Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Boadicea

What irregularities?

I'll address the ones you bring up.

The vote dump claim is hogwash. This was a direct result of mail-in ballots being counted last in those states, which heavily favored Biden.

So we've been told. But that does not address the reported video evidence of folks dumping backpacks full of ballots into a succession of dropboxes on multiple midnight runs. Georgia law does require video surveillance of these drop boxes, so we know video exists, we just do not know if it shows that it is reported to show. You don't know. I don't know. Only those who have seen the videos know for sure.

If you want to call that evidence, then you have to say Florida was rigged too. Florida counted mail-in ballots first which gave Biden a huge a lead early on, then Trump 'jumped' way ahead.

Okay. But no one has claimed that there is video surveillance of midnight drop box dumps in Florida. So it's a moot point.

There are countless other irregularities that you claim as evidence in states Trump won but you ignore those.

I literally could not find and identify and post each and every irregularity in each and every county even if I tried! But if you would like to discuss these other irregularities that you think I'm ignoring, then please post and we'll discuss.

You have no problem with extended mail-in ballots, extra drop-off locations, extended hours in states Trump won in states Trump won, yet in states he lost you want to call those changes illegal and therefore invalidates the vote.

Actually, I have supported the many calls for audits in all 50 states many times. I would very much like to see each and every state now and in the future carefully monitor election processes and practices, know where there are issues and potential problems, and address the weaknesses and flaws on an ongoing basis.

The affidavits are complete BS, just read through a handful of them and it should be obvious to a reasonable person that they offer no actual evidence. Testimony from a lay person is notoriously unrealiable besides.

There were plenty of affidavits I read that I considered less than convincing or definitive, but there were also plenty that I considered very convincing and definitive, and worthy of further investigation. The affiants were not all lay people, but even among the lay people, there was relevant and troubling testimony given.

The big red flag here is the pro_Trump only focus on states where Trump loss and ignore the same 'evidence' that happened in states Trump won.

I won't speak to the pro-Trump position or perspective. But there are plenty of folks demanding/advocating for audits in all counties in all states. I believe one such effort is called #50Audit or Audit#50 -- something like that.

While you are trying to investigate this thoroughly, you have to step back and look at this objectively and unbiased. Instead of following the evidence to reach a conclusion, you have a conclusion and looking for evidence to support your conclusion.

When election laws are openly violated and defied, that's a problem. No doubt... no question... no ifs, ands or buts. That's a problem. Elected officials should ALWAYS be under scrutiny, but when we already know that election officials are blatantly and brazenly violating and defying the law, we have no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt in other questionable and/or suspicious behaviors. But we have every reason to examine, investigate and otherwise follow up on such questionable and/or suspicious behaviors.

Conducting the proper due diligence -- including a forensic audit -- is how we determine the extent of the bad behavior.

We already know that laws were and are being violated. It's not a matter of if, only a matter of how much.

originally posted by: xuenchen
This is the fear of all Constitutional FEARS . . . . . . 😵‍💫

Nationwide panik 😉

List of annulled elections

Wow. That's quite a list. I didn't expect it to be so long.

Interesting too that a few were followed by revolutions.

I've been reading everything I can find regarding the most recently released audit-related messages from the AZ Senate, mostly from critic's of the audit, including American Oversight -- the organization which sued for and received them. It's been interesting to say the least. Both the conversations released, and the spin put on it. I had hoped to write something up about it tomorrow, but that's not going to happen now. I'm going to leave you with a couple links though for anyone who wants to read up on it yourself.

Arizona Senate Releases ‘Audit’ Records Following Court Order

New Details from Arizona Senate’s ‘Audit’-Related Records

You may also want to read up a little on this organization, American Oversight --

American Oversight (AO)

I also wanted to let you all know you'll have to hold down the fort for me -- please! -- for the next few days. I've promised my husband he can have me all to himself tonight and tomorrow. It's been tough the last couple days and he deserves it. I'm having surgery Tuesday, hopefully minor, but won't really know until the deed is done. Our (adult) daughter was taken to Emergency and admitted to the hospital Friday night. No visitors allowed, we hadn't heard anything from her until this afternoon. That was sure a big relief!!! Although she may need surgery as well, which wasn't such a relief. Between the two of us, my husband's got a lot on his plate. If he wants quality time, then he gets quality time!!!

I've got a gazillion tabs to close out, and if I find anything else worth posting, I will. After that, I guess I'll see you on the flip side...

