“Trump is not going to win. I made effing sure of that”.

a reply to: circuitsports

As of right now 54% of all Americans - from both sides feel the election was rigged -

I'm late to the meeting - but - do you have a source for this?

a reply to: KansasGirl

I eat animals that eat plants so there!

originally posted by: VeeTNA
a reply to: circuitsports

As of right now 54% of all Americans - from both sides feel the election was rigged -

I'm late to the meeting - but - do you have a source for this?

Several sites are quoting cnbc as saying only 3% of trump voters find election legit

A Rasmussen poll said 20% of Dems found it very likely, 10% said it was somewhat likely the election was stolen.

Newsmax claiming 2/3 support recounts

a reply to: Klassified

Today, CNN is calling the Smartmatic-Dominion vote tampering evidence shared by Sidney Powell in her lawsuits, a Conspiracy Theory.

But in 2015, CNN ran an alarming segment describing how Smartmatic had infiltrated the United States of America.

Here is a portion of that segment.. Twitter is deleting this clip as fast as it can be posted. But thus far, YouTube is allowing it to stay.

a reply to: Klassified
The left don't really care. The end justifies the means.

There was a time I would have fought for them if I thought there rights were being violated. Not so sure I would do that now.

originally posted by: carewemust
Biden won just 16.7% of U.S. counties. Six big counties are responsible for his win. They were significantly padded with Biden votes by the Dominion software...and "fake" absentee ballots.

Allegedly. Until you have proof, it is alleged. Don't be fake news.

a reply to: carewemust
I heard about this but had not seen it. I'm not surprised Jack Dorkey is removing it as fast as it can be posted.

a reply to: HalWesten

Psssst! Did you notice what type of suit she filed? Hint: Not criminal and not Federal.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: uncommitted

I'm curious why people keep believing things that known liars say when they always promise proof that never comes?

Fair enough... But people believe lots of things that they have no way of knowing. Indeed, people believe lots of things in direct contradiction to what all facts and material reality tell us.

For example, how many people believe there is no evidence... or maybe flimsy evidence... or whatever minimizing and undermining adjective they can put in front of "evidence"... people with absolutely no personal knowledge, but they think they know anyway.

How is it that people with minds to think and reason... eyes to see... ears to listen... but no personal experience or knowledge... so easily dismiss and ignore the people swearing affidavits under penalty of perjury to their personal knowledge and experience of election fraud?

What I do know is that Sidney Powell, Rudy Giuliani, Lin Wood, et al, are risking everything with their claims. I don't know of any good reason to do so if the claims are not true, and they do not have the evidence to back their claims up.

On the other hand, I also know that if the Dems had nothing to hide, THEY would be supplying the evidence disproving the fraud claims... not doing anything and everything to hide, misrepresent, and otherwise undermine those claiming voter fraud.

At this point, there is absolutely no doubt that fraud took place. The only question is to what extent (enough to change the outcome of the election?) and by whom. And why some people don't want to know...

It would be tricky to selectively snip your post (as you did mine) without keeping in the point. Powell and Giuliani have made claims, Giuliani appears to even sweated hair dye over it - claims with nothing but hyperbole. When you say they are risking everything - what exactly is that? What exactly is that apart from ridicule, do you think Giuliani is currently held in high regard.

No, to your last point - how do you disprove fraud apart from by showing the votes - legitimate votes - that have now been scrutinised several times with no evidence of fraud that would stand up in a court (rather than in a conspiracy website) - what more would you expect to be done?

originally posted by: Drucifer
Just want to make this clear-

If it all this fraud is proved in court, I will apologize individually and sincerely to all whom I had a chuckle over within the last two weeks. Within those same apologies, I will admit my wrong and maybe even take a picture of me eating a crow. Of course, I’m plant-based, so it’ll have be some kind of crow-like protein made from chickpeas or something, but regardless, I’ll eat it.

And I will also consider a win for Trump towards draining the swamp, even if it was done by proxy and not the way he surely intended it to happen.I’ve said over the last 4 years that I thought the best thing Trump did for America was draw attention to politics. I still stand by that and the proof of that is the voter turnout this year. (Unless, of course, it’s proven that millions of extra votes were falsified).

All that, of course, is reliant on me not being locked up in a loony bin first because if I get to see a sh*tload of politicians getting locked up, I’m most definitely going to run naked through the streets, frolicking, skipping, prancing, moshing, doing backflips off trash cans, pirouettes, all while laughing hysterically with tears of joy streaming down my face.

That's the beauty of Trump, him being the center of attention brings alot of attention to the things around him.

He certainly has opened Americas eyes. As a result, he's earned over 70 million dedicated supporters, Facts.

a reply to: uncommitted

It would be tricky to selectively snip your post (as you did mine)...

