Final Conclusions Regarding UFOs

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

If there's an here and there in consciousness, I guess?

My actual opinion on consciousness is roughly an outcome of an "encounter". That is, the body and the mind, as separate "entities" reunite and generate some processes. Depending on the body side constitution, the mind would be expressed differently, hence for human; consciousness/awareness.

So I'm not sure if, within the "self", there's an here and there. When house becomes home, it takes, or absorbs, some of the "self" qualities, with which consciousness is influenced, that's what I think.

I mean, the shape of the house, the environment/sector, decorations (or absence of) are all bound to the "self" living in it. And living in it also shape the "self", somehow like a part of its body.

To be honest, I'm not fond of appropriation (though consciousness seems to be all about appropriation), I don't consider the body as "mine" in my "self" perspective, I'm loaning it to experience that consiousness.


a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I don't know why, but I really like that post of yours. The eyes ready for more metaphors.

a reply to: IgnorantGod

Not a metaphor, but this study truly fascinates me!

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

I wonder how much of our social decay is due to this parasite?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Interesting.

Posting this here so that I don't forget about it:

Some years ago I wrote a paper on the "Plasmaforming" of human bodies, as a form of colonization by non-human intelligence. I even presented it to the "Invisible College".

By 'plasma' I was referring to room temperature effects; there is 'cold plasma' but I was really using a metaphor.

I ran across something in some old yoga texts, that led me to formulate the notion that the purpose of 'yoga' always has been to enhance 'colonization' of the human body.

originally posted by: IgnorantGod
a reply to: NobodySpecial268

If there's an here and there in consciousness, I guess?

My actual opinion on consciousness is roughly an outcome of an "encounter". That is, the body and the mind, as separate "entities" reunite and generate some processes. Depending on the body side constitution, the mind would be expressed differently, hence for human; consciousness/awareness.

So I'm not sure if, within the "self", there's an here and there. When house becomes home, it takes, or absorbs, some of the "self" qualities, with which consciousness is influenced, that's what I think.

I mean, the shape of the house, the environment/sector, decorations (or absence of) are all bound to the "self" living in it. And living in it also shape the "self", somehow like a part of its body.

To be honest, I'm not fond of appropriation (though consciousness seems to be all about appropriation), I don't consider the body as "mine" in my "self" perspective, I'm loaning it to experience that consiousness.

You're right in how objects absorb self qualities. Some people can read an object's history by holding it in their hand.

Perhaps I am describing an alternative way from hanging out with 'folks' and watching them. The human way, and then there is the 'fairy' way?

From what I can work out, the human womb builds the shells (boundaries of self) as a part of building the embryo. The germs of the shells probably exist in the ovum and sperm prior to conception. Since we have sexes we need two to tango.

In the fairy, they don't seem to have the two sexes. I say that because they can create empty shells without needing a partner of an opposite sex.

It holds to reason that because of the difference in procreation between human and fairy, both are limited in what can be achieved. A human can't create empty shells that I know of, and what fairies place in their newborn shells is perhaps their secret. The lore of spiriting away and changlings gives a few clues.

Anyway, what I am getting to is humans are capable of budding off at least one shell (boundary of self). Perhaps this is now a lost art with the move towards developing scientific thinking and modern occult/spiritual practices? I don't read much or hang out with spiritualists, Buddhists or occultists so I don't know.

EDIT: I just saw your post above Kevin, coincidence? Interesting.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I agree it is interesting.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

You sure are interested in Fae reproduction systems!

How's the garden with your Fae companions doing?

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

Anyway, what I am getting to is humans are capable of budding off at least one shell (boundary of self).

ACTUALLY.

I have thought for years, that in your own way, you are quite brilliant.

There's another form of 'budding' that humans do constantly, that is not often talked about, and certainly not understood.

They DIE.

If you read the old lore from around the world, all older cultures before they were perverted and destroyed by the 'great lie' were absolutely and completely certain that certain aspects of humans faded away to nothing with death, a good example being Manes.

A bit more later.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

You sure are interested in Fae reproduction systems!

If I remember correctly, someone other than I raised the subject of sex receptors in the human eye.

All I did was ask one of them if they had comparative sex receptors. I got the impression of the idea of "inverse" and then treated to the view of a fairy with an empty sphere.

So all your fault Kev :p

One of the oddities about these particular beings is I never see their faces while the rest of them is in detail. My suspicion is that they are all eye. Like the surface of their boundary of self is a spherical eye. Or maybe they are all receptor.

My vege garden isn't that crash hot; no giant cabbages. Findhorn it isn't.

Finding labels for these guys isn't easy, "Fae" or "fairy" at least lets us talk about them.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

UNTEATHERED 'spirits' either fade away, or need to find a way to stabilize.

SOME spirits have been TETHERED to us for millennia.

It's what some call 'the lower spirits' that have this issue.

What other's call 'angels' or 'upper spirits' needn't worry about fading away,

but they have their own problems.

When I was young, innocent and pure (so to speak), I experimented a lot with 'tethering'.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Interesting!

I have read reports that poor FiFi was feeding off grandmothers cheeks when she passed days ago.

What other parasites may influence our thoughts and decisions?

Ok, this is a partial repost of another thread, but I want to make sure people see and discuss it;

There's this one 'psychological operation type' that I find fascinating, but generally abhorrent. I've noted various groups using it, to attempt social engineering.

It's a variant on the false flag alien invasion scenario. It's a low key type. But that makes it much more cost effective to do, and ultimately extremely powerful.

Now, sometimes the authors of the operation know full well what they are doing, but other groups are being 'used' so to speak, and are doing the operation without realizing it, they themselves being 'true believers'.

