Sooooo, why get the vaccine?

a reply to: TomServo

Yup.. mRNA vaccines work by providing your body with the genetic code to produce the same proteins as the virus, albeit in a safe manner, so your body then has an immune repose to those proteins. The safe, non-disease causing ones. MRNA vaccines — very cool stuff.

Live vaccinations is the traditional, dead or weakened version of the virus which your body also produces an immune response against and fights the perceived infection.

Right so. What’s your beef with the statements I made about global vaccination, preventing virus mutation and ensuring the vaccination jabs are followed up properly to prevent escape-variants of the Covid virus?

What conspiracy theories are you planning on injecting into this discussion?

a reply to: noonebutme

Here, start this video at 20 mins. This is a man in the field for 30 years, he clearly explains why this is a terrible idea.

www.bitchute.com...

have fun dealing with your health problems in the future.

If i was asymptomatic why the # would i want the vaccine? and why the # would i have tested negative?

I think most people who take this vaccine are going to be royally #ed.

I guess my SO will be the family Guinee pig.

I'm pretty certain her job will be requiring it.

a reply to: booyakasha

From Wikipedia...

The German non-profit Correctiv fact-checked one of Bhakdi's YouTube videos, and found a number of problematic claims, including the claim that any COVID-19 vaccine would be "pointless", and that the virus posed no more threat than influenza.[20] Writing for Foreign Policy, Tyson Barker (Head of DGAP's Technology & Global Affairs Program)[29] described Bhakdi as a prominent example from a "crop of debunked but credentialed so-called experts minting conspiracy theories and undermining fact-based information".[30] In October 2020 the University of Mainz issued a statement to the effect that it does not support Bhakdi's views.[31][32]

Yeh. No thanks. I’ll get my facts from proper science journals - not conspiracy theorists

a reply to: booyakasha

Here’s the thing with a video like that, if it were completely true, then every time we got infected with a virus and our cells expressed abnormal protein we would get autoimmune disease. Every time we get cancer or abnormal cells producing abnormal protein we would get autoimmune disease with the cancer. Now he does have some valid points on a DNA based vaccine, because those work a little differently and are more long term. Also, with self amplifying RNA vaccines. We’re still trying to figure those out and they can cause issues like a hypersensitivity reaction or autoimmune disease.

mRNA no, these have the potential to be much safer than standard vaccines and more effective. RNA interference alone, prevents long term expression of this foreign transcript. Most of the problems are from that lipid nano particle, that liposome that we use to penetrate the cell membrane. Keep in mind that we have to label the transcript and package it correctly in a properly labeled box for it to work. Specific to each person would be best but that’s not gonna happen, so we make it species dependent instead. The body knows when something isn’t self, it will attack and destroy what it can, but it will still get in the cells and produce viral proteins.

One of the problems I have will all of this non-peer reviewed information is sifting through it. It’s hard, time consuming and takes forever. There is data showing this stuff goes to antigen presenting cells only and there’s data showing it goes to both and all cells. That can induce different responses in different people. So can a foreign synthetic fat particle. That’s why you’re getting reactions plus inflammatory signaling from the cells saying they’re in trouble and have foreign proteins.

originally posted by: TheAMEDDDoc
a reply to: booyakasha

There is data showing this stuff goes to antigen presenting cells only and there’s data showing it goes to both and all cells. That can induce different responses in different people. So can a foreign synthetic fat particle. That’s why you’re getting reactions plus inflammatory signaling from the cells saying they’re in trouble and have foreign proteins.

Ok. I'd rather not be part of any of that data. I was making out with a girl that had covid and hanging out with 2 others that all got it. I am 100% fine.

Why would I risk taking a vaccine that permanently alters my DNA? Why would i risk taking a vaccine that is killing people in nursing homes? The evidence is looking really bad already. the media is obviously covering up the problems (deaths) that are happening.
Go ahead test the vaccine for them, I wont be part of that data set.

Oh that settles it. A German "fact check" on Wikiedia.

90% of all medical research is wrong.

healthland.time.com...

bigthink.com...





Ill go ahead and get my facts from what I personally see happening.

You go ahead and be part of the data. Trust big pharma. Trust the military owned medical system. Trust the Rockefeller created pharma drugs. Doesn't bother me. Just don't tell me what to put in my body, especially if you are too lazy to take vitamins and chaga.

This could be a nice ATS experiment. We could come back in one year and see who's still healthy and who's not and who got the vaccine and who didn't.

My hypothesis is most of the people who got the vaccine will have new medical conditions that threaten their life, and the ones that didn't take it are more healthy than the ones that did.

a reply to: booyakasha

Thank you for that link. I've always had a soft spot for Dr Paul, didn't realise he had an Institute.

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originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
That makes sense to me. The vaccine doesn’t stop you from contracting Covid, but it should reduce the effects of the disease and reduce the numbers having to be admitted to hospital.

Well then it isn’t a vaccine, is it?

originally posted by: TheAMEDDDoc
a reply to: HalWesten

Absolutely correct, how can a body produce antibodies with adaptive immunity without exposure? Especially long term immunity going on months or years. That’s not how the immune system works at all. The vaccine will not prevent you from becoming infected with, sharing or developing symptoms.

Regardless of who chooses to take what, would what you have just described not basically be akin to a degree of...Placebo Effect?

