Video shows polls workers pulling out suitcases of ballots | GA election hearing.

a reply to: pianopraze

The part where lady hides suitcases with ballots at 8 am?

I didn't see any "hiding" of anything.

The part where they send everyone hone saying done for the night?

I didn't hear that on the video, that's what the lady narrating said happened. I have no idea if that's actually true.

The part where they pull out suitcases At 11pm and ballots are inside Which they then run with no one watching?

I don't know that no one was watching. We all saw the video, so someone was "watching".

6 pages in to this thread and it is the same response from those Libs who support Biden.



If you want to give them the benefit of the doubt, you can call it 'willful ignorance.' Or....as someone else mentioned...perhaps these are the positions of enemy combatants. This moves beyond just political differences. These people are trying to STEAL our election for the purposes of deconstructing everything that makes America who and what she is. They want to tear down the Constitution. They want to pack the court. They want to change America beyond all recognition....

It does not matter WHAT evidence is shown to these people because THIS is what they want. It is what they paid for with Dominion and buying out the media. There is NO RATIONALIZATION with these people.

So at this point, why continue trying? Maybe that is a cynical point of view, but I'm sick of the Bull$@#%. I'm sick of the gaslighting. And I will no longer be diplomatic about it. We have moved beyond that point.

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: johnnylaw16
Don't be #in stupid. It doesn't say you can lie and pretend to stop counting to get rid of observers either, now does it? I swear to god, no wonder every revolution it's always the lawyers they line up and shot first.

We don't know what the video shows. We know what one person claims that it shows and lot of other speculation about what it could shows. What we do know, from, you know, reading, is that that the excerpted statute does not say that counting must stop when monitors are not present, as the post originally claimed. That's all I am pointing out.

a reply to: havok

Democrats were not going to trust the electorate to vote in Biden.

They made that mistake with Hillary.

They cheated.

Plain and simple.

a reply to: johnnylaw16

I actually have first hand experiences with people so controlled by the media they go in hysteria over certain things. When Trump became president a few of my gay friends went over the cliff that he was going to single handedly abolish gay marriage. Their freedoms were gone, life as they knew it, over.

Never happened.

More recently a female friend of mine heard on Facebook Amy Coney Barret was going to reverse abortion rights. Over turn Roe V.S. Wade all by herself in some kind of decree. Obviously it's too early to say that didn't happen but I'm going to go out on a limb here.

It's not going to happen.

a reply to: johnnylaw16
So what is your dumbass theory then? People that decided to donate their time to help ensure a fair election, all just decided to go home for no reason at the same time? I don't even know why I am bothering with you.

originally posted by: CIAGypsy
6 pages in to this thread and it is the same response from those Libs who support Biden.

If you want to give them the benefit of the doubt, you can call it 'willful ignorance.' Or....as someone else mentioned...perhaps these are the positions of enemy combatants. This moves beyond just political differences. These people are trying to STEAL our election for the purposes of deconstructing everything that makes America who and what she is. They want to tear down the Constitution. They want to pack the court. They want to change America beyond all recognition....

It does not matter WHAT evidence is shown to these people because THIS is what they want. It is what they paid for with Dominion and buying out the media. There is NO RATIONALIZATION with these people.

So at this point, why continue trying? Maybe that is a cynical point of view, but I'm sick of the Bull$@#%. I'm sick of the gaslighting. And I will no longer be diplomatic about it. We have moved beyond that point.

I'm literally not talking about what I want. I am critiquing Trump's legal strategy and explaining how judges will view this stuff. So far my takes are holding up quite well.

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: johnnylaw16
So what is your dumbass theory then? People that decided to donate their time to help ensure a fair election, all just decided to go home for no reason at the same time? I don't even know why I am bothering with you.

First off, no need for us to get personal. I've done my part to escalate things too, but I'm really not trying troll you or anyone else, and it can get frustrating on both sides.

Second, all I am saying and all I have been saying is that if this evidence is what it is claimed Rudy should put it in front of a judge an explain that. We a see a random video and are told to trust that it shows fraud and malfeasance. Rudy should take it to court if it is what he says it is. There, the other side will be able to put forth their version of events too, and a judge will be able to weigh counter evidence and decide whether evidence is reliable or not. From my experience, there is no reason not to have already done this unless the evidence isn't what is being claimed. I don't see how this is anything but a natural, rational theory.

a reply to: johnnylaw16 in other words, I’m sure the judge(s) will be thinking what I am
“Doth my eyes deceive me?” Lol

Also all I gotta say here is I got Georgia On My Mind

Even Ray Charles can see what’s goin on here

a reply to: johnnylaw16
The spirit of the law is obvious. Unless you are looking to try and find loopholes to cheat that is. It's to make sure that both parties can see that it was not a sham.

I can think of no other plausible reason that these people donating their own free time, would all just up and leave like that, unless they thought their services were no longer needed. Because they were stopping the counting for the night. Can you think of any?

