Being on the 'frontlines' of this pandemic, I was offered the Vaccine and I refused.

a reply to: new_here


It's never been about the vaccine, it's about control and the destruction of the economy for the great reset. This is only my prediction about restricting air travel.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

I think that problem will be taken care of. Since the person that gets the vaccine is protected, the person without the vaccine should be of little to no threat.


The person that got the vaccine should be the one identified, that allows the person that was vaccinated to show proof they were vaccinated, and they will be able to collect whatever benefits that comes with getting the vaccine.

I don't know if there will different identifications for each type, since they all have different levels of effectiveness.

They are going the, "something is better did nothing", route.

www.usnews.com...

originally posted by: iammrhappy86
Furthermore, I wonder the possibility of another virus being unleashed; one for which the vaccine is effective.

In doing so, the doubters would be silenced as they all fall deathly ill.

At this point, the never-doubters would double-down on trusting the authority, ever thankful for being saved from this truly deadly plague.

I'm well aware that last one is on the fringe of reality.

Actually, I would argue that your 'fringe scenario' is much more likely than what is being pushed now: a vaccine that is not a vaccine but instead is experimental gene therapy, for which it is made clear that it won't keep you from getting sick or spreading the virus, but you should take it anyway, because 'feelz'...

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: AaarghZombies
I think that problem will be taken care of. Since the person that gets the vaccine is protected, the person without the vaccine should be of little to no threat.

You would think so, wouldn't you? But no, vaxx true believers have demonstrated in the last 20 years the exact opposite.

People today are vilified and pushed via more and more extreme measures to get their new born babies, young children, and themselves, fully vaccinated with every concoction that private vaxx pusher known as the CDC can come up with.

The person that got the vaccine should be the one identified, that allows the person that was vaccinated to show proof they were vaccinated, and they will be able to collect whatever benefits that comes with getting the vaccine.

Benefits? You mean beyond their belief that they are somehow protected?

Again - if the vaxx is effective, why should anyone who is vaxxed have any concern at all about those who are not?

originally posted by: sussy
My seeker is God, and thankfully he gave me intelligence.
Thankfully on this tiny island I live on, called England, has intelligence too...

England isn't an island,Great Britian is the island.So much for that intelligence you boast of.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: iammrhappy86

I have nothing against allowing people to choose whether or not they will get vaccinated. In fact I'm a long term advocate for freedom of choice.

What I am concerned about is that other people around you won't know that you've not been vaccinated. So unless you do something to make them aware of your status then they can't make informed choices when they are around you.

It's like having Herpes. You should inform your sexual partners in advance so that they can determine what the risks are and how they should act. If they choose to have sex with you then they do so from a position of informed consent, rather than one of ignorance.

I am as healthy as I was yesterday, why should I bear the responsibility of identifying myself as such?

If anything, those who took the shot should be the ones to identify themselves as such.

Then again, what's the point? Vaxed or not, you can still get it, you can still pass it on.


I really don't understand the pressure to get the injection.

If you get it, you're not helping anyone in any way.

You're only saving yourself, and at what cost?

originally posted by: sussy
Excuse me.... Trump???? For gods sake this pandemic has been here since 2019 duh COVID 19 , the 19 stands for 2019..
Countries have been scientifically working on the antidote since day 1

Wrong china let the virus run rampant and covered up any reference to the virus for up to 3 months prior
www.forbes.com... /?sh=28aac02e4bf8

a reply to: iammrhappy86

do you get the flu shot? i too refuse to get the covid shot something about it just makes me feel like my ancestors are telling me NOOOOOOO

a reply to: iammrhappy86

I see covid vaxxers self identifying all over my fb I eventually asked if they were being paid for sponsorship and my post was reported

a reply to: MissCoyote

I've never gotten the flu vaccine.

And that's rather telling of your post being reported.

I fear the Great Censor has begun; and those who support it know not what awaits them.


We were saved from the label of "fake news" as the term was highjacked and thrown at the mainstream media (fittingly so).

But we see now on platforms such as twitter and facebook that the mass silencing of opposing opinions has begun.

It will only get worse until everyone decides to cast away the shackles of Babylon and seek our rightful King; or until we choose otherwise.

originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: scraedtosleep

These vaccines are to rushed.

Why are they still being called.vaccines?

Get s polio vaccine, don't get polio

Get a rubella vaccine,.don't get rubella

Tetanus, hepatitis, pneumococcal menengitis, don't get any of those

Get the covid 'vaccine', still get covid

See the difference here?

Not really, no. You're just wrong.

Vaccines are never 100% effective, including the ones you listed.:

From the CDC:

"One dose of MMR vaccine is 93% effective against measles, 78% effective against mumps, and 97% effective against rubella.

Two doses of MMR vaccine are 97% effective against measles and 88% effective against mumps."


Which makes the current 2 dose Pfizer vaccine more effective at preventing C19 (95%) than the current 2 dose vaccine for mumps.

originally posted by: sussy
Totally incorrect Sir.. Now when you open your mouth on any social media, you have to back up your claims...
It is written in black and white and is live for eternity..
WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS AND EVIDENCE

You're starting to sound silly

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: iammrhappy86
Furthermore, I wonder the possibility of another virus being unleashed; one for which the vaccine is effective.

In doing so, the doubters would be silenced as they all fall deathly ill.

At this point, the never-doubters would double-down on trusting the authority, ever thankful for being saved from this truly deadly plague.