Edit: Placebo is the best I can relate it to right now even though it's not the best fit, full plate this morning and semi-distracted.

a reply to: TomServo

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originally posted by: TomServo
Many around are asking "you getting the vaccine??", to which I reply "nah, I don't think it's ready and vetted well enough yet". Now don't get me wrong, I fully support vaccinations. But it takes years to work out the kinks, and this one isn't ready. The only attractive thing about it at the moment would be No More Facemasks, and hopefully life back to some level of normal, at least for me, right? But that got me thinking, with all the left's hammering into our heads, "get your vaccines, otherwise you're an idiot". But I can't help but notice, all these libtards who continue to wear their masks after receiving the vaccine, which prompted me to search for and find THIS article...

www.forbes.com...

So, reading through those five points, my question to you ATS is... what's the purpose of getting THIS vaccine. Do the possible benefits outweigh the probable risks?

Simple answer? NO.

Long answer? HELL NO.

There is ZERO logic in it.

Even the hjghest risk category of people have a 95+% chance of full recovery, and that is without treatment. With the extremely effective treatments available - Ivermectin, Hydroxy, etc - it brings their survival chances up to 99.99+%.

So... why, in the name of sanity, would anyone want to get an experimental vaccine?

Anyone who cannot see that the insane push towards mandating this vaccine for everyone for something with such a low risk of death has nothing to do with health or safety, and everything to do with tyrannical overthrow of all existing governments - well, anyone who can't see that is themselves, insane.

originally posted by: TheAMEDDDoc
a reply to: booyakasha
mRNA no, these have the potential to be much safer than standard vaccines and more effective.

I don't disagree with this.

But, my one, big, over-arching problem with vaccines is something that cannot be overcome...

I do not trust them, or the government agencies/employees who are supposed to be overseeing them. At all. Zilch. Nada. I don't trust them for properly managing highway traffic patterns, much less something as important as the health of myself and my children. Especially with their having ZERO liability for any potential harm their potions may cause. And even more especially considering their track record with being willing to experiment on unsuspecting people and having no concern for any pain or suffering they may cause speaks for itself.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
That makes sense to me. The vaccine doesn’t stop you from contracting Covid, but it should reduce the effects of the disease and reduce the numbers having to be admitted to hospital. Well, that’s what they are claiming anyway.

So, until herd immunity has been established, the wearing of masks and social distancing rules will still apply.

If you can't develop herd immunity in a year it's because the virus has mutated in which case the idea of the vaccine it already outdated. But let's take the jab any way because it might work. Er, no thanks.

originally posted by: jtma508

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
That makes sense to me. The vaccine doesn’t stop you from contracting Covid, but it should reduce the effects of the disease and reduce the numbers having to be admitted to hospital.

That's not true. Once you have received both shots your body will produce sufficient antibodies to prevent you from getting infected. The antibodies bind to the incoming virus preventing its ability to bind to potential host cells. That's how vaccines work: Stimulate the production of specific antibodies which target the virus and block it.

Kroger supermarket chain is so gung-ho about the vaccines, they are punishing employees who decide to NOT be vaccinated.

dailycaller.com...

a reply to: TomServo

Here in Europe there is no systematic examination before vaccination, my opinion is that it should be because many people already have a disease, maybe they do not know, and the vaccine has a negative effect, doctors have not examined everything about the vaccine and what is negative can affect.

For all vaccines before this, there was a systematic examination, blood analysis, X-ray examination, blood pressure examination, if any of that is wrong, you go for further examinations, and only later the vaccine.

Now they are too eager to get the vaccine no matter what your health condition is.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: jtma508

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
That makes sense to me. The vaccine doesn’t stop you from contracting Covid, but it should reduce the effects of the disease and reduce the numbers having to be admitted to hospital.

That's not true. Once you have received both shots your body will produce sufficient antibodies to prevent you from getting infected. The antibodies bind to the incoming virus preventing its ability to bind to potential host cells. That's how vaccines work: Stimulate the production of specific antibodies which target the virus and block it.

Kroger supermarket chain is so gung-ho about the vaccines, they are punishing employees who decide to NOT be vaccinated.

dailycaller.com...

The new rules will apply only to salaried, nonunion employees using the company’s health care plan, according to the memo, the WSJ reported. The Cincinnati-based grocery store has incentivized employers to get vaccinated with $100 payments.

I found this interesting.

Doesn't sound like they are doing this for health reasons.

Looks like an attack on a select group of people, using the proverbial carrots and sticks.

originally posted by: Lora73
a reply to: TomServo

Here in Europe there is no systematic examination before vaccination, my opinion is that it should be because many people already have a disease, maybe they do not know, and the vaccine has a negative effect, doctors have not examined everything about the vaccine and what is negative can affect.

For all vaccines before this, there was a systematic examination, blood analysis, X-ray examination, blood pressure examination, if any of that is wrong, you go for further examinations, and only later the vaccine.

Now they are too eager to get the vaccine no matter what your health condition is.

That will never happen, because the only goal is for every person on the planet to get the vaccine.

They don't care about natural immunity. They don't care about our health or well being.

The lies don't match what everyone is able to see. So they warned us that they have lost patience, now the gloves come off.

reply to: TomServo
hail mary mother of god

It’s already been four years since the program AlphaGO, with neural networks and learning modes, defeated Lee Sedol, the Go world champion. The strategy game StarCraft II may be the next to have a machine as reigning champion.

Ain't so much addressing health concerns as it addresses eternal life?