Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

originally posted by: opethPA
a reply to: Boadicea


Hell yah and sorry I didn't link to the dedicated thread but the good thing is you got there and contributed to it.

I wasn't a fan of Trump, I am not a fan of Biden but I am even less of a fan of inaccurate data , ridiculous claims or people just making stuff up. This happens regardless of if you are a Liberal or Conservative. Hell many users on ATS are fast approaching Beforeitsnews.com or GLP levels in their willingness to accept anything as long as it confirms what they believe.

I can't disagree... but at the same time, it's also pretty damn sad that all of our sources for information are so damn pathetic for the same reasons. I'm old school -- sounds like you are as well -- and I remember a time when legitimate news sources would have been downright ashamed to engage in much of what is called "journalism" today. A time when it was all about the 5 W's and adjectives/adverbs were rare or absent altogether.

Regardless of if I agree or disagree with everything you post just about everything you say here shows thought, effort and investigation for whcih I say thank you! That level of effort is appreciated and frankly should be required here at this point 😎

Thank you -- both for the words of appreciation, and for taking the principled stance yourself! I wish to high Heaven that we had better sources and better information. We know enough to know that everything is not all right, but trying to nail down exactly what and where the problems are is like trying to nail down Jello!

When the AZ audit report is finally released, and I have a chance to read it and understand what has been found, what hasn't been found, and what still needs to be found, I intend to start at the beginning of this thread and follow up on every article posted between then and the report, and see who exactly was doing the principled reporting... and who wasn't. I don't know what all we can glean from it, but I guess I'll find out, eh?

The source article from TheGatewayPundit talks about their being video proof of ballots being dumped yet shows no proof to back that claim up in anyway. Sadly some posters only need to see the article title for it to become truth.

Well darn! I thought maybe you had something more to follow up and either back up their accusations or not. Wishful thinking on my part... but hope springs eternal, eh?

These days, I think the best we can do is give anyone claiming to have proof the chance to prove their claims. I don't want to hear accusations and then the cop out explanation that "everything has been turned over to law enforcement". No matter how good their intentions might be (and I'm not so sure about that), if it's worth revealing to the public at all, then it's worth revealing it all. Every last bit of it.

But this is what we've got. None of it is perfect or ideal. But I don't know what else to do except make the best and the most of it. Including the possibility/probability of ruling it out and knowing who is feeding the fires with tainted info. And that would include those who just want to "energize" their bases with hyperbole and fear mongering. What we know is bad enough. They can address that (if they really have any intention of doing so). Not just make up more and worse crap for panic-votes.

I really hate this dripfeeding... but it's all we've got for now:

Heather Mullins on Massive Dropbox Stuffing Scandal: They Have Data from GA, AZ, WI and Several Other States – Average Leftist Operative Hit 23 Ballot Dropboxes a Night (VIDEO)

Heather Mullins: “This is huge… I came across a document a few months back… They have basically been collecting a bunch of geospatial data … that’s basically cellphone pings …. and creating software that can filter through this data and help them piece together what they now believe is ballot trafficking… So they collected this data over the last few months and not just in Georgia, but Arizona, Wisconsin, and several other states. In addition to that data in Georgia specifically, they have the corresponding dropbox footage because under Georgia law they’re supposed to be under surveillance. So now what they’ve been trying to piece together is to find the footage that corresponds with timestamps of these people that were going from dropbox to dropbox to dropbox. And what I’ve been told on average they visited 23-24 drop boxes (a night). So in the state of Georgia, you’re not allowed to harvest ballots; it’s illegal, so this is a crime if the Georgia Bureau of Investigations will take it up.”

We still don't know how True The Vote has obtained the cell phone ping data. As far as I know, this can be obtained by law enforcement, but I can't find any way for the average Joe (or Jo) Six-Pack to get access to this data. Anyone have any idea?

On the plus side, it seems the surveillance video is from the drop boxes themselves as required by law. I'm assuming this was obtained via FOIA requests, but I'm not sure.

originally posted by: opethPA
a reply to: Boadicea
The source article from TheGatewayPundit talks about their being video proof of ballots being dumped yet shows no proof to back that claim up in anyway. Sadly some posters only need to see the article title for it to become truth.

I know exactly what you mean. There are multitudes of posters here on ATS and other sites saying there was no election fraud. They were not privy to any behind the scenes election activities, but yet they claim this was absolutely the most secure election of all time, parroting what the main stream media says. It's quite atrocious the amount of people these days who don't think for themselves.

originally posted by: Boadicea

We still don't know how True The Vote has obtained the cell phone ping data. As far as I know, this can be obtained by law enforcement, but I can't find any way for the average Joe (or Jo) Six-Pack to get access to this data. Anyone have any idea?

OPSEC and TrueTheVote could be licensed investigators.

If your phone is on and you have an app open in which you've allowed the sharing of location data, someone could capture your IP address and other phone data. This would be geofencing, I believe it's legal.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone geofenced ballot drop-off boxes.

other than that I dunno...

a reply to: TrulyColorBlind
Signed Paper ballots!

a reply to: imitator

OPSEC and TrueTheVote could be licensed investigators.

