Social Cultural Equality and the US Constitution

I've been checking out websites like DSA and CPUSA to see what the game plan is and to get a taste of their propaganda. The PR and advertising approaches are pretty slick and after reading some of the material, the universal theme is equality across the board, more or less. Some of the rhetoric had me taking a walk down Haight and Ashbury Lanes and I rather fondly recalled the Hippy idealism of the era.

But as nice as all this across the board equality and power to the people ideology is and how much the movement has accomplished since the post WWII era, my groovy trip down memory lane felt wrong.

I began to examine why and obviously it is because of how the communist influenced progressive left are destroying free speech and basically out on a witch hunt for anybody or anything conservative. How can these organizations call for equality and then take the kind of actions they are taking against their fellow citizens?

I finally came to the conclusion that true equality was always there in the form of our US constitution and the bill of rights. That piece of paper is the equalizer, it gives everyone an equal chance to succeed, do OK or fail. The freedom it secures is the same for everyone making us all equals on the most fundamental levels.

It seems apparent that these type of organizations are not motivated by the intentions they claim to represent. Attacking the constitution and our basic rights as US citizens make their actions speak loudly and their hypocrisy evident.

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

They dont want equality they want equity.

Joe Biden's Use of 'Equity' Over 'Equality' Opens New Front in Culture War

a reply to: Lysergic

Yeah I heard that, but the wording was different on their websites and their word use was correct according to Webster.

ETA: Here is the distinction made on your linked website . . .

While equality means that everyone gets the same resources from government, regardless of their circumstances, equity seeks to address systemic and historical imbalances within society by distributing resources depending on individual need.

Vice President Kamala Harris explained the issue in a speech given two days before the election: "Equality suggests, 'Oh, everyone should get the same amount.' The problem with that, not everybody's starting out from the same place."

I can see the flaw here in both ideas. As of this moment, we are equally free to pursue our interests and to succeed or fail. However, no one has the right to be equally successful in any amount, you have to earn it but you at least have the opportunity to try under the constitution.

All animals are created equal but some animals are more equal than others.

a reply to: Lysergic

I think equity in this instance means socialism for Democrats as they seem to align more within those lines, lets see how that works with the working class or whatever working class we got left.

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Their attacking the first and second amendment. When they sucede it's all over.

The problem no one seems to see if that there will always be inequality till each person willingly decides to remove their biases and prejudices from their hearts and minds. Words on paper, whether they be the constitution or laws can only set up the stage so it is more likely that people are willing to do this.
Of course, burning down your neighborhood, telling people of a different skin to go back from whence they came does absolutely nothing to instill that willingness either.

a reply to: wdkirk
Depends on what your standard of equal is?
The honey bee is just a small little creature that can be easily killed. But, we can't survive without it.
So, where do you place the lowly honeybee on your scale of equality?

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: wdkirk
Depends on what your standard of equal is?
The honey bee is just a small little creature that can be easily killed. But, we can't survive without it.
So, where do you place the lowly honeybee on your scale of equality?

He was referencing the book, "Animal Farm", not animal rights!

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
a reply to: Lysergic
"While equality means that everyone gets the same resources from government, regardless of their circumstances, equity seeks to address systemic and historical imbalances within society by distributing resources depending on individual need.

Vice President Kamala Harris explained the issue in a speech given two days before the election: "Equality suggests, 'Oh, everyone should get the same amount.' The problem with that, not everybody's starting out from the same place."

You know, if it turns out there is no ADS (Anti-Deep-State), and the plan was just to larp everyone down the road until the DS finished their take-over, I think I'm just going to quit my job, sell everything I own and put it into a Trust, go on welfare, and milk the system for everything I can.

I'm just so sick of this sh!t.

