time is from is in periphery contact on the other side perhaps equal or stronger or weaker than gravity but I think equal (so using the membrane theory is just a crude form of analogy to explain this a little so bare with me and put your understanding of that on hold while you construct this model).
So gravity is therefore EVERYWHERE in the three dimensional space as we perceive it and so is time, they are both at a one to one ratio.
But this becomes fouled when there is a gravity well, - a gravity well forms were there is mass, what is mass well it is basically the stuff of our three dimensional reality Scrunched (or if you like in a standing wave form), the denser the superstring (more of it in by volume) the heavier the mass, the more gravity because the gravity remains at a one to one ratio with the superstring so more mass in less volume equates to more gravitational saturation from that peripheral contacting other brane verse were that gravity originates (it is the weakest force usually millions of times weaker than electrostatic attraction EXCEPT in dense gravity wells), oddly TIME seems to be displaced by this, so closer you get to a gravity well the greater the gravitation the slower time moves.
Now think about this, each particle of matter has gravity, between all of them there are LaGrange point's, at the heart of a snow ball, a star or a supergiant there must be a point surrounded by the mass at which gravity PULLS Outward in all directions, following I hope.
When that massive supergiant - a really really big star bigger than old betelgeuse collapses inward and becomes a black hole - or even a brown hole but for this we are going to remain with the REAL thing not the fake one - that tiny point becomes isolated, pulled on perhaps even greater than the force the black hole pulls on it's surrounding universe, it form's an event horizon around it just like the one outside the black hole and yet the force pulling may exceed e and if it does then the material the three dimensional universe is made from may very well invert, a white hole is formed this in turn spews out TIME and energy as well as raw new or recycled superstring material into this tiny point that is actually now HUGE and a new time space continuum is born.
But it gets weirder, think about how at the big bang - if it actually happened - the universe expanded faster than the speed of light (or filled that tiny point at the heart of a black hole that pulled the white hole we call the big bang into being), that may be enough to create another black hole around the white hole - perhaps a relatively small one BUT the white hole has not vanished it is just continuing to spew out time and space in an onion skin affect of black holes on and on and on.
Of course the entire mess is spinning so the distribution of energy, time and the material that forms empty space and matter is not perfectly distributed.
But overall crazy, improbable and almost definitely wrong but if you want to look into a fellow crazed mind and see how it rationalized a possible answer, but still I actually believe in God by the way, that moon is no accident, the ratio's the balance and perfect signature is of intelligent design.
But as the candle of our earthly existence is so weak, so rapidly consumed and our lives so short, we can only create an echo of the universe in our minds and due to the circular logic of our thought process, the limited tools that our individual knowledge which our mind uses to construct models and as tool's to shape them to fit our idea of reality it is a sure bet that even the best idea is a very far cry from the unseen and unknowable reality of what is actually REAL.
Also do not draw that analogy about the incarnation of God.
A woman's body does not look like a face though if it did Hitler had a really, really ugly one.
By the way ever flown outside your body, ever flown (in my case against my will) into the crown of someone else head, most disconcerting when you feel there body no matter how different it is from your own as if it was yours, you don't get control as everyone has there own soul quantum nano tubules aside it is not an interface though it can act as such, you don't read there mind and though you experience there emotions and mental state you don't get there thoughts as every soul is unique.
I thanked God when I broke free but that only happened when she experienced awful trauma (not at my hands though it made me take her over and push him away with more strength than she alone would have had), anyway another subject but believe me I have seen madness, real madness don't play with it.
N.B.
That is why they had to invent DM (get out of jail card so they could keep there theorems) to explain a seeming acceleration in the red shift indicating the universe was expanding at an increasing velocity - unless that has been debunked - its' not dark matter and energy it is falling outward toward the distant event horizon outside of which the surrounding black hole is still tugging on it, eventually it will undergo entropy and all the mass will be unravelled though spaghettification at the event horizon, time and energy will calm and the event horizon will vanish as quantum evaporation claims both the new Time space continuum and the one outside the black hole allowing them to merge back into one another, but as the closer you get to that white hole time is faster each child time space continuum has more compressed time, that balances out at the end but think in a limited time, just a second a virtual or even perhaps actual infinite amount of time has existed, better than N-Dimensional eh?.
edit on 17-2-2021 by LABTECH767 because: (no reason given)
a reply to: Sheshbazzar
Perhaps the stars and constellations are shy, and spend the daytime hiding on the other side of the roundish, flatish, sphericalish world ?
Why not ask the 'dark-matter' what's up with that ?
Perhaps the stars and constellations are shy, and spend the daytime hiding on the other side of the roundish, flatish, sphericalish world ?
