The Amy Coney Barrett Abortion Arms Race Is On

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Arizonaguy

I should remind you that Roe V Wade was established under a predominately Republican Supreme Court, under a Republican President, and was supported by Christian clergy. I should also remind you that plenty of Republican women, Catholics and so called Born Again Christians also get abortions.

Abortions, they're not just for liberals.

Republican does not mean conservative
The Berger court is widely acknowledged as the most liberal in our history, despite the party affiliations of it's membership
and just because some clergy members approve of abortion doesn't make it a tenet of that religion
P.S.
what you have just done is use the appeal to authority logical fallacy
5 down
10 to go
keep em coming!

a reply to: Willtell

We got over it when it was introduced and you'll get over it when it's taken away. This is why laws shouldn't be broken to give a segment of society what they want, it makes things worse when you take it back. Welfare should be treated in the same manner, make people earn their keep.

a reply to: Arizonaguy

They're Marxist-Communist AntiFA scum too who demand others do everything for them (even eat and breathe) without paying a dime.

MAGA abort baby Stalin.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Not angry at all, just correcting someone who is wrong. It is a shame that, finding yourself to be in error, you lash out hysterically at the individual rightly correcting you. Sad.

a reply to: Arizonaguy

The Berger court is widely acknowledged as the most liberal in our history, despite the party affiliations of it's membership

BS! I suppose you think Nixon was a liberal too?

This article discusses the United States Supreme Court during Warren E. Burger's tenure as Chief Justice of the United States.
The personnel changes that caused the shift from the liberal activism of the Warren era to the conservatism of the Burger era

The transition from the liberalism of the Warren era to the conservatism of the Burger era took place with unusual speed.

The dramatic shift from liberalism to conservatism on the Court was the result of a failed effort by the liberals to pack the Court before the end of Lyndon Johnson's presidency

digitalcommons.law.scu.edu...://www.bing.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1867&context=lawreview

what you have just done is use the appeal to authority logical fallacy

No. I'm calling out the hypocrisy of saying that abortion is a leftist ideology. Today, just as many conservatives and religious people are getting abortions as there were conservatives and religious people supporting a woman's right to abortion in 1973. Abortion is not a left or right issue.

It's a woman's health issue.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

The Burger Court is generally considered to be the last liberal court to date
The Burger Court is generally considered to be the last liberal court to date
The Burger Court is generally considered to be the last liberal court to date
The Burger Court is generally considered to be the last liberal court to date
The Burger Court is generally considered to be the last liberal court to date
The Burger Court is generally considered to be the last liberal court to date
The Burger Court is generally considered to be the last liberal court to date
The Burger Court is generally considered to be the last liberal court to date
The Burger Court is generally considered to be the last liberal court to date

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Not angry at all, just correcting someone who is wrong. It is a shame that, finding yourself to be in error, you lash out hysterically at the individual rightly correcting you. Sad.

So now you're saying that you're okay with a woman choosing NOT to have an abortion, even though you were complaining about how men have no choice, and have to pay child support. And in the same breath you criticize women seeking abortion, stereotyping them as guilty of having irresponsible sex and not accepting the consequence for their [immoral] action.

Someone's thinking is "wrong", and it's not mine.

a reply to: Arizonaguy

OOOOO! WIKIPEDIA!

You said:

The Berger court is widely acknowledged as the most liberal in our history, despite the party affiliations of it's membership

Then you say, repeatedly, like that makes it truer:

The Burger Court is generally considered to be the last liberal court to date

Let me know when Republican women, conservative women and religious women willingly agree to stop having abortions. In the meantime...reread this conservative woman's post...www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Sookiechacha
The amazing thing about Wikipedia is that they use footnotes to source their work
This instance shows this: archive.org...
The point being that you tried to portray the court as having a conservative bias
it didn't
edit: Blasi isn't some crusty paleoconservative commentator
he's a well respected Liberal Law professor at Columbia and a huge free speech advocate
If he labels the Burger Court liberal, then it's probably fairly liberal

a reply to: Arizonaguy

It was a predominately Republican court. FACT! Abortion wasn't considered a "liberal" issue. Conservatives robustly supported the ruling.