I'm well aware that last one is on the fringe of reality.

Actually, I would argue that your 'fringe scenario' is much more likely than what is being pushed now: a vaccine that is not a vaccine but instead is experimental gene therapy, for which it is made clear that it won't keep you from getting sick or spreading the virus, but you should take it anyway, because 'feelz'...

An experimental gene therapy? Got a reputable link to back that up. Qanon don't count....

originally posted by: olaru12
originally posted by: tanstaafl
"what is being pushed now: a vaccine that is not a vaccine but instead is experimental gene therapy, for which it is made clear that it won't keep you from getting sick or spreading the virus, but you should take it anyway, because 'feelz'..."

An experimental gene therapy? Got a reputable link to back that up.

Obviously you wouldn't consider anything but a CDC or AMA link to be 'legitimate', but here is one that actually is legitimate.

Also, I'm curious why you would just blindly accept the supposition that even though this so-called vaccine doesn't keep anyone from getting sick or spreading the virus, it should be forced on everyone in the country.

I won't hold my breath for an answer...

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: iammrhappy86

I fear that one day soon, we will have another division among our people: the vaccinated and the non-vaccinated.

The craziest part about that is that people like me. Someone who understands and respects covid, will be on the non-vaccinated side.

I have been quarantining myself for this entire time so far. And I will do so for the next 10 years if I have to. Self quarantine puts me in at least some control of my future. These vaccines are to rushed. I have a doctor in my family that tells me this. I trust them. At the same time they are telling me how bad covid really is. And I trust them about that as well.

So Staying away from others for my safety and theirs is my option. And I should be allowed to choose it.

I really don't get this whole 'the covid vaccine was rushed' line of thinking.

We spent almost an ENTIRE YEAR studying the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. The vaccines themselves aren't new technology - they were based on the past 10 years of research in developing and working on vaccines for SARS. Its not new stuff at all.

One of the vaccines, the Moderna or Pfizer, I forget which one , was created back in January 2020. The vaccines have gone through the 3 phases that all vaccines go through.

Out of curiosity, what part do you feel was 'rushed'? Can you be specific on what part of the vaccine study you feel was rushed? What did they leave out, that you are specifically worried about?

I have to say, I'm a statistics guy, and honestly, both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines look extremely promising to me. They have had relatively few side effects outside of the minor flu-like symptoms, and seem to be tolerated really well, even by the very frail and eldery.

I'm personally looking forward to getting the vaccine.

As someone who JUST recovered from Covid, I can assure you, we NEEDED a vaccine. It really is our only hope in getting out of this mess. Covid is a terrible disease - and while many people are fortunate to catch the virus and have mild to moderate symptoms:
- 1 out of every 12 americans has now had covid
- about 1 out of 5 people who get the virus end up in the hospital.
- about 1 in 8 people suffer from long-term symptoms and complications due to the virus
- about 1 out every 50 people who get covid die from the disease.

Its a nasty virus - and we needed to do something.

I respect each person's decision to get, or not to get the vaccine. I think its a personal choice. For me, its a super easy, obvious choice - but I have nothing against people who decide to either wait, or to not get it at all.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: olaru12
originally posted by: tanstaafl
"what is being pushed now: a vaccine that is not a vaccine but instead is experimental gene therapy, for which it is made clear that it won't keep you from getting sick or spreading the virus, but you should take it anyway, because 'feelz'..."

An experimental gene therapy? Got a reputable link to back that up.

Obviously you wouldn't consider anything but a CDC or AMA link to be 'legitimate', but here is one that actually is legitimate.

Why don't you explain why it's gene therapy, it's your claim. I'm not sitting through a bunch of podcasts made by a financial analyst to find out. I'm also not sure why we should think it "legitimate"??

a reply to: vonclod

The "vaccine" doesn't prevent you from attracting and spreading the virus, so what's your point exactly?

The "vaccine" is more like taking a paracetamol before you have a headache, so that in the event you actually get said headache within the time the paracetamol is effective, it doesn't hurt that much..

originally posted by: 38181
I don’t have the link. Search it yourself. The FAA cautioned pilots who take the vaccine that they can revoke their medical certificates at anytime if the pilot takes the Covid Vaccine. Meaning if the FAA feels that the vaccine is ineffective or could affect the pilots health they can ground that pilot(s) who took the vaccine. Jesus. WTF.

This is false much like most of the info posted here on ATS by our resident unqualified epidemiologist, policy writers and constitutional scholars. There is a 48hr waiting period after each shot. No flying or controlling air traffic 48 hours after each shot. As FAA controller I have received both shot and couldn't work for 2 days after. Our union has ensured us that no detrimental actions can be taken because we got vaccinated. Here is a link for those who care, but it is a government site and they control the information....rolls eyes.

www.faa.gov...

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: AaarghZombies

I think that problem will be taken care of. Since the person that gets the vaccine is protected, the person without the vaccine should be of little to no threat.


The person that got the vaccine should be the one identified, that allows the person that was vaccinated to show proof they were vaccinated, and they will be able to collect whatever benefits that comes with getting the vaccine.

I don't know if there will different identifications for each type, since they all have different levels of effectiveness.

They are going the, "something is better did nothing", route.

www.usnews.com...

This is one of the things im actually fearing.. that people who didn't get the "vaccine" will be labeled for easy identification in one way or another.. Here in Europe governments are already debating a vaccine-passport.

All this reminds me alot of the stars they sewed onto the clothes of jews before WW2...