Sooooo, why get the vaccine?

originally posted by: crayzeed
What about having a vaccine when you already have immunity? Another thing with this lockdown:- my friend and his wife have showed positive for Covid, his last day of isolation is today. But what he wants to know is how have he and his wife got Covid when they have both been in isolation for 6 weeks? How have they got infected when they have never interacted with anybody?

They must have interacted with someone or something. It didn't just appear in their house.

originally posted by: TomServo
Many around are asking "you getting the vaccine??", to which I reply "nah, I don't think it's ready and vetted well enough yet". Now don't get me wrong, I fully support vaccinations. But it takes years to work out the kinks, and this one isn't ready. The only attractive thing about it at the moment would be No More Facemasks, and hopefully life back to some level of normal, at least for me, right? But that got me thinking, with all the left's hammering into our heads, "get your vaccines, otherwise you're an idiot". But I can't help but notice, all these libtards who continue to wear their masks after receiving the vaccine, which prompted me to search for and find THIS article...

www.forbes.com...

So, reading through those five points, my question to you ATS is... what's the purpose of getting THIS vaccine. Do the possible benefits outweigh the probable risks?

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse with this reply but I think it is necessary and important. Here is what I do know:
1. The vaccine DOES help in preventing the spread of the virus. This has been studied and verified.
2. It is still possible to spread if you are vaccinated however as I mentioned in point 1, it is less likely.
3. I can not confidentially say that with other variants. It sounds like that is the case but I just don't know for sure.

I will continue to state that if you fall in any of what is considered high risk, you should really consider the vaccine. I have not caught the virus I have seen (appearance wise) healthy people get hit hard and not so healthy looking people not really be affected. You just don't know until you get it.

Working in the Healthcare environment I had to get it, though it's very likely I would have anyways. I am 42 yo and relatively healthy but I ain't no spring chicken anymore. The risk from the vaccine was minute compared to what I've seen with the virus and this is why I will continue to encourage people to get the vaccine.

originally posted by: noonebutme
a reply to: jtma508
a reply to: jtma508



The worry is the more people who are fearing the vaccines for no reason gives the virus more opportunities to mutate into a form that the vaccine no longer works against.

Or i suppose, if govt vaccination programs are too slow and people don’t’ get the second bump, an escape variant could be devastating

I worry that the more people fear the virus and get vaccinated the more they will spread the virus causing more devastating mutations.

a reply to: HawkeyeNation

In other words, the Moderna/Pfizer/J&J drugs are not real vaccines. They're more like the "flu shot" than the measles or chicken-pox shots.

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: TomServo
Many around are asking "you getting the vaccine??", to which I reply "nah, I don't think it's ready and vetted well enough yet". Now don't get me wrong, I fully support vaccinations. But it takes years to work out the kinks, and this one isn't ready. The only attractive thing about it at the moment would be No More Facemasks, and hopefully life back to some level of normal, at least for me, right? But that got me thinking, with all the left's hammering into our heads, "get your vaccines, otherwise you're an idiot". But I can't help but notice, all these libtards who continue to wear their masks after receiving the vaccine, which prompted me to search for and find THIS article...

www.forbes.com...

So, reading through those five points, my question to you ATS is... what's the purpose of getting THIS vaccine. Do the possible benefits outweigh the probable risks?

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse with this reply but I think it is necessary and important. Here is what I do know:
1. The vaccine DOES help in preventing the spread of the virus. This has been studied and verified.
2. It is still possible to spread if you are vaccinated however as I mentioned in point 1, it is less likely.
3. I can not confidentially say that with other variants. It sounds like that is the case but I just don't know for sure.

I will continue to state that if you fall in any of what is considered high risk, you should really consider the vaccine. I have not caught the virus I have seen (appearance wise) healthy people get hit hard and not so healthy looking people not really be affected. You just don't know until you get it.

Working in the Healthcare environment I had to get it, though it's very likely I would have anyways. I am 42 yo and relatively healthy but I ain't no spring chicken anymore. The risk from the vaccine was minute compared to what I've seen with the virus and this is why I will continue to encourage people to get the vaccine.

So basically, Going through your points 1-3. You know nothing.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: HawkeyeNation

In other words, the Moderna/Pfizer/J&J drugs are not real vaccines. They're more like the "flu shot" than the measles or chicken-pox shots.