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck
Umm. I was addressing the concept of equality.
Which is the greater, the flute player, the violinist, or the conductor? Can the orchestra sound the same without any of them? And, what happens if they all decide that they no longer want to play the instrument they are so proficient at and we end up with flutist being conductors, violinists playing flutes, and conductors opting to be drummers before their big performance? If we treat one lesser than another, aren't we encouraging just that?
I am not saying that all occupations should be paid the same amount but I do question the standard we use to judge who is more deserving than whom, especially when it seems that it is those we most rely on that is deemed the less deserving and deciding they shouldn't even be paid enough to afford to survive.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck
Umm. I was addressing the concept of equality.
Which is the greater, the flute player, the violinist, or the conductor? Can the orchestra sound the same without any of them? And, what happens if they all decide that they no longer want to play the instrument they are so proficient at and we end up with flutist being conductors, violinists playing flutes, and conductors opting to be drummers before their big performance? If we treat one lesser than another, aren't we encouraging just that?
I am not saying that all occupations should be paid the same amount but I do question the standard we use to judge who is more deserving than whom, especially when it seems that it is those we most rely on that is deemed the less deserving and deciding they shouldn't even be paid enough to afford to survive.

I like the analogy and was a band geek in HS (jazz band, not concert or marching). As true as it may be, that there is intrinsic value for every occupation and the system would get jacked up pretty good if people like waste management workers stopped picking up trash, value judgements shouldn't have bearing on equality, although they often do.

I had a job with a big international company a mere 12 miles away. Long hours good pay and they liked me a lot and almost begged me to get fully hired in, which I did. But eventually for a variety of reasons I took up a janitorial position with the local school system in my county. The pay was half and I rarely got over time, but I enjoyed the service to the schools, their staff, the kids and my community. I firmly believe that a spotless bathroom is a great achievement in community service, plus the acoustics are great.

a reply to: dawnstar

There will always be inequality when you have one group who wants to smoke weed, lay in be and play videos games and a second group gets up at 6 am and works hard for 8-10 hours, but both want the same "pay" for the day.

Please read the book "The Giver" by Lois Lowry, most places charge $5.99 for it, you can get it on Amazon for kindle, there is also an audio book version you can listen .

The book "The Giver" accurately describes a society where everyone has the exact same thing. All is equal.

Equitable as in Harris style, means the rich stay rich, the elite political class live like kings, while the rest of us live equally lower middle class lifestyles. That is how communism in practice has always actually worked and how socialism in practice has always worked, and both will always continue to work as the political class doesn't feel they should have to live the same lifestyle as the peons and masses.

Anyway, back to the book, don't watch the movie, it is not as indepth in describing the utopia you long for.

Lots of liberal Hollywood types starred in the movie and so you know liberals thought it is a terrific book and guideline for the future. But still the book goes into the type of depth about how a truly equal society works and you will find it fascinating.

The book was written for middle school children and is a fast read. I highly recommend you read it to see what you are advocating for.

a reply to: panoz77

Regardless of the lifestyle adopted by today's youth, they will likely be liberal, idealistic and easily influenced by communist propaganda (esp. if they attend a college). They have always been a prime target.

a reply to: panoz77

Ummm... you need to talk to someone else about that one. What you are describing just doesn't fit well in my reality..
Really, don't ...

a reply to: The2Billies

Sorry comrade, I'm not looking to covert just yet. I'm not advocating the kind of equality you are talking about, I just had a moment of nostalgia that's all.

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck
How old are you, if you don't mind me asking?
Because my answer would be weren't we all liberal, idealistic, and easily conned by propaganda at that age?
Life has a tendency to knock most of that crap out of us.

a reply to: dawnstar

Totally agree, I have met and worked with a lot of young people in the local park system during the summer. Most were moderate and conservative, and few were heading toward extreme conservatism. Most people around here are conservative bible belt types though.

Based on my personal life, I was anti-establishment and very liberal until the college experience forced me to choose sides. When I graduated I moved to my swamp in the National Forests of West Michigan, been here about 25 years now.

They keep "crushing" inequality by continuing to place people and groups into categories 😃

Works every "single" time 😃