If your phone is on and you have an app open in which you've allowed the sharing of location data, someone could capture your IP address and other phone data. This would be geofencing, I believe it's legal.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone geofenced ballot drop-off boxes.

other than that I dunno...

Oh my goodness -- I had no idea! Thank you!!!

Geofencing makes sense. It may be that the bestest election fraud organization in the world did allow sharing of location data to keep tabs on everyone doing their dirty deeds, never thinking anyone else could/would figure it out.

D'oh! Another reason for True The Vote not releasing any incriminating information could very likely be to protect themselves from malicious prosecution and/or civil lawsuits!!!

Especially if the incriminating information and data was not acquired through strictly legal means.

Which could also explain why we aren't getting clear explanations of how the information was obtained.

I'm kicking myself for not realizing this earlier.

When the truth is made criminal, only criminals know the truth.

a reply to: Boadicea

Your definitely right, only criminals will know the truth.

I'm sure both parties have all the metadata, both are pretty crooked.

Investigators run into legal and illegal information all the time, weeding out the bad seeds for us peasants.

a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

What evidence makes you believe there was widespread fraud in the election?

I have yet to see anything convincing, most so called evidence presented here and elsewhere I classify as gish gallop or tin foil hat. To date I have yet to see anything that makes the case that Trump won the election.

A major problem is so many catchy headlines from say the Gateway Pundit and others that claim they have evidence or proof, when all they have is click bait, tin foil hat theories or gish gallop speculation.

If you have compelling evidence, please share it!

a reply to: imitator

Thank-you for the additional info. After the past 6 years of "Oh My God!" followed by NUTHING, I'm done getting excited about "revelations" that only make it out to 12% of the population, and then evaporate. I'll share what I find, but the excitement is no longer present.

BUT...if we get Law Enforcement, or a Judge with common-sense demanding answers and evidence, the potential for official punishments, and positive changes across the board, will be real and huge.

I'll be the first to exclaim..."Wow, this IS huge!".

(Fingers crossed we see that moment soon. Everything starts gearing up for Nov 2022 in 6 months or so.)

originally posted by: imitator
a reply to: Boadicea

Your definitely right, only criminals will know the truth.

I'm sure both parties have all the metadata, both are pretty crooked.

I wholeheartedly agree. Both left and right and whatever else there is, they ALL know. There are probably a few reasons why they continue to play the game -- both good and bad -- but no one is doing it for our benefit, only their own. Whether they stand to gain personally/politically, or because they stand to lose personally/politically.

Apparently none of them think a clear conscience is enough reason to be honest.

Investigators run into legal and illegal information all the time, weeding out the bad seeds for us peasants.

This is true. There are probably plenty of people who know something, that they came upon without searching it out or expecting to find it. Many are probably terrified for anyone to find out that they know anything.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

What evidence makes you believe there was widespread fraud in the election?

You already know. I know you know because I have listed several KNOWN illegalities, we've all listed many many KNOWN irregularities, all of which are widespread and all of which are evidence for fraud. You just keep qualifying and minimizing anything and everything questionable and suspicious and problematic.

I have yet to see anything convincing...

Your inability to be "convinced" says more about you than the facts of the election.

...most so called evidence presented here and elsewhere I classify as gish gallop or tin foil hat.

As you completely ignore the KNOWN illegalities, including the ongoing refusal of Maricopa County officials to comply with lawful court-affirmed subpoenas. That's not gish gallop -- it's fact and truth. That's not tin foil hat -- that's fact and truth.

To date I have yet to see anything that makes the case that Trump won the election.

Again, not true. You have seen plenty, but it has not yet been confirmed -- proven -- because of the efforts to prevent it being proven with the proper investigation, documentation, etc.

A major problem is so many catchy headlines from say the Gateway Pundit and others that claim they have evidence or proof, when all they have is click bait, tin foil hat theories or gish gallop speculation.

Nope, again not true. While there is plenty of speculation based upon known facts, there are also plenty of facts and truth to consider... hence the speculation. Just because you don't know something, just because the public at large does not know something, does not mean there is not more to know.

If you have compelling evidence, please share it!

On election night, the vote counters on major news media showed Trump losing votes. In other words, Trump had this many votes, and in the next moment Trump had less votes. There is no option for voters to take away a vote for Trump. There is no legal means by which to remove a vote for a candidate. But it happened. There is absolutely no legitimate and legal reason for that to happen. None. Trump's numbers should either remain the same, or increase. There should be no possibility for a decrease. None.

"Originally posted by: [post=26087397]jrod"
"A reply to: [post=26086406]TrulyColorBlind"
"What evidence makes you believe there was widespread fraud in the election?"

