Fascism IS a leftist ideology!

originally posted by: fencesitter85
Projection thread is projecting.

Maybe take a look at your screename. It maybe does not mean what you seem to think it means. I'm not sure you're sitting on any fence any longer.

a reply to: Veryolduser

Where your theories cross into anti-Semitic territory is where you maintain that the negative things are only and ever because those people are Jewish.

Do Jewish people hold positions of power? Are the capable of being bastards the same as anyone else? Sure. Is it because they're Jewish and hate us because we're not? At that point, I leave off. Are there some like that? Probably. But you know what? There are people like that in any group who will hate you for not being like them in one way or another.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: fencesitter85
Projection thread is projecting.

Maybe take a look at your screename. It maybe does not mean what you seem to think it means. I'm not sure you're sitting on any fence any longer.

Obviously lost his balance.

a reply to: Veryolduser

I gave you facts ... you brought revised history. And name calling. What more can I say from here?

Being ill informed isn't a bad thing, learn from it, find the truth.

Always has been, always will be.

Only people who can't or refuse to see it, are in denial of the historical facts.

There is a saying;
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: chr0naut

The sources and references in that wiki are not verifiable and are just loose and weak opinion propaganda.

The refs lead back to dead ends that can't even be read 😃😃

No doubt some of it is propaganda.

However, there are hundreds of references and sources in that article and there is also the historical fact that most of the world allied against, and defeated, ultra-right wing and Fascist aligned forces during the Second World War.

Even America was against them, despite it's late entry into the war.

a reply to: chr0naut

try tracking down and verifying those hundreds of sources 😃

a reply to: chr0naut
More importantly, the USSR fought against them as well.

You would think that if they were cut from the same cloth they would have been allies.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: chr0naut
More importantly, the USSR fought against them as well.

You would think that if they were cut from the same cloth they would have been allies.

But most of the rest of the world turned against Communism after the initial enemy, the far right, had been eliminated.

It would appear that the free world opposed extremists at both ends of the spectrum.

Neither the extreme right, nor the extreme left, will acknowledge the primacy of those centrists who defend just society from extremists.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: chr0naut

try tracking down and verifying those hundreds of sources 😃

Why?

I did pick a few random links from the bottom of the Wikipedia article. Every single one of them that I followed linked to a relevant article and was from a highly credentialed and undisputed source.

Please post the specific links from that article, that you think are representative of what you talking about.

a reply to: chr0naut
There were still right wing dictatorships popping up around the world after WWII, sometimes even backed by the "free world", Pinochet comes to mind.

My point was that if they actually had a common source for their ideology, as some here propose, it would have been easier, and maybe in the best interest of the USSR, to join them instead of aligning themselves with their "common" enemy.

Obviously, they did not share what others here think they did.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: chr0naut
There were still right wing dictatorships popping up around the world after WWII, sometimes even backed by the "free world", Pinochet comes to mind.

My point was that if they actually had a common source for their ideology, as some here propose, it would have been easier, and maybe in the best interest of the USSR, to join them instead of aligning themselves with their "common" enemy.

Obviously, they did not share what others here think they did.

I suppose that the enforcement and separation of ideological archetypes is what sorts people into these groups - the idea that if you are not one of "us" you must be one of "them" - a tribal identification that really has no actual purchase upon any ideology, but rather is all about group membership.

In reality, there are so many overlapping grey areas in human thought that express across societies and groupings that you could never really know if this right wing flag waver actually supports some cases of medically mandated abortion, or if they are just going along with their 'crowd'.

The thing is, that there are very large numbers of those who sit firmly in the middle between the outliers on either end.

These centrists although going unacknowledged by either extreme, are the vast majority, and always have been.

Extremism of either kind represents an actual danger to the true centrists, who have the power of the majority but don't make too much of a fuss about it.

a reply to: chr0naut
True but I think you are missing the point, in regards to the topic of the thread.

I'm not talking about the masses in this example, the USSR backing the Allied forces, it is the government who could have easily said, let's back our leftists brothers, if the premise of the OP is correct. I'm just pointing out that the fact that they didn't works against that premise.

So f the left is so ‘against’ the dreaded far right

Then WHY oh WHY are they embracing fascism wholeheartedly right now?

Explain that

To even attempt to say that the left is NOT embracing fascism is a lie. They most definitely are.

“Think how WE think, or we’ll attack you”
“Everyone who isn’t US is the enemy”

The left of today as fascist to the core and they openly applaud and encourage fascism, while screeching (and lying) that the non-existent “far right” are the fascist ones.

There is CLEARLY one single ‘side’ who is absolutely AGAINST individual freedom of any kind. And it AINT the ‘right’

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
So f the left is so ‘against’ the dreaded far right

Then WHY oh WHY are they embracing fascism wholeheartedly right now?

Explain that

They aren't. It is only that you think that they are. Otherwise you would have to face up to the distasteful unreasonableness of your own opinions. That is why you invent an enemy worse than yourself.

To even attempt to say that the left is NOT embracing fascism is a lie. They most definitely are.

“Think how WE think, or we’ll attack you”
“Everyone who isn’t US is the enemy”

Can you even tell me who said these things?

Or why you should believe that these things somehow are a definition of Fascism?

The truth is, more than likely that you saw it in a meme, because you can't conceive of a meme that seems to support your opinion as being hyperbole or untrue.

The left of today as fascist to the core and they openly applaud and encourage fascism, while screeching (and lying) that the non-existent “far right” are the fascist ones.

There is CLEARLY one single ‘side’ who is absolutely AGAINST individual freedom of any kind. And it AINT the ‘right’

No, there are many groups and individuals who are against the personal freedom of others.

So, if you see the world as divided into just two camps, the far-right and everyone else, you are probably in the far-right.

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
To even attempt to say that the left is NOT embracing fascism is a lie. They most definitely are.

“Think how WE think, or we’ll attack you”
“Everyone who isn’t US is the enemy”

Just that, authoritarianism, isn't what makes fascism, fascism. It is authoritarianism with a conservative/traditional slant.

In formulating this reply I realized that there isn't an -ism for authoritarianism with a left/liberal slant, at least not that I can think of. Maybe that is why some people just call any flavor of it fascism?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: chr0naut

try tracking down and verifying those hundreds of sources 😃

Why?

I did pick a few random links from the bottom of the Wikipedia article. Every single one of them that I followed linked to a relevant article and was from a highly credentialed and undisputed source.

Please post the specific links from that article, that you think are representative of what you talking about.

Sure ya did 😃

I know you just forgot to post them with all the pertinent info😃