501 cases where Vaccine targets COVID-19 and Patient Died.

a reply to: In4ormant

Depends on the people who receive the shot and the state they are in.

Quite a few old souls canny survive the flu and a 40-60% chance is better than nothing.

Giving flu vaccine to people with heart disease for example is as important as giving them Statin.

a reply to: andy06shake

Good point. As I near the closer side of 50 it might be a requirement for me one day. Hopefully they get it nearer the 75% mark by then.

originally posted by: uncommitted
Baaahhhh ... Baaahhhh ... Baaahhhh ... Baaahhhh ...

Wut?

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: uncommitted
Baaahhhh ... Baaahhhh ... Baaahhhh ... Baaahhhh ...

Wut?

And is there a reason you edited my response? Do you feel very clever now?

Clearly unlike others I need my posts to be edited to look stupid.

The sheep are the anti vaxers using clickbait

a reply to: uncommitted

Who is anti-vaxer?

Here is just one example I find very troubling, died 6 hours after the vaccination healthy 43 old woman, no explanation for death. No preexisting conditions.

43 Old Woman Dies

Taking this vaccine is like rolling the dice on your life, you might be fine, but you might have a severe reaction as well.
This is not fear mongering, it is the truth.

Et cognoscetis veritatem, et veritas liberabit vos

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
As usual (per COVID-protocol on this very website, ATS): You can die "while" having something, and you can die "of" something.

Those people died "while" being vaccinated, they did not "die of the vaccine".

Difficult, I know. But nowhere is stated otherwise.

This is simply not true. It's merely semantics to say they 'died while having the vaccine'. In fact if you are a healthy 70 year old and you die 25 min after getting an untested and highly questionable jab of a very predictable heart attack or anaphylactic shock, I'll call that dying OF the jab.

People, this isn't a vaccine, it is merely called that because of the no-liability clause which protects the pharmaceutical industry from having to pay out when things go wrong. It's a novel gene therapy, never used before in the history of mankind. Working directly inside your cells where the DNA is stored too in the shape of mRNA strands. They used this because they can't isolate a decent piece of this virus, so they designed a sequence they believe would mimic this virus best.
Emphasis on designed and believe.

A vaccine makes you immune and stops the spread in society. This doesn't. Instead your immune system never gains the upper hand as it does after an old school vaccine, it keeps on churning out the enemy, day in, day out.
Take on top of this the fact that the more of it you take, the more likely it will become that you end up with a cytokene storm and die of anaphylactic shock if you ever 'encounter' a 'wild' version of a similar virus [as detailed in scientific papers observing this in animal tests without doubt].
This is an injected auto immune disease. It's a gift that keeps on giving...a chance to die at any later date.
Read up on pathological priming at this point. It should give you the heebie jeebies.

Would you inject something that could make you allergic against peanuts so much you MAY die at any point if you ever touch one?
Well this is doing exactly that, only it's not peanuts, but corona viruses [of which there are 36 we know of and which are mostly not so bad that you need to reset life on Earth as it is happening now because we lived with them for thousands of years].
However it gives none of the protection an old school vaccine gives. You can still transmit, receive and die of a corona virus [even more so after the jab].
It's in your cells to stay forever and they want to give you more, different ones, all together, untested! Wohoo.
Let alone all other side effects, from bells palsy to nerve damage, heart problems etc.

As I said, it ain't a vaccine as in the meaning of it. Even if all people had the jab, nothing will change in regards of lockdowns, social distancing or masks.

So is it worth having?
Considering all the danger, but none of the protection? Yeah, it MAY make the already mild symptoms milder. That's ricj considering most people had to have a highly unrealiable PCR test to even know they were ill.
Why do we need to take this at all if it's useless? Ask yourself.

Oh and there are quite a few relatively harmless drugs to fight the pneumonia that kills the Nanas. Better at protection and better at curing.
Cheaper and safer. But those are vilified. Again why?
Wouldn't human kind snatch up any hopeful cure before releasing an untested injection?

Questions, questions and no answers.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
Here is just one example I find very troubling, died 6 hours after the vaccination healthy 43 old woman, no explanation for death. No preexisting conditions.

43 Old Woman Dies

Taking this vaccine is like rolling the dice on your life, you might be fine, but you might have a severe reaction as well.
This is not fear mongering, it is the truth.

Et cognoscetis veritatem, et veritas liberabit vos

May be worth looking at this site for some information.....

fullfact.org...

originally posted by: In4ormant
a reply to: uncommitted

Who is anti-vaxer?

anti-vaxer, anti-vaxxer are both terms I've heard used interchangeably around people who are strongly against any kind of vaccination and are liable to be fast to use clickbait articles or refer to information that has since been debunked to prove their point.

Was it the spelling you had an issue with?

originally posted by: uncommitted
Clearly unlike others I need my posts to be edited to look stupid.

My post had nothing to do with scaremongering. I pointed to history and you had nothing of value to come back with except an allegation that I'm pushing out fear-porn.