Selectively snip in what way? I agreed your point was fair enough, and then expanded on your point.

...without keeping in the point.

Just to clarify your point, I'll include it here:

I'm curious why people keep believing things that known liars say when they always promise proof that never comes?

...Powell and Giuliani have made claims...

And provided much evidence, starting with eyewitness affidavits sworn under penalty of perjury, which frequently corroborate other eyewitness affidavits sworn under penalty of perjury, and including mathematical and statistical analysis of available relevant data.

Giuliani appears to even sweated hair dye over it...

And this is important to the fraud allegations in no way... only to the pathetic depths of personal ridicule and attacks that the left has sunk to.

...claims with nothing but hyperbole...

"Nothing but" hyperbole? Indeed.

Yes, there has been some hyperbole from Team Trump and others challenging the election's integrity, but certainly not all hyperbole. As noted above. If anyone has been guilty of "nothing but hyperbole," it is those who have falsely elevated the legitimacy of Biden's president elect status, and grossly misrepresented and undermined the legitimate claims of fraud, many of which show a pattern of abuse and coordination. Specifically, the media, the political critters, and Big Tech.

When you say they are risking everything - what exactly is that?

They are risking their reputations, their business relations and positions, their ability to practice law, their personal relationships, legal liabilities... quite a bit.

What exactly is that apart from ridicule, do you think Giuliani is currently held in high regard.

I completely understand that his detractors (and enemies) have resorted to ridicule and mockery. Which says more about his detractors (and enemies) than it does about Giuliani. And I also completely understand that Giuliani is held in very high esteem by many. Including, but not limited to, Trump supporters who appreciate his efforts on behalf of their candidate. I also know that Guiliani's name and reputation is not solely dependent on today's events, and that many respect and appreciate his past achievements.

No, to your last point - how do you disprove fraud apart from by showing the votes - legitimate votes - that have now been scrutinised several times with no evidence of fraud that would stand up in a court (rather than in a conspiracy website) - what more would you expect to be done?

You really can't think of anything???

Let's start by verifying that all ballots are actually legitimate and came from eligible voters. Then removing those illegitimate ballots and votes from the record, thus ensuring that the count actually represents legitimate votes. It's all fine and well for you to pay lip service to "legitimate" votes, but if you aren't prepared and willing to actually confirm the legitimacy, then it's only believing what one cannot know, which is the point I was making in expanding on your point.

Perhaps then we can move on to addressing Republican and independent observers prevented from observing. Is there no way to verify that Republican and Independent observers were not removed and/or prohibited from observing? Is there no way to verify that NO VOTES -- not even one -- were counted and recorded outside the presence of Republican and Independent observers? If there is no way to verify, then it's impossible to say if it happened or not, which brings me back to the expansion of your point about those who believe what they have no way of knowing.

And this doesn't include the expanded options in an actual court of law, with subpoena powers for additional data, records and documentation that is not now available to the attorneys.

We actually do not know what will "stand up" in a court of law unless and until the evidence is presented in a court of law. And it looks like that will happen first in Nevada.

a reply to: Boadicea

So basically you don't have anything. Non registered want to be observers weren't allowed entry to some votes because - as I'm sure you really know - they needed to be registered as observers. Please name the voting locations where registered observers were not allowed entry. You can't just walk in and demand to see how other people are voting.

You really do seem to be reaching a little.

originally posted by: uncommitted
a reply to: Boadicea

So basically you don't have anything.

LOL! I don't have to have anything!!! I'm not the prosecutor, judge nor juror.

Non registered want to be observers weren't allowed entry to some votes because - as I'm sure you really know - they needed to be registered as observers. Please name the voting locations where registered observers were not allowed entry. You can't just walk in and demand to see how other people are voting.

And, as I'm sure you know, that is neither the only nor the most serious issue. But you can pretend it is. Or you can do better. I don't really care. But I'm not jumping through your hoops.

You really do seem to be reaching a little.

Indeed.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: uncommitted

It would be tricky to selectively snip your post (as you did mine)...

Selectively snip in what way? I agreed your point was fair enough, and then expanded on your point.

...without keeping in the point.

Just to clarify your point, I'll include it here:

I'm curious why people keep believing things that known liars say when they always promise proof that never comes?

...Powell and Giuliani have made claims...

And provided much evidence, starting with eyewitness affidavits sworn under penalty of perjury, which frequently corroborate other eyewitness affidavits sworn under penalty of perjury, and including mathematical and statistical analysis of available relevant data.

Giuliani appears to even sweated hair dye over it...

And this is important to the fraud allegations in no way... only to the pathetic depths of personal ridicule and attacks that the left has sunk to.

...claims with nothing but hyperbole...

"Nothing but" hyperbole? Indeed.