"Originally posted by: [post=26087473]Boadicea"

You already know. I know you know because I have listed several KNOWN illegalities, we've all listed many many KNOWN irregularities, all of which are widespread and all of which are evidence for fraud. You just keep qualifying and minimizing anything and everything questionable and suspicious and problematic.

Thank you for responding to him in this manner. I had already decided I wasn't going to waste my time trying to educate an imbecile. He's not worth the effort to me.

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

Thank you for responding to him in this manner. I had already decided I wasn't going to waste my time trying to educate an imbecile. He's not worth the effort to me.

No problem! It's my job to tend my thread, and when it's such a vague comment that addresses the overall topic, as opposed to a particular point made by a poster, I figure I need to respond as well.

And generally speaking -- i.e., not addressing any poster in particular, and not just here but across the 'net -- I'm very weary of those who are not debating or discussing in good faith, and who add nothing to the discussion. The evidence for our questions and suspicions has been well covered -- posted with quotes and links, commented upon, speculated upon, questioned, and dissected. For the greatest part we've all tried to be clear on what we know, what we have good reason to believe, what we cannot know, what we need to know.

Anyone who is well aware that laws have been repeatedly violated, quite brazenly and blatantly, and continue to violate the law, quite brazenly and blatantly, but refuses to address it -- much less denounce it -- and claims to not see any "proof" of "widespread" or "massive" fraud is being disingenuous, and not commenting in good faith.

That's not the only way the discussion/debate is being disrupted and distracted and deflected of course. And it's going to get worse before it gets better. I spent quite a bit of time on Karen Fann's Twitter and reading the comments on her posts, particularly where she's been responding to others on Twitter commenting on the audit in general and the recently released messages in particular. Quite often mischaracterizing or misrepresenting the facts, with half-truths and mis-truths and anything less than the whole truth. These aren't imbeciles though. They know exactly what they are doing and are doing it for their own purposes. Certainly not for the benefit of the people.

The election officials did not play by the rules. That's cheating. It is no longer a matter if IF, only HOW MUCH.

That's the purpose of the audit(s). We need the report. We need the whole truth -- or as much as they've got.

Let the sun shine!!!

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

What evidence makes you believe there was widespread fraud in the election?

I have yet to see anything convincing, most so called evidence presented here and elsewhere I classify as gish gallop or tin foil hat. To date I have yet to see anything that makes the case that Trump won the election.

A major problem is so many catchy headlines from say the Gateway Pundit and others that claim they have evidence or proof, when all they have is click bait, tin foil hat theories or gish gallop speculation.

If you have compelling evidence, please share it!

Two popular phrases have struck me as rather fey. ‘too cute by half’ and ‘gish gallop’. Yeeww.

a reply to: Boadicea

Boadicea, if Cyber-Ninja people contracted Covid-19, which made them unable to finish the forensic audit report, how did the Arizona Senate receive the report almost 2 weeks ago?

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Boadicea

Boadicea, if Cyber-Ninja people contracted Covid-19, which made them unable to finish the forensic audit report, how did the Arizona Senate receive the report almost 2 weeks ago?

This is a very good question, which has not been directly or adequately addressed (at least to my knowledge).

Jovan Pulitzer stated that the different audit teams were putting their reports together separately, and the separate reports would be given to the Senate. It could be that the Senate has not received all the separate audit reports. It could be that the audit team(s) of the Corona patients were able to finish their report(s) without the sick members. It could be that their report(s) were completed before the virus got to them, and the Senate is now waiting for them to be well enough to explain their findings and answer questions.

This is the kind of thing that a dedicated audit website could be very helpful in keeping the public informed of what is going on with OUR audit. I hope other states/counties that conduct audits learn from AZ's mistakes and do better.

a reply to: Boadicea

What irregularities?

The vote dump claim is hogwash. This was a direct result of mail-in ballots being counted last in those states, which heavily favored Biden.

If you want to call that evidence, then you have to say Florida was rigged too. Florida counted mail-in ballots first which gave Biden a huge a lead early on, then Trump 'jumped' way ahead.

There are countless other irregularities that you claim as evidence in states Trump won but you ignore those.

You have no problem with extended mail-in ballots, extra drop-off locations, extended hours in states Trump won in states Trump won, yet in states he lost you want to call those changes illegal and therefore invalidates the vote.

The affidavits are complete BS, just read through a handful of them and it should be obvious to a reasonable person that they offer no actual evidence. Testimony from a lay person is notoriously unrealiable besides.

The big red flag here is the pro_Trump only focus on states where Trump loss and ignore the same 'evidence' that happened in states Trump won.

While you are trying to investigate this thoroughly, you have to step back and look at this objectively and unbiased. Instead of following the evidence to reach a conclusion, you have a conclusion and looking for evidence to support your conclusion.

This is the fear of all Constitutional FEARS . . . . . . 😵‍💫

Nationwide panik 😉


List of annulled elections

a reply to: jrod

We need proof every mail ballot was signature matched and verified.

Many were not and the original envelopes were mixed and even discarded.

😃😃 all perfectly regular and acceptable 😃😃