Please ... help us all understand what an mRNA treatment is? What the variants are? Why there are variants? What the testing protocols have uncovered. What the Scientists won't disclose to the public? And, while we're on the subject of science, why don't you take the time to explain the lab protocols that were followed and what the test conclusions were (since we both probably know the testing trials were set aside ... because of the declared National Emergency).

And more importantly ... why some people are dying when they get poked?

The vaccination (not vaccination) isn't a cure. It doesn't protect you from infection. Those two preceding statements are all anyone really needs to know.

a reply to: uncommitted

It's a question if you see a pattern emerge, and we do.

Do you remember the commercial prescription drug commercials that used to play?
(maybe they still do, I stopped watching TV)

Anyway they would give one condition it might solve, but then legally they had to state all the side effect that might happen, and they were long and very unpleasant some were very serious side effects including liver damage/destruction leading to death. This actually happened to a 19 year girl I knew, she died on a doctors prescription, it was a fact that it caused her death. 3% of the population it caused liver damage but it was deemed safe as the doctor could pull you off fast enough, but if you didn't go back to the doctor within 72hrs you were too far gone that stopping could make a difference.

Synthetic drugs can and do kill people or hurt them; Thalidomide is a prime example the reward is just worth the risk.

What everybody has to ask themselves about this particular vaccination is the risk worth the reward ?
Just like any other prescription you might take for a serious problem.
But in many of our cases we don't have any issues we aren't sick, we are healthy, the serious problem has been thrust upon us by our governments and people that believe every word they say, to cause peer pressure on healthy critical thinkers.

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
As usual (per COVID-protocol on this very website, ATS): You can die "while" having something, and you can die "of" something.

Those people died "while" being vaccinated, they did not "die of the vaccine".

Difficult, I know. But nowhere is stated otherwise.

Unfortunately, a lot of people on here don't want to hear that message, it spoils their narrative.

Nobody other than democrats give a damn about a narrative. Just don't force people to take a vaccine and there won't be any pushback.

a reply to: uncommitted

I interpreted that as a slight against the posters. If not I apologize.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33
Thankyou for the thread. The media is trying very hard to suppress any negative info related to the vaccines.

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: uncommitted
Clearly unlike others I need my posts to be edited to look stupid.

My post had nothing to do with scaremongering. I pointed to history and you had nothing of value to come back with except an allegation that I'm pushing out fear-porn.

Please ... help us all understand what an mRNA treatment is? What the variants are? Why there are variants? What the testing protocols have uncovered. What the Scientists won't disclose to the public? And, while we're on the subject of science, why don't you take the time to explain the lab protocols that were followed and what the test conclusions were (since we both probably know the testing trials were set aside ... because of the declared National Emergency).

And more importantly ... why some people are dying when they get poked?

The vaccination (not vaccination) isn't a cure. It doesn't protect you from infection. Those two preceding statements are all anyone really needs to know.

I'm as much an expert as you are, so comparisons with thalidomide actually do nothing but scaremonger without anything to say such a comparison is reasonable.

Why are some people dying when they get poked? You assume it's causal when there is no data to suggest that. As currently the rollout fairly much globally has been to the oldest and the most vulnerable it's reasonable to at least assume other factors had played a part, which has been the case with many (see the link I posted in response to Blue_jay33.

Your last statement though is incorrect if you look at the results of the test samples where your risk of infection is far reduced and your risk of suffering serious complications if you should get infected are also far reduced. Taken from that perspective it's akin to the flu vaccine, although it's rare for the majority of people that suffering influenza will result in a level of complications that are life compromising.

originally posted by: In4ormant
a reply to: uncommitted

I interpreted that as a slight against the posters. If not I apologize.

That's quite alright, it wasn't a slight against a particular individual.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
As usual (per COVID-protocol on this very website, ATS): You can die "while" having something, and you can die "of" something.

Those people died "while" being vaccinated, they did not "die of the vaccine".

Difficult, I know. But nowhere is stated otherwise.

Unfortunately, a lot of people on here don't want to hear that message, it spoils their narrative.

Nobody other than democrats give a damn about a narrative. Just don't force people to take a vaccine and there won't be any pushback.

It's weird isn't it. I've yet to see a virus giving a sh!t how people vote but some people always stoop to that level.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

I can only point to the fact that the vaers database you posted a link to simply allows people to add an entry someone has received a vaccine, and that the person involved is now dead. It's done so since the 1990's. In its defence, it doesn't intend to show or even imply that one is as the result of the other, but that is how many people are interpreting it.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
As usual (per COVID-protocol on this very website, ATS): You can die "while" having something, and you can die "of" something.

Those people died "while" being vaccinated, they did not "die of the vaccine".

Difficult, I know. But nowhere is stated otherwise.

Unfortunately, a lot of people on here don't want to hear that message, it spoils their narrative.

Just don't force people to take a vaccine and there won't be any pushback.

Define "force". No Vaccine = No Flight to Hawaii. Is that force?

a reply to: Blue_Jay33
Not sure what to make of this. Only quickly looked at the first page but most of these people were just about dead before they got the vaccine. I'm not saying vaccine is safe or not but I would question why anyone would be given any vaccine when they're this close to death to start with.