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: johnnylaw16
The spirit of the law is obvious. Unless you are looking to try and find loopholes to cheat that is. It's to make sure that both parties can see that it was not a sham.

I can think of no other plausible reason that these people donating their own free time, would all just up and leave like that, unless they thought their services were no longer needed. Because they were stopping the counting for the night. Can you think of any?

I have no idea. I don't know what the hell the video is showing. Neither do you. Let's wait for it to be entered into an adversarial process. That's why we have a justice system.

originally posted by: johnnylaw16

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: johnnylaw16
So what is your dumbass theory then? People that decided to donate their time to help ensure a fair election, all just decided to go home for no reason at the same time? I don't even know why I am bothering with you.

First off, no need for us to get personal. I've done my part to escalate things too, but I'm really not trying troll you or anyone else, and it can get frustrating on both sides.

Second, all I am saying and all I have been saying is that if this evidence is what it is claimed Rudy should put it in front of a judge an explain that. We a see a random video and are told to trust that it shows fraud and malfeasance. Rudy should take it to court if it is what he says it is. There, the other side will be able to put forth their version of events too, and a judge will be able to weigh counter evidence and decide whether evidence is reliable or not. From my experience, there is no reason not to have already done this unless the evidence isn't what is being claimed. I don't see how this is anything but a natural, rational theory.

It’s been 10 years since I logged on. I have been a long time
Lurker and ever since this disputed election I have thoroughly enjoyed everyone’s posts. I did some digging into the GA State election law per your request regarding if the tabulation of the ballots have to be shut down if poll watchers leave. The law states that the tabulation has to be done in public. Now a locked room doesn’t seem public to me. Here is the link:


rules.sos.state.ga.us...

“The tabulation and consolidation shall be performed in public. However, the election superintendent may make reasonable rules and regulations for conduct at the tabulating center for the security of the results and the returns and to avoid interference with the tabulating center personnel.“

originally posted by: network dude
There is no election fraud. Barr said so.

First of all, the DOJ hasn't interviewed ANYONE whom has come forward as a witness.

Second of all, the witnesses include hispanics, blacks, Asians, and white which includes registered democrats, as well as independents that didn't even vote. All are stating they saw fraud.

originally posted by: Brassmonkey

originally posted by: johnnylaw16

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: johnnylaw16
So what is your dumbass theory then? People that decided to donate their time to help ensure a fair election, all just decided to go home for no reason at the same time? I don't even know why I am bothering with you.

First off, no need for us to get personal. I've done my part to escalate things too, but I'm really not trying troll you or anyone else, and it can get frustrating on both sides.

Second, all I am saying and all I have been saying is that if this evidence is what it is claimed Rudy should put it in front of a judge an explain that. We a see a random video and are told to trust that it shows fraud and malfeasance. Rudy should take it to court if it is what he says it is. There, the other side will be able to put forth their version of events too, and a judge will be able to weigh counter evidence and decide whether evidence is reliable or not. From my experience, there is no reason not to have already done this unless the evidence isn't what is being claimed. I don't see how this is anything but a natural, rational theory.

It’s been 10 years since I logged on. I have been a long time
Lurker and ever since this disputed election I have thoroughly enjoyed everyone’s posts. I did some digging into the GA State election law per your request regarding if the tabulation of the ballots have to be shut down if poll watchers leave. The law states that the tabulation has to be done in public. Now a locked room doesn’t seem public to me. Here is the link:


rules.sos.state.ga.us...

“The tabulation and consolidation shall be performed in public. However, the election superintendent may make reasonable rules and regulations for conduct at the tabulating center for the security of the results and the returns and to avoid interference with the tabulating center personnel.“

I also want to add that It didn’t appear to seem from the video that the workers were under any type of duress or possible interference or there were any security issues that would warrant a supervisor to lock the room.

originally posted by: johnnylaw16

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: putnam6

Could you point me to the OCGA citation for "ballots need to be secured if there were no observers present"?

I'd like to research that question further, if you have time.

Lol it's rather long but think parts below apply, it is however from 2014 I believe it's been jacked up even more AFTER THE 2018 Gubernatorial race Kemp VS Abrams

law.justia.com...


2014 Georgia Code
Title 21 - ELECTIONS
Chapter 2 - ELECTIONS AND PRIMARIES GENERALLY
Article 10 - ABSENTEE VOTING
§ 21-2-386 - Safekeeping, certification, and validation of absentee ballots; rejection of ballot; delivery of ballots to manager; duties of managers; precinct returns; notification of challenged elector
Universal Citation: GA Code § 21-2-386 (2014)
(a) (1) (A) The board of registrars or absentee ballot clerk shall keep safely, unopened, and stored in a manner that will prevent tampering and unauthorized access all official absentee ballots received from absentee electors prior to the closing of the polls on the day of the primary or election except as otherwise provided in this subsection.


