“Trump is not going to win. I made effing sure of that”.

originally posted by: HalWesten
...so I'll address your statement. You are saying that there is no difference between a private citizen and an attorney in a federal criminal suit for filing purposes, that it would in fact have to go through a prosecutor to be legal. Am I right so far? That second article says otherwise in some states:

Which is why I was really specific and said Federal, if you're going to resort to ad hominems at least read and comprehend what I'm posting first. All your examples are for State-level charges. Do you know the difference?

--- but we'll let that go for now.

Nah, let's not since it was kind of crucial to the statement.

You are equating Sidney Powell Esq. with a private citizen in this case. Why would she, as a private attorney, claim she is going to file a case if she couldn't? That makes no sense.

She makes no sense and the people who think she does are delusional like her. She can claim she's going to do anything she wants so give me a call when she actually tries to file a Federal criminal case. Make sure you notice the Federal part this time.

a reply to: Halfswede

So basically anyone who does not have an 'alt-right' view point you just write off like this.

ATS has really taking a dive.

As unpopular as the facts are on here, Trump lost a fair election because of his divisiveness, his twitter tantrums and his failed COVID response. It is also worth noting that he was the most unpopular president of our lifetimes.

Your confirmation bias does not change reality.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: HalWesten
...so I'll address your statement. You are saying that there is no difference between a private citizen and an attorney in a federal criminal suit for filing purposes, that it would in fact have to go through a prosecutor to be legal. Am I right so far? That second article says otherwise in some states:

Which is why I was really specific and said Federal, if you're going to resort to ad hominems at least read and comprehend what I'm posting first. All your examples are for State-level charges. Do you know the difference?

--- but we'll let that go for now.

Nah, let's not since it was kind of crucial to the statement.

You are equating Sidney Powell Esq. with a private citizen in this case. Why would she, as a private attorney, claim she is going to file a case if she couldn't? That makes no sense.

She makes no sense and the people who think she does are delusional like her. She can claim she's going to do anything she wants so give me a call when she actually tries to file a Federal criminal case. Make sure you notice the Federal part this time.

Seriously, you get off on cutting people down, don't you?

Come on dude. You made the first claim that private attorneys can't file in FEDERAL court. Then you gave me documents that state what you said. Then you say my quotes from them are State claims. Which is it? Stop being a condescending ass.

a reply to: HalWesten

Are you seriously unable to comprehend what you posted? Those are statutes allowing you to file criminal charges at the State level, not the Federal level, try reading it again. You do know that there are several types of courts here, right? That a State suit isn't the same as a Federal suit, right?

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Halfswede

So basically anyone who does not have an 'alt-right' view point you just write off like this.

ATS has really taking a dive.

As unpopular as the facts are on here, Trump lost a fair election because of his divisiveness, his twitter tantrums and his failed COVID response. It is also worth noting that he was the most unpopular president of our lifetimes.

Your confirmation bias does not change reality.

That you believe it was a fair election in all states is hysterical. Be happy that you're going to get your dream team of corruption and voter oppression like we've never seen before in future elections once Biden takes that oath. If he can remember it without a teleprompter.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: ketsuko
Yes they do. Things may get very ugly, especially in the second half of the Biden administration when Harris takes over, if she can wait that long. I seriously never thought I'd find myself on this side of the equation, but here I am.

It used to be that at our base the Constitution united us, but there are powerful forces at work in our own government that no longer believe in that document. That comes upstream from the significant portion of the population that also thinks it's outdated and no longer sufficient to govern the country.

But because we're not looking at a anything like an overwhelming majority, we have this weird division where people who would otherwise disagree on many things end up on the same side because we do at our base agree on the Constitution. I think that's the oddity. It's also another danger in a sense because one side is completely united in lockstep while the other is still realizing that the enemy of my enemy is actually my friend.

a reply to: ketsuko

I would hope people choose to live under the rule of equal application of law.

But people are increasingly choosing by any means possible banana republic to chase after an unobtainable utopia. And the ruling elite are capitalizing off that.

a reply to: HalWesten

So you believe the president with the worst job approval rating by the Gallup poll ever, actually won?

I feel like many of the pro-Trump crowd have alienated themselves from anyone that does not have their same mindset, basically only associate with other pro-Trump folks therefore are unaware of how unpopular Trump actually is.

This is not much different than say Jehovah Witnesses or members of a cult.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: HalWesten

Are you seriously unable to comprehend what you posted? Those are statutes allowing you to file criminal charges at the State level, not the Federal level, try reading it again. You do know that there are several types of courts here, right? That a State suit isn't the same as a Federal suit, right?

Of course I comprehend, sorry I'm not a genius like you are and "highly educated". I'm trying to make sense of a specific issue and you keep throwing garbage at me then saying "you can't read, can you?" or "you can't comprehend, can you?".

You made the claim early in the thread regarding Federal court. Then you give me sources that refer to state courts. Your game sucks.

Having gotten a little sleep I decided to look it up again. Sidney Powell is a former US Federal Prosecutor. "Former" is the key here.

Ok, after a few hours of searching and reading legal sites I finally found this:

How do I file a criminal case?
Individuals do not file criminal charges in U.S. district courts. A criminal proceeding is initiated by the government, usually through the U.S. attorney's office in coordination with a law enforcement agency. Allegations of criminal behavior should be brought to local police, the FBI, or other appropriate law enforcement agency.

If you had just said WHY she can't file herself, all of this would have been crystal clear but as you typically do you danced around it for hours. I wasted my time and yours because you refused to give an explanation to a legitimate question. One day you might learn that when asked for an answer, "because I said so" isn't good enough.