Why not ask the 'dark-matter' what's up with that ?
so what is there instead?
if there is really some giant television in the sky [or poetically significant substitution for such] then what is outside that?
if there is really some giant television in the sky [or poetically significant substitution for such] then what is outside that?
originally posted by: Sheshbazzar
1) From Earth I see no light emitters other than the Sun in daylight. From outer space Earth isn't a Neptune like, opaque blue ball, but reveals clouds, continents, seas, rivers: Is Rayleigh that selective?
You can see the brighter objects (eg Venus) if you know where to look. The problem is not that they aren't there but the brightness of the sun's light scattered by the atmosphere makes them hard to see. Look forcstars in the vicinity of a bright full moon - you won't see many, if any. Rayleigh scattering doesn't prevent you from seeing clouds and oceans on Earth, why would it prevent you seeing them from space?
2) The constellations, NASA's "retropredictions" notwithstanding, have held their shapes unchanged for millennia (cf. the old books, Ptolemy and others.)
Not true. Stars changing position has been noted for centuries by comoaring their locations in historic documents. Barnard's star has been photographed in changed positions in a matter of decades and the current pole star has not always been so. The crab nebula was created from a supernova observed several centuries ago. The stars above us change, they just take a lot longer than you have the patience for.
a reply to: Spacespider
Not entirely true. Some people like myself are cursed with forms of visual snow which is accompanied by closed eye visuals. There is no medical explanation however I can assure you it is excited by EM fields.
Not entirely true. Some people like myself are cursed with forms of visual snow which is accompanied by closed eye visuals. There is no medical explanation however I can assure you it is excited by EM fields.
a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo
Sheshbazzar Is just another example of a poster using falsehoods to create a fantasy mythology. (A polite way of saying a lie built from lies).
Sheshbazzar Is just another example of a poster using falsehoods to create a fantasy mythology. (A polite way of saying a lie built from lies).
a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo
The North Star changes because of the Earth's precession, so tell us Astronomers, not because it itself moves.
Rayleigh should also scatter reflected light in the Earth's atmosphere, and we shouldn't be seeing what NASA shows us, but rather a Neptune like, opaque blue ball.
The North Star changes because of the Earth's precession, so tell us Astronomers, not because it itself moves.
Rayleigh should also scatter reflected light in the Earth's atmosphere, and we shouldn't be seeing what NASA shows us, but rather a Neptune like, opaque blue ball.
originally posted by: Sheshbazzar
a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo
The North Star changes because of the Earth's precession, so tell us Astronomers, not because it itself moves.
Rayleigh should also scatter reflected light in the Earth's atmosphere, and we shouldn't be seeing what NASA shows us, but rather a Neptune like, opaque blue ball.
Or still doesn’t change the fact the Doppler or Red light shift does occur.
Redshift and blueshift describe how light shifts toward shorter or longer wavelengths as objects in space (such as stars or galaxies) move closer or farther away from us. The concept is key to charting the universe's expansion.
www.space.com...
Vs
Rayleigh scattering (/ˈreɪli/ RAY-lee), named after the nineteenth-century British physicist Lord Rayleigh (John William Strutt),[1] is the predominantly elastic scattering of light or other electromagnetic radiation by particles much smaller than the wavelength of the radiation. For light frequencies well below the resonance frequency of the scattering particle (normal dispersion regime), the amount of scattering is inversely proportional to the fourth power of the wavelength.
Funny. The sky looks blue, but direct observation of the sun is yellowish....
a reply to: neutronflux
Jupiter is yellowish, is beyond Ceres.
Jupiter is yellowish, is beyond Ceres.
edit on 18-2-2021 by Sheshbazzar because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: Sheshbazzar
a reply to: neutronflux
Jupiter is yellowish, Mars red when observed with the naked eye from Earth, both are beyond Ceres.
What are you babbling about?
Exactly where do comets come from. How do the travel about the solar system? Where do meteorites come from? How do they make it to earth.
Where does the background radiation of space come from?
a reply to: neutronflux
Mars isn't beyond Ceres, Jupiter is, sorry.
I don't believe in outer space, I don't believe what Astrophysicists profess. A TV or microwave oven irradiate, too.
Mars isn't beyond Ceres, Jupiter is, sorry.
I don't believe in outer space, I don't believe what Astrophysicists profess. A TV or microwave oven irradiate, too.
edit on 18-2-2021 by
Sheshbazzar because: (no reason given)
a reply to: Sheshbazzar
There are more than “normal stars” in the universe...
There are neutron stars, pulsars, and magnetars....
There are more than “normal stars” in the universe...
There are neutron stars, pulsars, and magnetars....
originally posted by: Sheshbazzar
a reply to: neutronflux
Mars isn't beyond Ceres, Jupiter is, sorry.
I don't believe in outer space.
Ok, the universe is out there populated with galaxies.
originally posted by: Sheshbazzar
a reply to: neutronflux
In your dreams.
I have viewed the Andromeda Galaxy with my own telescope. If it was not a galaxy, what is it?
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