Is Tesla's Coil Really Feasible?

Yes It's me Night Star here in the science and technology forum. I'm actually asking a question for Hubby.

He would like to know, that if Tesla was to accomplish his goal of free electricity for the world, would he change the world's atmosphere?
Hubby says he is pretty sure that high voltage electricity makes ozone. Mankind can't breathe ozone, so how would Tesla's coil work?

a reply to: Night Star

Don’t think so, ozone is generally contained in the stratosphere and this technology I think would be interacting with the ionosphere which is at much higher altitudes.

Edit:

I believe the ozone is caused by discharge splitting oxygen molecules. I doubt the transmission power through the layers of our atmosphere would be high enough for this interaction to take place.

Wheres Phage?

originally posted by: Night Star
Yes It's me Night Star here in the science and technology forum. I'm actually asking a question for Hubby.

He would like to know, that if Tesla was to accomplish his goal of free electricity for the world, would he change the world's atmosphere?
Hubby says he is pretty sure that high voltage electricity makes ozone. Mankind can't breathe ozone, so how would Tesla's coil work?

Interesting question, I'm sure a Tesla coil does produce ozone, I believe any high voltage arc in air will. We do breath it in, when it rains, we can smell it a bit, but not high enough concentration to harm. It can be quite dangerous in higher concentration.

I have no idea what Tesla'a mechanism was going to be.

a reply to: Night Star

I personally would imagine attenuation over distance but at close range it certainly does work.

Remember Tesla did not know everything but he certainly would have found a way.


Now we assume it was to Broadcast energy but what if Tesla was actually working on Harvesting natural energy and we have not got that missing piece of his plan.


Also we are awfully arrogant in our current age to assume we are the first civilization with an understanding of these thing's and it is possible that there were those before us whom knew things we are yet to relearn.



(Plato's Atlantis was supposedly a temple - power station - with a hot and cold spring - steam turbine or advanced thermocouple technology - surrounded by concentric ring's - DC power through induction - supposedly possibly safer than AC as it does not cause that alternating frequency that interferes with the DNA or nervous system as many claim - and a city built atop those ring's?, super conducting rings carrying the induced free electricity so generated?)

There is also according to Linda Milton Howe, trust her or don't, an ANCIENT we are talking REALLY ANCIENT black pyramid in Alaska underground that is an ancient power plant - or is it something else, something that once flew? if that is it is even real.


So yes it work's but NOT in the way that most understand his plan, there are things still hidden at Wardenclyffe that need to be excavated and the FBI NEED to hand over his patent's since they illegally seized them from his hotel room after his death and probably not for national security as they claimed.

A search using GPR at Wardenclyffe also showed up hidden underground room's at the site that were directly under his tower and what is or was in them is still a mystery since as far as we know they have never been excavated and the site is now sealed due to it being highly toxic due to toxic fungus growing inside the old building.

It is also possible to turn Radio waves, all that EM pollution we put out and also natural radio signals into electricity though natural signals are usually not very powerful so not much power there.

a reply to: vonclod

I think the OP is referring to a Wardenclyffe tower and wireless transmission of electricity rather than arcing coils.

a reply to: vonclod

I have no idea what Tesla'a mechanism was going to be.

He thought he was transmitting electricity through the ground for his primary notion. He didn't really understand electromagnetic radiation.

He did speculate about a system which would use balloons to raise antennas to a high enough altitude where the atmosphere would be able to conduct electricity (as I recall he figured 30,000 feet would do it). But that would still have entailed a tremendous loss of power, just as his ground transmission notion did.

None of this has anything to do with "free energy", btw. His systems would have employed metering at the receiver sites.

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: Night Star
Yes It's me Night Star here in the science and technology forum. I'm actually asking a question for Hubby.

He would like to know, that if Tesla was to accomplish his goal of free electricity for the world, would he change the world's atmosphere?
Hubby says he is pretty sure that high voltage electricity makes ozone. Mankind can't breathe ozone, so how would Tesla's coil work?

Interesting question, I'm sure a Tesla coil does produce ozone, I believe any high voltage arc in air will. We do breath it in, when it rains, we can smell it a bit, but not high enough concentration to harm. It can be quite dangerous in higher concentration.