One more... a little encouragement and inspiration from Sen Wendy Rogers:

The audit is coming guys, I promise you. I get a lot of comments asking and people think I can speed it up but I can't speed it up. It is a process and it is coming. Also - other information is coming out I can't disclose. Just know that it is all going to happen and this is real. Keep the faith. Make sure YOUR state is doing an audit because when our audit comes out the next steps are to get this done in other states. Start pushing that now. - Wendy

I'd rather have the report of course... but I can't have what I want.

So, my friends, keep fighting the good fight, stay the course, and keep your faith till the end.

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Boadicea

Boadicea, if Cyber-Ninja people contracted Covid-19, which made them unable to finish the forensic audit report, how did the Arizona Senate receive the report almost 2 weeks ago?

This is a very good question, which has not been directly or adequately addressed (at least to my knowledge).

Jovan Pulitzer stated that the different audit teams were putting their reports together separately, and the separate reports would be given to the Senate. It could be that the Senate has not received all the separate audit reports. It could be that the audit team(s) of the Corona patients were able to finish their report(s) without the sick members. It could be that their report(s) were completed before the virus got to them, and the Senate is now waiting for them to be well enough to explain their findings and answer questions.

This is the kind of thing that a dedicated audit website could be very helpful in keeping the public informed of what is going on with OUR audit. I hope other states/counties that conduct audits learn from AZ's mistakes and do better.

Now I understand why there's so much still "up in the air" from our perspective. Like you said, there's no public-facing website keeping us updated on where things stand process-wise.

Thanks a million for taking time out of your holiday break to respond!

a reply to: xuenchen

Re, your link: en.wikipedia.org...

Thank-you. That was very educational!

It's good to see that "Mass Protests" have caused elections to be annulled/reversed in some countries.

That's the best route for America, once the truth of PA-WI-MI-AZ-GA-NV is revealed!

The Myanmar-style annulment would be more fun to witness and participate in, but we'll try peaceful protesting first.

Peoples thoughts, maybe start about 55 mins mark rumble.com...



a reply to: carewemust

originally posted by: Boadicea
I guess I'll see you on the flip side...

Good luck and I hope everything turns out all right with your family woes. Keep the faith!

originally posted by: 13Kiwi20qYes
Peoples thoughts, maybe start about 55 mins mark rumble.com...



a reply to: carewemust

This guy is not very intelligent, and seems to have a hard time admitting when he is wrong.
He thinks the Arizona audit is taking so long because all the other blue states have been secretly conducting audits. I stopped watching after he said that.

Thanks for looking.

originally posted by: IndieA

originally posted by: 13Kiwi20qYes
Peoples thoughts, maybe start about 55 mins mark rumble.com...



a reply to: carewemust

This guy is not very intelligent, and seems to have a hard time admitting when he is wrong.
He thinks the Arizona audit is taking so long because all the other blue states have been secretly conducting audits. I stopped watching after he said that.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Boadicea

What irregularities?

The vote dump claim is hogwash. This was a direct result of mail-in ballots being counted last in those states, which heavily favored Biden.

If you want to call that evidence, then you have to say Florida was rigged too. Florida counted mail-in ballots first which gave Biden a huge a lead early on, then Trump 'jumped' way ahead.

It's true that mail in votes would likely favor Biden, and this was the narrative put forward prior to the election day itself.

But by how much?

If you want to fraud an election, you would do it by adding votes in places people expect to see them. Your candidate would only win counties their party has won in the past, but would win them by larger margins than normal. In the end, the total votes in the whole state decide the winner, so you make sure your candidate still loses the counties they would normally lose.

I don't really buy the claim that minority voters turned out in record numbers. Their voter registrations certainly appeared on the rolls in record numbers. But Trump actually wasn't doing too bad with minority voters. Quite a lot of black, asian, and even hispanic voters favored him.

There are countless other irregularities that you claim as evidence in states Trump won but you ignore those.

You have no problem with extended mail-in ballots, extra drop-off locations, extended hours in states Trump won in states Trump won, yet in states he lost you want to call those changes illegal and therefore invalidates the vote.

The affidavits are complete BS, just read through a handful of them and it should be obvious to a reasonable person that they offer no actual evidence. Testimony from a lay person is notoriously unrealiable besides.

Trump is a show man.

The big red flag here is the pro_Trump only focus on states where Trump loss and ignore the same 'evidence' that happened in states Trump won.

I think they are assuming the other side will look into those.

But the states that are of interest are those which were considered to be "battle ground" states. Trump lost a staggering number of those.

I live in Oregon. Nobody is going to investigate Oregon, because with or without fraud, Trump would have less than a snowball's chance in hell of winning Oregon anyway.

While you are trying to investigate this thoroughly, you have to step back and look at this objectively and unbiased. Instead of following the evidence to reach a conclusion, you have a conclusion and looking for evidence to support your conclusion.