One of the best examples is the 'core story' that was cooked up at a Denny's by Jacques Vallee's friends.

Now that STORY has LEGS. It has spread out and done so much extreme harm.

Ultimately that's why some people choose to use "Twilight Language" to discuss such things, as they don't want to release another version of that into the world.

Another great example is ATS's own "@str0".

He was another infection vector for a 'core story'. It was done with military approval or at least the person in question was a kid of a worker at a classified site. I'm not certain. Almost nobody is an 'amazing kreskin'. It breaks all the rules and is generally not allowed.

Another GREAT EXAMPLE was the attempted power grab by 'pseudo-anarchists' is how they are viewed, the UK Crowley'ian based 'armageddon.co.uk' initiative, which had their ALLICE alien AI thing.

I can list many of these type of operations.

So here's the schtick:

Most of these groups think that aliens are real and that yes, eventually we will meet them.

But at least the upper tiers in the organization know that they haven't arrived yet, not in any enduring way.

But what they do is a 'war of the worlds broadcast' type thing, to convince people that 'the other' is already here, and that we must learn to communicate with it. They either promote the 'event' or more powerfully, they make it 'esoteric' and leak it. Given human curiosity, that is far more effective.

To cause social change, to throw off the 'great lie' that infected the world.
Or, for some groups, as a way to enforce their will on the world.

Kev

originally posted by: 38181
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Interesting!

I have read reports that poor FiFi was feeding off grandmothers cheeks when she passed days ago.

What other parasites may influence our thoughts and decisions?

It's a really mushy topic where it's easy to speculate and hard to prove things.

But there's much that can be discussed, for sure.

I'll be posting some more.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Why thank you.

There's another form of 'budding' that humans do constantly, that is not often talked about, and certainly not understood. They DIE.

I had to read that a few times and inverse the idea of dying from the normal "shedding of the material body" to what I am thinking you're referring to here.

. . . certain aspects of humans faded away to nothing with death

interesting.

Reminds me of the legends of the Nagi snake gods of India having the ability to bestow immortality. One of them offered me immortality once, I thought about it and declined.

Then she said:

"I would bite you, you will die and live in this world forever."

"Manes"?

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

I understand your view (at least I think I am), though I disagree about "boundaries" of self. I believe it is rather "forged" while one's growth, and more data either become more available, or comprehensive, hence awareness growth.

If I use KPB's water metaphor; primordial water is mind, and the body "swim" in the water. Consciousness, as I see it, would be an ice structure, it requires both a water, and a body "swimming" for an ice structure to be build. In other words, the structure, like any, needs a foundation upon which to be build and an "intelligence" to actualize it.


a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Mind-control parasites? Now that's juicy!

Thanks for the link, I'm halfway through it. As an outcome of a compound, necessarily consciousness is not a "self", but it would be pointless in most case to be aware of it.

a reply to: IgnorantGod

Consciousness is a consistency checker process, that looks back at the data in an attempt to preserve it and ensure it is not altered. But this basic (possibly 'cosmic function') generally runs amok, then people have to become a 'Buddhist' to counteract the corruption.

To keep the data pure, one must draw a container around it.

You can see it in the evolution of the cell even!

I'm not actually big on 'consciousness'.

But it is a 'cosmic' emergent property.

When I find myself conscious, my conscience kicks in and I discuss this kind of stuff. ;-)

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

It pretty much goes back to your "strings" metaphor earlier as I understand it. The ramified "lower part" exhibits a kind of "self", or differentiation, properties similar to consciousness, without necessarily developping awareness within each "branch".

I may not put consciousness on a pedestral, it is nonetheless a fascinating topic. But I have a particular interest for patterns within the feedback loop of a body and its environment; how the two develop themselves from each other. Subsequently, it unfolds on relationships within a group of consciousness and the "cloud" it forms from each individual within the group.

originally posted by: IgnorantGod
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

It pretty much goes back to your "strings" metaphor earlier as I understand it. The ramified "lower part" exhibits a kind of "self", or differentiation, properties similar to consciousness, without necessarily developping awareness within each "branch".

I may not put consciousness on a pedestral, it is nonetheless a fascinating topic. But I have a particular interest for patterns within the feedback loop of a body and its environment; how the two develop themselves from each other. Subsequently, it unfolds on relationships within a group of consciousness and the "cloud" it forms from each individual within the group.

It IS fascinating.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

This isn't much of a link, but it's something:

en.wikipedia.org...

Lefthand path magicians discuss 'shells'.

You know, if you use the (incorrect) theosophy system of a human being living on say 7
levels (it's a variety of the cosmic man schtick),

then when a human dies, they shed parts of their (metaphor) "EM envelop".

It's loosely based on the Egyptian system:

en.wikipedia.org...

I actually have some personal experience with this subject matter..

but i'm still processing it; it was so traumatic.

a reply to: IgnorantGod

I understand your view (at least I think I am), though I disagree about "boundaries" of self. I believe it is rather "forged" while one's growth, and more data either become more available, or comprehensive, hence awareness growth.

You're probably correct there IgnorantGod.

The 'fairy's newborn empty shell' can also be called a blank.

My educated guess is that you are correct and a newborn human child's boundary of self is probably blank too and requires years of 'forging' as you say. I just haven't thought to look at human children.

If I use KPB's water metaphor; primordial water is mind, and the body "swim" in the water. Consciousness, as I see it, would be an ice structure, it requires both a water, and a body "swimming" for an ice structure to be build. In other words, the structure, like any, needs a foundation upon which to be build and an "intelligence" to actualize it.

Here is a question for you to think about;

An ice cube floating in a glass of water: What is between the water and the ice?