I have no idea what Tesla'a mechanism was going to be.

Night Star , your question is a little unclear since you apparently don't know what exactly Tesla worked on. I'll start with Vonclod's answer which was about one thing Tesla developed called a "tesla coil". Vonclod is right, that a powerful tesla coil does produce ozone. This is a Tesla coil, you can build one and run it inside a home like this one from wikipedia:

Tesla Coil


On youtube there was a video of a woman who was hacking with a terrible cough like her lungs were severely damaged, after operating a Tesla Coil in an unventilated basement for years. She paid an electrician to upgrade the main service in her house to supply the vast amounts of power the coil needed, but she didn't think to pay someone to put in ventilation to remove the ozone. In high concentrations, that ozone can have very nasty effects on the lungs. She said she was getting rid of the Tesla coil, but she didn't say why, and there was no indication if she even realized that Tesla coil was likely responsible for that terrible cough she had, it was really awful.

originally posted by: Night Star
Yes It's me Night Star here in the science and technology forum. I'm actually asking a question for Hubby.

He would like to know, that if Tesla was to accomplish his goal of free electricity for the world, would he change the world's atmosphere?
Hubby says he is pretty sure that high voltage electricity makes ozone. Mankind can't breathe ozone, so how would Tesla's coil work?

The "tesla coil" can be built, but that's not exactly what was supposed to accomplish Tesla's goal for electricity distribution. As you can see it's not connected to the Earth exactly, but Tesla wanted to send electricity through the Earth on a large scale. To do that he made a test/demonstration unit of a large tower, sometimes called "Tesla's folly" because Tesla refused to accept the science he was told explaining why it wouldn't do what he thought:

Tesla’s folly – why Wardenclyffe didn’t work
This is Tesla's diagram showing an analogy of how he thought his electricity distribution system would work, where the caption says most of the power would go through the ground:


This is the tower he built to actually test the idea:

So he built the tower, tried his idea based on bad science (explained in the article), and couldn't deal with the fact his science was wrong and he had a nervous breakdown. It never had a chance of working the way Tesla wanted for reasons explained in the article.

Now there's even more. Tesla had another wireless technology that didn't rely on sending electricity through the ground. It actually does work at close distances, though it's not efficient or practical for large scale electricity distribution but it makes an interesting science demonstrator, and you can find videos on youtube demonstrating that technology, like this:

Tesla Coil Wireless Energy and Resonance Demonstration

That actually does work and it's based on sound scientific principles (in that demonstration I doubt it's producing significant ozone), but note, it's not trying to send electricity through the ground like Tesla was trying to do at Wardenclyffe Tower. The demonstration is pretty good but the man talking doesn't seem to realize Tesla was trying to transmit power though the ground at Wardenclyffe tower, a common misunderstanding.

So many people seem to be confused about all these different technologies, and they see this wireless demonstrator working and think that Wardenclyffe tower should have worked too, but they don't seem to realize Tesla was trying to send electricity through the ground at Wardenclyffe tower, and the science for that is bad which is why it didn't work.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: vonclod

I have no idea what Tesla'a mechanism was going to be.

He thought he was transmitting electricity through the ground for his primary notion.

You're one of the rare people who gets this. It's amazing how many people talk about Tesla's dream of wireless power distribution, who don't seem to realize he was trying to send it through the ground.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: vonclod

I think the OP is referring to a Wardenclyffe tower and wireless transmission of electricity rather than arcing coils.

I'm sure you are correct, I was just relating the "Tesla Coil" would indeed produce Ozone. I wasn't sure if or how that related to his power transmission idea, or not. Looks like Phage has the scoop! And Arbitrageur!! nice, lots of info there

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: vonclod

I have no idea what Tesla'a mechanism was going to be.

He thought he was transmitting electricity through the ground for his primary notion. He didn't really understand electromagnetic radiation.

He did speculate about a system which would use balloons to raise antennas to a high enough altitude where the atmosphere would be able to conduct electricity (as I recall he figured 30,000 feet would do it). But that would still have entailed a tremendous loss of power, just as his ground transmission notion did.

None of this has anything to do with "free energy", btw. His systems would have employed metering at the receiver sites.

