How did the Fall affect all of us, instead of only 'Adam and Eve'...?

a reply to: cooperton

Not even the universe is eternal.

Everything that has a beginning ends cooperton.

That may seem cruel, but we cannot have birth without death.

a reply to: St Udio

Imagine being on Earth for 1000 years?

Granted it would be a blessing in some regards but also a curse.

Our existence, and the length of time that we do does not need to be punishment or reward but simply the natural order.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: cooperton

Not even the universe is eternal.

This world will pass away, but that which created it will not pass away...

Everything that has a beginning ends cooperton.

Correct, this is why God is considered 'unbegotten' because God was never born and therefore never dies. God is extra-dimensional, not being limited to the temporality we are so familiar with.

a reply to: cooperton

How do you know God was never born?

As to extra-dimensional, if it covers that in the Bible, it will be rather obscure and open to interpretations, that's a given.

There is no therefore where God is concerned, not much information at all as to the big fellow's origins if we are honest.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: cooperton

How do you know God was never born?

Theological / Philosophical deduction. Something exists. Something cannot come from nothing. Therefore Something always existed. This Something that always existed is Alpha-Omega God.

a reply to: cooperton

So the universe essentially requires the existence of an observer to exist?

Tell me this, how would one measure or observe anything that exists outwith the space-time that comprises our universe?

Show me nothing?

"Nothing" is a pronoun, the reality is there is always something.

But that does not mean, that something, is a God.

originally posted by: andy06shake

But that does not mean, that something, is a God.

If that 'Something' is the source of all things, then by its very definition it would at the very least be an aspect of God

a reply to: cooperton

Possibly, i certainly don't discount the notion.

But if it's extradimensional, then you are not going to be able to observe or measure any aspect of it.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: cooperton

So the universe essentially requires the existence of an observer to exist?

What if what is appearing as existence is not separate from the observer?
Maybe the father and son are one.

Tell me this, how would one measure or observe anything that exists outwith the space-time that comprises our universe?

How could you measure from somewhere in the past or from somewhere in the future to now?
You can never escape now.

Now is a word that means what is actually occuring presently.......

Show me nothing?

What is happening is not a thing.....it is all there is.
If thought says there is more......then that thought is what is occuring.

"Nothing" is a pronoun, the reality is there is always something.

There is an appearance (light dancing) but during deep sleep nothing is appearing.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

We have done this dance many a time Itisnowagain.

It always comes back to the first question you possed.

That being "What if what is appearing as existence is not separate from the observer?"

Most of our dreaming occurs during REM sleep, which is deep sleep, plenty of things appear there.

Like i have suggested to you before Itisnowagain if we are not all separate to one degree or another, then you are having this conversation/discussion with yourself.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Itisnowagain
Most of our dreaming occurs during REM sleep, which is deep sleep, plenty of things appear there.

Dreaming is not deep sleep.

When dreaming occurs there is an appearance..... whereas deep sleep no appearance.

Slow-wave sleep, often referred to as deep sleep, consists of stage three of non-rapid eye movement sleep.en.m.wikipedia.org...

Non-rapid eye movement sleep (NREM), also known as quiescent sleep[1], is, collectively, sleep stages 1–3, previously known as stages 1–4. Rapid eye movement sleep (REM) is not included. en.m.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Like i have suggested to you before Itisnowagain if we are not all separate to one degree or another, then you are having this conversation/discussion with yourself.

There is no me.
There is just what is happening 🤣

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Well, at least you are consistent.

Ile give you that.

There's a me, and I'm not you, that's for sure.

But if you wish to think you are talking to yourself, who am i to stop you?

Aside from you of course.

a reply to: andy06shake
If there is no me how could I wish to think I am talking to myself?

There is no me to do anything.

Everything happens by itself.

Everything happens by itself
www.purifymind.com...

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

The story is an allegory telling us of the rupture of man’s inner nature

The result didn’t happen instantaneously but over time when humans were no longer born with inner perfection.

The inner architecture was ruptured and eventually, the negative archetypes were born inside mans nature which is the cause of all the evil we experience
It was not a curse by God or vexing

an analogy:

If one starts using heroin eventually, they get addicted and their nature and actions change, then they are inwardly, in a sense, corrupted.

Religion exists, in theory, to return humans back to that perfection but the irony is that the now corrupt human always distorts religion so its positive effect is minimal.

He distorts It because of that corruption

Classic catch 22!

a reply to: Itisnowagain

How could you measure from somewhere in the past or from somewhere in the future to now? You can never escape now.

Yesterday is now today which was tomorrow yesterday, but is no longer now. Time controls now in measured existences. Without time there is no past or future. Only now. You can neither measure past, present or future with out time.

The truth is the Bible is the truth.
Without it we are perfect strangers to why all this is happening.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: cooperton

Entropy cooperton is the reason we age and finally expire.

The Telomeres that sit at the end of strands of DNA wear away making it more likely that cells will stop dividing and essentially die.

Nothing lasts forever, not even the stars whose dust we are made from.

Certainly not anything biological on two legs as unfortunate as the case may be.

Nothing lasts forever but things [including humans] could surely last a lot longer...once we discover how to do it and ourselves become Gods.

originally posted by: fromtheskydown

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: cooperton

Entropy cooperton is the reason we age and finally expire.

The Telomeres that sit at the end of strands of DNA wear away making it more likely that cells will stop dividing and essentially die.

Nothing lasts forever, not even the stars whose dust we are made from.

Certainly not anything biological on two legs as unfortunate as the case may be.

Nothing lasts forever but things [including humans] could surely last a lot longer...once we discover how to do it and ourselves become Gods.

No thing was ever born.....

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originally posted by: iammrhappy86
a reply to: noonebutme

The Devil never imposed his actions unto anyone.

He only ever showed other paths, options.

Man is to blame for his own descent into corruption.

But if Jesus died for our sins then surely it is only correct and polite to sin? Otherwise, what was the point?