Oregon Lawmaker Introduces Vegan Bill

a reply to: ketsuko

Trying to turn an omnivore into a cow. Cows eat 16 hours a day just to get filled up and produce enough greenhouse gasses to block out the sun. And wear out their teeth in the process.

As has been mentioned the problem is once you make every nursing home or prison have vegan alternatives, their costs go up the quality for everybody goes down.

originally posted by: blueman12

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: ketsuko


This is stupid. Veganism is stupid. Vegans are stupid.

Stupid and pointless veganism is stupid and pointless.

Eating factory farmed animals is stupid. Not only do they suffer their entire lives but they also do harm to the environment.

But, sure. Call the small minority of people who want to protest against factory farming - stupid.

We have been eating farm animals for literally many thousands of years, the environment is still chugging along just fine. In fact if it weren't for meat we wouldn't have developed this awesome brain and we also wouldn't have made it through the last ice age.

Our bodies are tuned for eating meat, deal with it.

a reply to: ketsuko

Doesn't the new bill say they have to offer vegan alternatives at a similair price to non-vegan food?

That sounds fine to me.

No processed meats? Well, what constitutes as processed? You can still get unproceesed meats im sure. Still get bacon and roast beef.

And if they want processed foods, just order it online from a store.

Seems like the bill is trying to encourage facilities to offer healthier choices.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

Mass factory farming causes environmental issues. Not farms from the 1800s. Also, most people can get nutrients from vegtables. Im not sure what caused rapid brain growth in our species. I wouldn't just assume it's meat. We also live in a dramatically different life than cavemen..

Also, if we can live off plants and not have to harm beings, isn't that a good thing?

a reply to: Skada

I haven't seen where this was a forced meal. Add as an optional alternative is what i understood.

More like just another sensationalized anti-vegan article. Meat and dairy industries love those. Afraid to lose even a penny to the small but growing vegan demographic.

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe
Nice. Imagine working hard all your life and being lucky enough to make it to a certain age. Then imagine having to go to a long term care facility to finish out your journey only to find that the bastards took away one of the only remaining joys there is to be had in life... your BACON?

WTF??

Why do people hate joy?

LOL no incentive to keep on keeping on ... let's all just go out with a frikkin' BANG!!

Right? That was what I was thinking too. Damn near gave up just thinking about it.

a reply to: ketsuko

He can add Marlboro cigarettes and Pabst Blue Ribbon to the Menu: Also Vegan.

a reply to: ketsuko

Little known fact, this is Vegan Bill.

Vegan Bill Gromspleen, he lives in Portland.

a reply to: Bigburgh

Love this! Now I want a bacon cheeseburger and fries!

a reply to: Katatonik
a reply to: DBCowboy

Lol..

Thanks, i posted these on DBCowboy's diet thread a few years ago.

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Alien Abduct

Mass factory farming causes environmental issues. Not farms from the 1800s. Also, most people can get nutrients from vegtables. Im not sure what caused rapid brain growth in our species. I wouldn't just assume it's meat. We also live in a dramatically different life than cavemen..

Also, if we can live off plants and not have to harm beings, isn't that a good thing?

My response to your environmental issue would be to only eat animals from environmentally friendly farms.

On your issue about "eating another being. Life is life. Why hold one life as more important than another?

If an advanced alien species with seemingly godlike
intelligence decided they liked the taste of humans and began eating us you would probably complain right? Then they would respond, "well you eat plants".

What would be your response to them?

a reply to: Alien Abduct

I would say plants do not suffer. Beings of intelligence do. But, ive heard that ridiculous argument before.

It's an arguement made only by people who cannot feel empathy. And i refuse to have an argument regarding suffering with someone who lacks care or empathy.

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Alien Abduct

I would say plants do not suffer. Beings of intelligence do. But, ive heard that ridiculous argument before.

It's an arguement made only by people who cannot feel empathy. And i refuse to have an argument regarding suffering with someone who lacks care or empathy.

If I have an environmentally friendly farm and decided to kill a cow to eat....I give it a powerful sleeping pill......do you see where this is going?

Now that the happy well fed cow didn't suffer is it okay to eat it?

Generalizing that plant based is better for people is not scientific nor is it true. Some people do not have the proper enzymes to process vegetables in high quantity, and that number is over fifty percent of the people in this country. Anyone who is pushing plants as food to seniors who create even less digestive enzymes than younger people, should be tossed in jail. The amylase enzymes are usually the first to go when you get really old.

originally posted by: Bigburgh

Damn you, now I am hungry. It is twenty after one in the morning and now I have to go down to the fridge.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

Sure, as long as that cow was treated very ethically. My biggest gripe is factory farming, which is where most processed meats originate.

a reply to: rickymouse

Do you have a study to support that over 50% of people cannot live off a vegetarian or vegan diet?

Also, it's an option. Not a forced vegan meal plan.

Honestly, most Americans would benefit from eating vegan a few times a week. Most people aren't interested in going vegan 100% and having that option to eat a non-meat alternative is great.

Americans would also benifit from eating way less processed meat.

I don't see the harm here. Some of the longest living people eat mostly vegetables and a little bit of unprocessed meats.

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Alien Abduct

Sure, as long as that cow was treated very ethically. My biggest gripe is factory farming, which is where most processed meats originate.

Well then you should advocate for the ethical treatment of animals not for anti meat eating.