Yes, there has been some hyperbole from Team Trump and others challenging the election's integrity, but certainly not all hyperbole. As noted above. If anyone has been guilty of "nothing but hyperbole," it is those who have falsely elevated the legitimacy of Biden's president elect status, and grossly misrepresented and undermined the legitimate claims of fraud, many of which show a pattern of abuse and coordination. Specifically, the media, the political critters, and Big Tech.

When you say they are risking everything - what exactly is that?

They are risking their reputations, their business relations and positions, their ability to practice law, their personal relationships, legal liabilities... quite a bit.

What exactly is that apart from ridicule, do you think Giuliani is currently held in high regard.

I completely understand that his detractors (and enemies) have resorted to ridicule and mockery. Which says more about his detractors (and enemies) than it does about Giuliani. And I also completely understand that Giuliani is held in very high esteem by many. Including, but not limited to, Trump supporters who appreciate his efforts on behalf of their candidate. I also know that Guiliani's name and reputation is not solely dependent on today's events, and that many respect and appreciate his past achievements.

No, to your last point - how do you disprove fraud apart from by showing the votes - legitimate votes - that have now been scrutinised several times with no evidence of fraud that would stand up in a court (rather than in a conspiracy website) - what more would you expect to be done?

You really can't think of anything???

Let's start by verifying that all ballots are actually legitimate and came from eligible voters. Then removing those illegitimate ballots and votes from the record, thus ensuring that the count actually represents legitimate votes. It's all fine and well for you to pay lip service to "legitimate" votes, but if you aren't prepared and willing to actually confirm the legitimacy, then it's only believing what one cannot know, which is the point I was making in expanding on your point.

Perhaps then we can move on to addressing Republican and independent observers prevented from observing. Is there no way to verify that Republican and Independent observers were not removed and/or prohibited from observing? Is there no way to verify that NO VOTES -- not even one -- were counted and recorded outside the presence of Republican and Independent observers? If there is no way to verify, then it's impossible to say if it happened or not, which brings me back to the expansion of your point about those who believe what they have no way of knowing.

And this doesn't include the expanded options in an actual court of law, with subpoena powers for additional data, records and documentation that is not now available to the attorneys.

We actually do not know what will "stand up" in a court of law unless and until the evidence is presented in a court of law. And it looks like that will happen first in Nevada.

If there was any actual, legitimate evidence of voter fraud, it would have been presented in court already. I explain why more fully over here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

There is a reason that we are not seeing Trump's attorney's put this stuff forward: it doesn't exist or it isn't credible. Lawyers have a duty to investigate claims before making them to a court. If in their investigation, Trump's attorneys had found any credible evidence of mass fraud they would have put it forward. They have not put it forward, and thus, we can conclude that they have not found anything.

a reply to: johnnylaw16
I can believe you or I can believe the attorneys I've talked to in person about this.

Thinking......

Yeah, I think I will take their word over yours.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: johnnylaw16
I can believe you or I can believe the attorneys I've talked to in person about this.

Thinking......

Yeah, I think I will take their word over yours.

Cool. Care to explain what they are saying?

Heck, we talked about this weeks ago on GLP. This rabbit hole would take years to prosecute.




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This is old, but it's interesting. The article has a clip of lou dobbs and sidney

www.americanthinker.com...

originally posted by: Hogleg
Heck, we talked about this weeks ago on GLP. This rabbit hole would take years to prosecute.




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There is literally nothing to prosecute. No one has even established fraud in sea of civil cases being filed, and no one even talking about it in the criminal context.

originally posted by: johnnylaw16

originally posted by: Hogleg
Heck, we talked about this weeks ago on GLP. This rabbit hole would take years to prosecute.




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There is literally nothing to prosecute. No one has even established fraud in sea of civil cases being filed, and no one even talking about it in the criminal context.

Dude, I'm saying it would take years to collect proof, witnesses, sworn statements, dead folks, etc. this can of worms is digital that's a whole different ball game. So, they probably covered their tracks by now....... If you researched this topic you would better understand our bewilderment of folks like you, nothing happened, you can't prove it, doesn't matter any way.

$H!T happened,,,deal with it.

originally posted by: Hogleg

originally posted by: johnnylaw16

originally posted by: Hogleg
Heck, we talked about this weeks ago on GLP. This rabbit hole would take years to prosecute.




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There is literally nothing to prosecute. No one has even established fraud in sea of civil cases being filed, and no one even talking about it in the criminal context.

Dude, I'm saying it would take years to collect proof, witnesses, sworn statements, dead folks, etc. this can of worms is digital that's a whole different ball game. So, they probably covered their tracks by now....... If you researched this topic you would better understand our bewilderment of folks like you, nothing happened, you can't prove it, doesn't matter any way.

$H!T happened,,,deal with it.

There's nothing to deal with. I have researched this topic. No credible source is suggesting that anything nefarious happened.