Neither of your sources stated what the US Court website did. So I apologize for wasting your time, I will refrain from ever trying to learn something from you again because it was a complete waste of my time.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: HalWesten

So you believe the president with the worst job approval rating by the Gallup poll ever, actually won?

I feel like many of the pro-Trump crowd have alienated themselves from anyone that does not have their same mindset, basically only associate with other pro-Trump folks therefore are unaware of how unpopular Trump actually is.

This is not much different than say Jehovah Witnesses or members of a cult.

I don't care what a poll says about a president. I care about what that president does for the People. Period. Trump did a LOT of good things for the People despite the last four years of BS daily attacks. I will never forgive the Democrats for their behavior toward a duly elected president. Ever. I will not forgive the Republicans if they do the same thing to Biden. That behavior doesn't belong in our political system.

Ever.

originally posted by: HalWesten
Then you give me sources that refer to state courts. Your game sucks.

It actually covers both, but keep floundering.

If you had just said WHY she can't file herself...

I did, because she is a private citizen and a stupid one at that.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: HalWesten
Then you give me sources that refer to state courts. Your game sucks.

It actually covers both, but keep floundering.

If you had just said WHY she can't file herself...

I did, because she is a private citizen and a stupid one at that.

I give up. I recommend getting some serious mental health help because you need it.

originally posted by: HalWesten
I give up.

You should give up because this link explained exactly what you said it didn't, Federal and State. I'll bold it for you for easier reading:

As one of many English traditions exported to colonial America, private prosecutions predate the establishment of the United States. But the ability to prosecute privately does not apply in every state, nor does it extend to federal crimes. In 1981, the United States Supreme Court held that a private individual does not have a constitutional right to private prosecution. Because of this Supreme Court ruling, and because Congress has not passed laws providing for private prosecution, a private person does not have the right in federal court to prosecute an offense or hire an attorney to pursue a criminal case on the private person’s behalf. The laws of several states, however, permit a private person to initiate and prosecute another person for some criminal offenses; or hire a private attorney to do the same.

Capiche?

Hi Halwesten.

Yeah. Trolls have lost the plot.



From UTRECHJournal.org

"a government has a public responsibility to prevent electoral fraud in a way that extends beyond the protections conferred by an electorate’s directly correlative right to voting freedom.
Focusing on electoral freedom and voter fraud in electoral systems, it presents theoretical arguments for holding governments responsible arising from the incomplete or unclear nature of juristic rights, powers, and duties.

It holds that such public responsibilities are functionally necessary, in the interests of a truly inclusive participatory democracy. The article uses illustrations of fair elections globally, and in the United States in particular, including the divided 2014 US Supreme Court decision, US v. Texas, in which the majority denied the right to vote to prisoners and parolees who are disproportionately represented by ethnic minorities."

a reply to: maya27

Call us when Sidney Bowel is the government.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Powell would be the lawyer responsible for making sure that the GOVT do their job, MAKE THEM RESPONSIBLE for ensuring fair and un corrupt voting.

Your reading comprehension is "Deplorable". Almost as bad as your warped sense of social interaction. NO POINT in any discourse here. Damaged goods...

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: HalWesten

So you believe the president with the worst job approval rating by the Gallup poll ever, actually won?

I feel like many of the pro-Trump crowd have alienated themselves from anyone that does not have their same mindset, basically only associate with other pro-Trump folks therefore are unaware of how unpopular Trump actually is.

This is not much different than say Jehovah Witnesses or members of a cult.

The only problem with your fantasy is that Biden nearly lost to the unpopular Trump and had Covid-19 not disrupted the election it would have been even closer with a likely Trump win.

So yes I agree with you that "many of the pro-Trump crowd have alienated themselves from anyone that does not have their same mindset" but clearly so have the anti Trump crowd as evidence by your stated fantasy.

a reply to: HalWesten

What exactly did Trump do that was so great?

Trump raised taxes fir the working class, while cutting tax for the rich and mega-corporations.

He put family and mega donors into positions of power that they had no business being in.

I do not get his appeal. His speeches were so poorly worded and delivered often times not making sense and/or contradicting what he has said or done in the past.

My theory is that because he speaks "stupid", this actually appeals to the lower educated demographic because he does not sound 'upity'.

Back in 2008 I was concernec by the cult like following Obama had, Trump's cult following dwarfs that. He can do no wrong in their eyes. He literally said "I can stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot someone and I would not lose any voters", he was right.

Now that Trump has less than 2 months in power, his cult followers are in disbelief. After the grieving process is over for them, hopefully most will step back and Trump who he is.

a reply to: DanDanDat

I posted on here when it became apparent that the DNC was gifting the nomination to Biden, that they just gave Trump 4 more years.

Had it not been for Trump's gross mishandling of the pandemic, he would have been re-elected.

Why the DNC handed Biden the nomination baffles me. I would have thought they would have learned in 2016 when they propped Hillary up.

We as a nation need other political parties because both the Democratic and Republican parties do not represent the working class, the vast majority of this country. Why so many choose a party and stick with them, while continually voting against their own interests is tough to watch over and over again each election cycle. It is like many root for their political party the same way they root for their favorite football team.

originally posted by: maya27
Powell would be the lawyer responsible for making sure that the GOVT do their job, MAKE THEM RESPONSIBLE for ensuring fair and un corrupt voting.

Uh-huh, I guess she did that via her FOIA request on Twitter, or maybe it will be her calling Uber Eats to file a criminal suit.