And her is the pertinent information I believe

(3) A county election superintendent may, in his or her discretion, after 7:00 A.M. on the day of the primary, election, or runoff open the inner envelopes in accordance with the procedures prescribed in this subsection and begin tabulating the absentee ballots. If the county election superintendent chooses to open the inner envelopes and begin tabulating such ballots prior to the close of the polls on the day of the primary, election, or runoff, the superintendent shall notify in writing, at least seven days prior to the primary, election, or runoff, the Secretary of State of the superintendent's intent to begin the absentee ballot tabulation prior to the close of the polls. The county executive committee or, if there is no organized county executive committee,the state executive committee of each political party and political body having candidates whose names appear on the ballot for such election in such county shall have the right to designate two persons and each independent and nonpartisan candidate whose name appears on the ballot for such election in such county shall have the right to designate one person to act as monitors for such process. In the event that the only issue to be voted upon in an election is a referendum question, the superintendent shall also notify in writing the chief judge of the superior court of the county who shall appoint two electors of the county to monitor such process.

I don't know whether there are other requirements of GA law, but the provision you quote above in red does not require observers. It says that both parties can appoint observers. It does not say that counting must stop if observers are not present.

#1 I said it's from 2014 and it has been made even more secure partially from Stacy Abrams insisting on changes in 2018.
she even stated the same code during her petition in 2018. Stacy Abrams was the Democrat challenger who lost a hard
fought and contentious close campaign.

#2 Regardless we are supposed to believe in the crucial county of Georgia, the most corrupt and volatile county the
Republicans waived their right

#3 Again the citing of this statute wasn't ever challenged once and again everything under the sun was challenged or questioned by both sides and especially from Democrats.

One of the issues tightened up because of her lawsuits were more robust laws regarding observers

www.vox.com...

It is unclear if the Georgia lawsuit will be victorious when it lands in court, as Hasen explained, some of the suit’s claims will require proving intentional racial discrimination, a charge that has seen mixed success in federal court in recent years. Georgia officials also argue that the suit inappropriately asks the court to intervene in the state’s election system, a matter that the state believes should be left to lawmakers.

But that claim dismisses the wave of legal action courts have already taken when it comes to Georgia’s election system. In the weeks before and after the 2018 election, lawsuits challenging parts of Georgia’s election system, like the exact match registration rule and the rejection of some absentee ballots, did end in victories for civil rights groups. It’s possible that given those rulings, citing these issues collectively will help make the case that Georgia’s system is so flawed that it must be changed.

If that does happen, it would accomplish a significant thing that could have an effect beyond Georgia, firmly establishing that voting restrictions and their effects on voters of color are about more than any single election.

They were taking it easy with millions from
Zuk.

This is damning. Long live President Trump.
Guilliani said the Ga Legislature had smoke
coming out of their ears when they saw the video. Thank god for patriotic whistle blowers.


C'mon build back better fraud.


a reply to: Brassmonkey

I see some comments saying that we don't know for sure that the people were told to go home because the counting would stop for the night, but the media reported exactly that on election night. They absolutely said they would stop counting for the night. Trump was ahead, then everyone woke up and Biden somehow jumped way up.

Giuliani and his team presented what they say is new evidence of security camera video from State Farm Arena. They say it shows Fulton County workers illegally counting ballots after GOP observers left the building.

But the Georgia Secretary of State’s Office said it already investigated these claims and found nothing. They said they had their own observers there the whole time who saw nothing.

WSB-TV Channel 2 Atlanta

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Giuliani and his team presented what they say is new evidence of security camera video from State Farm Arena. They say it shows Fulton County workers illegally counting ballots after GOP observers left the building.

But the Georgia Secretary of State’s Office said it already investigated these claims and found nothing. They said they had their own observers there the whole time who saw nothing.

WSB-TV Channel 2 Atlanta

Oh yes,criminal investigates self finds nothing wrong,film at 11.

A star witness for the Trump campaign was unable to back up claims that fraudulent ballots were "injected" into the vote count in Georgia when questioned during a hearing on Thursday.

Retired Army Col. Phil Waldron, who was called to testify at the Georgia state Senate hearing by President Donald Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, could not confirm allegations that a video showing bags being "pulled from a table" by election workers contained fraudulent ballots when questioned by Democratic Senator Jen Jordan.

"Are you trying to say that, in the video, what you saw were ballots that were somehow not lawful, that weren't real, that weren't actually cast by registered voters in the state of Georgia?" Jordan asked Waldron during the hearing.

"We do have affidavits of people who trucked in ballots from out of state into other states," Waldron replied.

Jordan then asked Waldron to clarify if he was claiming that truckloads of ballots had been moved into Georgia.

"Not into Georgia," Waldron admitted

Newsweek Dec. 3 2020