At this point it appears that way. Let's just hope we don't have as many mutations as the flu.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

originally posted by: TomServo
Many around are asking "you getting the vaccine??", to which I reply "nah, I don't think it's ready and vetted well enough yet". Now don't get me wrong, I fully support vaccinations. But it takes years to work out the kinks, and this one isn't ready. The only attractive thing about it at the moment would be No More Facemasks, and hopefully life back to some level of normal, at least for me, right? But that got me thinking, with all the left's hammering into our heads, "get your vaccines, otherwise you're an idiot". But I can't help but notice, all these libtards who continue to wear their masks after receiving the vaccine, which prompted me to search for and find THIS article...

www.forbes.com...

So, reading through those five points, my question to you ATS is... what's the purpose of getting THIS vaccine. Do the possible benefits outweigh the probable risks?

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse with this reply but I think it is necessary and important. Here is what I do know:
1. The vaccine DOES help in preventing the spread of the virus. This has been studied and verified.
2. It is still possible to spread if you are vaccinated however as I mentioned in point 1, it is less likely.
3. I can not confidentially say that with other variants. It sounds like that is the case but I just don't know for sure.

I will continue to state that if you fall in any of what is considered high risk, you should really consider the vaccine. I have not caught the virus I have seen (appearance wise) healthy people get hit hard and not so healthy looking people not really be affected. You just don't know until you get it.

Working in the Healthcare environment I had to get it, though it's very likely I would have anyways. I am 42 yo and relatively healthy but I ain't no spring chicken anymore. The risk from the vaccine was minute compared to what I've seen with the virus and this is why I will continue to encourage people to get the vaccine.

So basically, Going through your points 1-3. You know nothing.

I literally told you what I know...I'm not a scientist and quite frankly I've not put forth any sort of effort on the latest variants to know what studies have or have not been done. I'm just ready for it to be done.

Pfizer - Holds the largest criminal fraud fines in all of human history.

Moderna - It's only product to market is it's experimental genetic therapy technology branded as an mRNA vaccine. This technology failed to gain approval for use in humans due to safety and efficacy issues in animal trials prior to the release of covid-19.

Johnson and Johnson - May have given an entire generation or two cancer forcing it to split into two companies. Currently marketing a more traditional vaccine therapy that has not undergone rigorous scientific studies and testing as all other vaccines of its kind.

Do these companies sound like companies you should trust or use products from? If so, enjoy the vaccines, boosters and soon to come to market without any long term studies either pills. Enjoy knowing that you are still not protected from contracting, spreading or dying from a virus you're not likely to contract or die from anyways. Take comfort in the ignorance you enjoy in not knowing along with the scientific community what the long term effects of these "vaccines" are because not one single long term study has ever been conducted.

Yes, some people have died from covid, but those case counts most likely pale in comparison to people who have died with covid suffering from comorbidities. That however is no excuse to live in ignorance or live with an irrational fear induced by state run propaganda media.

If you want the clot shot, have fun. Please don't tell others they should take it though and PLEASE do not ever advocate for peoples rights and freedoms to be trampled on and forced to take it due to your own irrational fears. You getting the shot doesn't magically make you more protected than someone who hasn't, and that is a scientific fact. It is so damn factual that they've now had to change the definition of fully vaccinated four time and are toying with doing so again a fifth time. The vaccinated of today are the unvaccinated of tomorrow. Rest easy folks. Life is short, enjoy it while you have it and defend your rights and freedoms with the entirety of it.

The CDC is finally admitting that covid-19 is a nothing burger for 99% of americans.

They just reduced the quarantine from 10 days to 5 days for anyone who finds out they've been exposed to covid-19... or have contracted the covid-19 bug.

Government is so slow. It's best not to look to them for guidance on anything.

a reply to: carewemust

Not to mention now they're saying cloth masks are nothing more than facial decorations and we should at least be wearing disposable surgical masks or even better N95 masks. NOT cloth masks as we've been told through the alleged deadliest parts of the pandemic were fine to wear.

a reply to: carewemust

Covid-19 is a Coronavirus. It's one of the fastest mutating families of virus that we have yet encountered. Which is why it was so important for people to get vaxxed and to socially distance early on. Now that horse has bolted. You're living in the world that we were warned about in April 2020.

originally posted by: phoenixbyrd79
a reply to: carewemust

Not to mention now they're saying cloth masks are nothing more than facial decorations and we should at least be wearing disposable surgical masks or even better N95 masks. NOT cloth masks as we've been told through the alleged deadliest parts of the pandemic were fine to wear.