What would "unbiased" look like?

Does any human on the planet have that trait right now?

Maybe we should hire space aliens to do it for us?

Obviously those who feel victimized are always going to be the ones interested in investigating.


But.... I agree that some amount of evidence has to be enough to lay an issue to rest. I'm not sure how much it takes in this case.

But if no amount of evidence can ever be enough to convince the people who feel victimized that they were not victimized, then this would never end.

At the same time, some amount of evidence has to be enough to be considered to make the claim plausible for those who stand on the other side as well.

Nothing is seriously being investigated at all unless BOTH SIDES have a concession point, where they would yield ground.

This case is very telling, which I found in a link earlier in this thread, I think.

www.freep.com...

Antrim County in Michigan, I think.

In this case a heavily Republican county was accidentally reported as voting Democrat. Since the discrepancy was so glaringly obvious, it was caught and overturned.


The cause for the error was loading the wrong "election definition" file, which tells the machines which candidate should correspond with which mark on the page.

"Since the scanners ... used slightly different election definitions, some of the positions didn't line up properly," Halderman said. "As a result, when the results were read by the election management system, some of them were initially assigned to the wrong candidates."

The trouble is that people are using these machines that don't know how to use them. People that don't have enough expertise in computer science to understand the software they are applying.

So you can have a room full of 500 election workers, and one and only one of them decides to cheat the election, but that one person actually knows what they are doing.

They can pull the wool over the eyes of the other 499.

The system itself is irreparably vulnerable, unless you want to put education requirements on election administration. Then only a narrow range of the workforce can do the job, and it might not be possible to hire enough of them.

............ or just stop using machines that the workers don't know how to use.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

But if no amount of evidence can ever be enough to convince the people who feel victimized that they were not victimized, then this would never end.

You're exactly right! It's almost exlusively why threads like this exist.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
unless BOTH SIDES have a concession point, where they would yield ground.

Well, logically you have a truly valid point. But, how do you actually make this case? How do you convince a voter that they "have to take one for the team and just this once let their vote not count" ?

I can't see a way forward for people who wont agree that in the national interest, if the margin is wide enough, that even with a miniscule amount of fraud, the process should just move on and away from all this.

Big News on NBC today..

As the DA of Georgia’s Fulton County turns up the heat in her investigation into what could be a criminal attempt by Donald Trump to overturn the 2020 election, investigators in the Georgia case are coordinating with federal lawmakers probing the January 6th insurrection at the Capitol.

Source: www.msn.com...

Thank-you NBC/MSNBC! Whatever increases awareness that something was CRIMINAL about the 2020 election, is a positive thing.

originally posted by: carewemust
Big News on NBC today..

As the DA of Georgia’s Fulton County turns up the heat in her investigation into what could be a criminal attempt by Donald Trump to overturn the 2020 election, investigators in the Georgia case are coordinating with federal lawmakers probing the January 6th insurrection at the Capitol.

Source: www.msn.com...

Thank-you NBC/MSNBC! Whatever increases awareness that something was CRIMINAL about the 2020 election, is a positive thing.

WOW!! I am really surprised!


Not one word about Russia....
Amazing.

originally posted by: carewemust
Big News on NBC today..

As the DA of Georgia’s Fulton County turns up the heat in her investigation into what could be a criminal attempt by Donald Trump to overturn the 2020 election, investigators in the Georgia case are coordinating with federal lawmakers probing the January 6th insurrection at the Capitol.

Source: www.msn.com...

Thank-you NBC/MSNBC! Whatever increases awareness that something was CRIMINAL about the 2020 election, is a positive thing.

Did you read that before posting it?

The suspected criminal is ......Trump!

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Most people have forgotten those fake accusations against Trump were exposed as bulls#t a while back.

This is just another PR stunt at taxpayer expense.

The joke's on The Public as always 🤣🤣🤣

[chucky laugh]

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Most people have forgotten those fake accusations against Trump were exposed as bulls#t a while back.

This is just another PR stunt at taxpayer expense.

The joke's on The Public as always 🤣🤣🤣

[chucky laugh]

The joke is on the poster who posted it!

Fake news? Ha! Ha!

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

The PR stunt is being perpetrated by that county government agency 😃

[chucky laugh]

Update out of Arizona:

www.thegatewaypundit.com...

Independent canvassing has been completed.

ELECTION 2020 GRASSROOTS CANVASS REPORT: 173,104 Lost Votes 96,389 Ghost Votes

Also, here are some highlights: Lost votes are those votes where people voted but their votes were discarded. Ghost votes are those votes cast by someone other than the voter assigned to the vote. Dead voters accounted for a significant number of these anomalies.

The full report is in the link.