Abortion isn't about politics. It's about a woman's autonomy and her choice when and whether to start or add to her family.
www.postalley.org...

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Don't misrepresent the conservative response to abortion
many conservatives didn't oppose abortion
but they also believed that the federal government didn't have the authority to force states to comply with this ruling

a reply to: Arizonaguy

There have been plenty of examples of a conservative Supreme Court ruling that a state law was unconstitutional. All states must comply with the US Constitution. It's not about force, it's about standards of governance.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Arizonaguy

There have been plenty of examples of a conservative Supreme Court ruling that a state law was unconstitutional. All states must comply with the US Constitution. It's not about force, it's about standards of governance.

I'm sure that you can point to the section of the constitution that mandates that states must allow abortion on demand

a reply to: Willtell

a reply to: Arizonaguy

Are you trying to say that Roe V Wade wasn't decided on constitutional merits?

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: Willtell

We got over it when it was introduced and you'll get over it when it's taken away. This is why laws shouldn't be broken to give a segment of society what they want, it makes things worse when you take it back. Welfare should be treated in the same manner, make people earn their keep.

It’s not my issue to get over.

I am a male and don’t have any children( I hope) and don’t want any children.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Arizonaguy

Are you trying to say that Roe V Wade wasn't decided on constitutional merits?

Anytime a decision made includes additional instructions it's called legislating from the bench
the court decided a woman has a right to privacy
But that privacy was not absolute
it then listed terms and conditions for allowing and denying abortion, divided by trimesters
No, I don't believe that the entirety of the decision was based on sound Constitutional ground

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Arizonaguy

The Berger court is widely acknowledged as the most liberal in our history, despite the party affiliations of it's membership

BS! I suppose you think Nixon was a liberal too?

This article discusses the United States Supreme Court during Warren E. Burger's tenure as Chief Justice of the United States.
The personnel changes that caused the shift from the liberal activism of the Warren era to the conservatism of the Burger era

The transition from the liberalism of the Warren era to the conservatism of the Burger era took place with unusual speed.

The dramatic shift from liberalism to conservatism on the Court was the result of a failed effort by the liberals to pack the Court before the end of Lyndon Johnson's presidency

digitalcommons.law.scu.edu...://www.bing.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1867&context=lawreview

what you have just done is use the appeal to authority logical fallacy

No. I'm calling out the hypocrisy of saying that abortion is a leftist ideology. Today, just as many conservatives and religious people are getting abortions as there were conservatives and religious people supporting a woman's right to abortion in 1973. Abortion is not a left or right issue.

It's a woman's health issue.

Wrong. It's the life of an unborn baby issue. You know, the one that doesn't have a choice.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: HalWesten

originally posted by: Guyfriday
The Abortion Issue, is only complicated by the issue of many of the people wanting abortion to be legal, also want the Death Penalty abolished. So at a very basic level how can taking a life in one situation be ok while it is not ok in another?

Until the pro-choice side and come to terms with that paradox, they are going to be on the losing end of any logical discussion over the matter.

I have never understood how it's ok to kill an unborn baby but not ok to kill a murderer of a person of any age that has been born.

That just screams hypocrisy.

So, you're opposed to stand your ground laws?

Nice try, divert the discussion somewhere else.

You can't possibly think that's even in the same ballpark. If you do you may want to do some soul-searching.

a reply to: SKEPTEK

Yeah, that's the op subject I posted about Trump.www.abovetopsecret.com...

Its called what the Nazis did so successfully in Germany during WWII

The Big Lie...

Joseph Goebbels, the notorious Nazi Propaganda minister was a big practitioner of the Big Lie.