Except that's not how it went. The government knew that a regular cloth mask would only provide minimal protection, but they said that it was OK because it was still better than doing nothing. They would have preferred that everybody wore a fully certified N95 mask be knew that A) Not everybody cold get hold of on, and B) The some people would flat out refuse to wear one. So they decided that allowing cloth masks was the least worst option.

a reply to: carewemust

Because more people are vaxxed now.

Pathology Results Show 93% of People Who Died After Being Vaccinated Were Killed By the Vaccine

www.infowars.com...

Summary

The vaccines are bad news. Fifteen bodies were examined (all died from 7 days to 6 months after vaccination). The coroner or the public prosecutor didn’t associate the vaccine as the cause of death in any of the cases. However, further examination revealed that the vaccine was implicated in the deaths of 14 of the 15 cases. The most attacked organ was the heart (in all of the people who died), but other organs were attacked as well. The implications are potentially enormous resulting in millions of deaths. The vaccines should be immediately halted.

doctors4covidethics.org...

The evidence
We herewith present scientific evidence that calls for an immediate stop of the use of gene-based
COVID-19 vaccines. We first lay out why the agents cannot protect against viral infection. While no
positive effects can be expected, we show that the vaccines can trigger self-destructive processes that lead to debilitating illness and death.
a reply to: TomServo

Dr. Robert Malone Podcast with Joe Rogan

rumble.com...

Dr. Robert Malone explains to Joe Rogan how Uttar Pradesh has crushed COVID with early treatment.

Joe Biden met with Narendra Modi and a decision was made to not disclose the contents of the treatment. Why?

The entire interview:
open.spotify.com...

This is critical information if you are going to the vaccine.

BREAKING: Deadly Vax Lot Numbers IDENTIFIED, Still in Circulation!

ATTACK ON AMERICA: COMPANIES INTENTIONALLY DEPLOYING TOXIC BATCHES

Dr Ruby joins Stew Peters to relay how she spent 3 hours with researchers who have been painstakingly identifying the lot numbers of the most deadly vials that are now in circulation.

forbiddenknowledgetv.net...

That question was being asked a lot tonight.

I met up with an ex co-worker I have not seen in almost a year. We met just to catch up, and for her to pick up gifts I had gotten for her children.

While we where at the local eatery, drinking mocha, and catching up on old times. I could not help but hear the same conversation going on around me at at least 4 different tables.

They were all talking about the unbelievable number of people they know, that are fully vaccinated, but has come down with COVID. I did not here anyone even mention the word unvaccinated, so they didn't seem to making comparisons. They seemed stymied that they, and so many people they know, that had been fully vaccinated, thinking they were doing everything right, and still getting sick with COVID.

I just hope they realize we are all in the same boat, and that there is no need, or room for division in this ocean we are all likely to drown in, if we don't stop fighting each other, and work together to get this boat to shore.

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation

The risk from the vaccine was minute compared to what I've seen with the virus and this is why I will continue to encourage people to get the vaccine.

VAERS data shows that, overall, there is a probability of a cardiac event from the vaccine of 0.73% (about 1 in 137), while the probability of the same event from the disease is 0.57% (about 1 in 175).

The difference is small, but the vaccine is somewhat more dangerous than the disease and Cardiac events are potentially the most dangerous.

mrna vaccines at least have been used and researched for decades before 2020 so many kinks have been worked out years ago, so with the pandemic there weren't many to work out anymore so development could be accelerated, not only that but coronaviruses have been around usually shown as a common cold, so we have done all kinds of research before 2020. to say they have all kinds of kinks to work out isn't really the truth and usually vaccines never take more than a year or two to develop, test, approve then vaccinate.

a reply to: namehere

as for why now, even though omicron has already become the dominant variant, delta is still around for awhile and omicron will drop sharply when its wave is over, so delta might surge back and only those that are vaccinated or those who got covid already will avoid the worst.