Thank you for that!

a reply to: Arbitrageur
Nice info!! I love the oscillator in the last vid, love old tubes, looks like a couple mercury rectifiers.

I remember seeing plasma arc tweeters, the best tweeters out there, but they do produce ozone..not sure I would want to do long daily listening sessions.

a reply to: vonclod

I played around with a little carbon arc rig (carbon rods from D cell batteries) when I was in 6th grade (I think it was). It produced a lot of O3 (love the smell). But it also fried my eyeballs. Woke up in the morning with my eyes feeling like they were full of sand.

Sort of a wonder I didn't burn the house down.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: vonclod

I played around with a little carbon arc rig (carbon rods from D cell batteries) when I was in 6th grade (I think it was). It produced a lot of O3 (love the smell). But it also fried my eyeballs. Woke up in the morning with my eyes feeling like they were full of sand.

Sort of a wonder I didn't burn the house down.

I remember seeing copperclad carbon rods at the shipyard, for gouging..wow, what a display! better have the leathers on if around those.

Your eyes..arc flash perhaps, no fun, happened to me..once..lol, was more careful after that.

originally posted by: Night Star
Yes It's me Night Star here in the science and technology forum. I'm actually asking a question for Hubby.

He would like to know, that if Tesla was to accomplish his goal of free electricity for the world, would he change the world's atmosphere?
Hubby says he is pretty sure that high voltage electricity makes ozone. Mankind can't breathe ozone, so how would Tesla's coil work?

The Tesla coil is basically one end of a spark gap.

In order to get “free” electricity, you would need a second one attached to some sort of power accumulator or generator.

His more important work was figuring out resonant energy which stores kinetic energy as electro-magnetic energy in copper coils.

Thanks to everyone who has replied!

I showed my Hubby the comments last night. He may have another question, but we were both tired last night. I may get back in here later today.

Oh, he wants to know how many tesla coils woud it take to generate enough electricity to cover the world? And...can it supply high voltage enough to supply heavy machinery with thousands of volts? If it's capable to do this, what would it do to the eco system such as birds and small animals as well as people and the atmosphere?

originally posted by: Night Star
Oh, he wants to know how many tesla coils woud it take to generate enough electricity to cover the world? And...can it supply high voltage enough to supply heavy machinery with thousands of volts? If it's capable to do this, what would it do to the eco system such as birds and small animals as well as people and the atmosphere?

They don’t generate electricity.

Think of a spark plug in your car. There is a gap at the end that a spark jumps over. A Tesla coil is one side of that gap.

The coiled copper moves as charge goes through it. Tesla figured out how to efficiently store that kinetic energy as electro-magnetic energy, turning the Tesla coil into a transformer, or a device that “transforms” energy output.

What you could do, theoretically, is attach a solar panel to it and convert the low voltage DC to high voltage AC, though. But you would still need two Tesla coils.

a reply to: rounda

A Tesla coil does not really store energy, kinetic or otherwise.

It is a high frequency oscillator circuit (which does, yes, include a capacitor) which transforms low frequency, low voltage, high current electricity (not kinetic energy) to high frequency, low current, high voltage electricity.


Electricity is not the same thing as electromagnetic energy.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: rounda

A Tesla coil does not store energy, kinetic or otherwise.

It is a high frequency oscillator which transforms low frequency, low voltage, high current electricity (not kinetic energy) to high frequency, low current, high voltage electricity.


Electricity is not the same thing as electromagnetic energy.

That’s what the resonant transformer part of the circuit is for.

Ever coiled wire around a nail and hooked it up to a battery? Electro-magnetism.

a reply to: rounda

That’s what the resonant transformer part of the circuit is for.

Yes. I know. But it doesn't store kinetic energy, or electromagnetic energy. It does however, produce quite a lot of electromagnetic "noise."

It's an electrical circuit.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: rounda

That’s what the resonant transformer part of the circuit is for.

Yes. I know. But it doesn't store anything. Not kinetic energy, not electromagnetic energy.

Yes it does. The coils physically oscillate. And storing that energy is how the voltage is transformed to high voltage...

He diagrams it quite clearly in his patents.

Coil wire around a nail and attach it to a battery. You now have an electro-magnet.

Tesla believed magnetism was the driving force of the universe.