MIT PhD Analysis of Michigan Votes Reveals Unfortunate Truth

originally posted by: timequake
The fact that thousands of votes have been switched from Trump to Biden using these machines, the fact that areas of PA broke multiple election laws (kicking out GOP observers, and extending a ballot receipt and counts w/o legislative approval), among other claims

Pennsylvania

Multiple legal battles over the Keystone State’s election laws were underway well before Election Day, but this week, the Trump campaign upped the ante. Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro said in an interview that “there has been a lot of noise about litigation” but it has had “zero material impact” on the electoral process. “The count has continued. Legal votes are being tallied and soon the commonwealth will respect the will of the people and certify a vote,” he said. Since Tuesday, the campaign has filed at least five separate lawsuits, with mixed results:

1. To compel Philadelphia election officials to stop counting ballots.

A federal judge dismissed the request.

2. To compel state election officials to allow Trump campaign officials closer observation of the counting process.

A state judge ruled in the campaign’s favor, allowing campaign officials to observe the Philadelphia process from a six foot distance. Philadelphia election officials appealed the decision to the state Supreme Court. On November 9, the court agreed to hear the case.

Levitt says this ruling will likely affect the pace of the count, rather the outcome. “Imagine a gymnasium, with observers lining the walls: to let the observers get closer, they’ve got to move the count closer to the walls and not be counting in the center,” he writes. Since people can no longer count in the center of the gym, “the count is going to move more slowly.”

3. To compel Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar and all 67 counties to impose an earlier date for voters to show proof of identification if it was not on their initial ballots.

On November 12, the presiding judge ruled in favor of the campaign, writing that ballots cast by voters who had not provided supplemental identification by Nov. 9 could not be counted. Previously, that judge had ordered all counties to segregate those ballots while weighing whether to count them. The Secretary of State’s office did not respond to a query about the number of ballots pertinent to this order. Shapiro said on Twitter the ruling impacted “very few ballots.”

Local Republicans filed a separate suit against Boockvar in state court, alleging she subverted state law when she issued guidance telling voters with deficiencies on their mail-in ballots to cast provisional ballots, and trying to prevent those provisional ballots from being counted. A state judge denied that request, but ordered officials to segregate provisional ballots from voters who submitted deficient mail-in ballots before election day.

4. To compel the Montgomery County Board of Elections to stop counting mail-in-ballots

The campaign and Republican National Committee filed suit to halt the process of counting mail-in ballots in Montgomery County, one of the counties in suburban Philadelphia, alleging that the board of elections was counting 592 ballots that had not been placed in secrecy envelopes and was therefore not complying with requirements. Pennsylvania election data shows Montgomery county overwhelmingly voted for Biden.

On November 13, a judge denied the request from the campaign, and ordered that the county could count the ballots. At an oral argument for the case on November 10, the lawyer representing the campaign, Jonathan S. Goldstein, told the judge they were not accusing the county administrators or the voters casting these ballots of voter fraud.

5. To intervene in an already existing dispute before the U.S. Supreme Court about whether ballots the state received after 8 p.m. on Election Day should count.

The litigation is ongoing. Some legal experts are skeptical SCOTUS will take the case, while others say that even if the Justice do, their ruling is unlikely to change the outcome of the Presidential election. Pennsylvania election officials have said there are fewer than 10,000 ballots in this category, and Trump currently trails Biden by over 45,000 votes.

“I think that the court is going to be very hesitant to involve itself in the process in the most politically contentious context possible,” says Michael Dimino, an election law expert at Widener University in Pennsylvania. Joshua Geltzer, executive director of the Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection at Georgetown Law, notes that the number of ballots that may fall in this category “appears increasingly irrelevant to the election outcome given the sheer vote numbers in that state regardless of those ballots.”

The backstory: After Pennsylvania’s Supreme Court extended the ballot receipt deadline to Nov. 6, state Republicans twice appealed the case to the U.S. Supreme Court. The first time they were unsuccessful, and the second time the court declined to expedite the decision before the election, but left open the possibility of hearing it afterwards. On Nov. 6, Supreme Court Justice Alito, in response to a motion from Pennsylvania Republicans, ordered state election officials to segregate any ballots that arrived after election day. State officials had already ordered counties to segregate any ballots that arrived after Election Day, likely anticipating a future challenge.

6. To stop Boockvar and seven individual counties from certifying the election results

The campaign filed a 105 page federal lawsuit on Nov. 9 alleging state officials created a “two tiered” system to ensure Biden would win the state by allowing vote-by mail – a violation the constitution’s equal protection clause – and that the results should consequently not be certified. The seven counties named as defendants in the lawsuit – Allegheny, Centre, Chester, Delaware, Montgomery, Northampton and Philadelphia – all voted for Biden.

Litigation is still ongoing, and the Democratic National Committee has filed a motion to intervene. Legal experts have said it is unlikely the case will succeed. Hasen wrote in the Atlantic that the claims are “ludicrous.”

7. To stop Bucks County from counting mail-in ballots

The campaign had previously filed a lawsuit in state court on election day to stop Bucks County – a suburban county near Philadelphia where Biden narrowly won – from counting mail-in ballots, but the lawsuit was dismissed. The campaign filed another complaint on Nov. 8, alleging that the county accepted over 2,200 defective ballots. A conference is scheduled for November 17.

It is unclear if the majority of these ballots were cast for Biden or Trump, although Democrats in the state overwhelmingly voted by mail this year. But even if the court rules in favor of the campaign and throws out these ballots, it is unlikely to change the outcome. Biden leads Trump by 16,000 votes in the county, according to unofficial results.

Here Are All the Lawsuits the Trump Campaign Has Filed Since Election Day—And Why Most Are Unlikely to Go Anywhere

a reply to: lakenheath24

You talk far too much sense....I'd like to think a bit of British common sense was rubbing off on you but I know we have just as many crazy, deluded, irrational, narrow minded etc people as you do.

a reply to: Doctor Smith

A couple of County clerks in Wisconsin forgot to delete the over votes tabulated by the faulty software. Those counties had 105% turnout.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: network dude
and you can't wait a few weeks? Do you have somewhere to be?

No, I need instant gratification and I'm tired of waiting.

Kudos for honesty.

originally posted by: network dude
Kudos for honesty.

Hey, when have I not been?

a reply to: carewemust

Which counties so we can verify this?

a reply to: Brotherman

I am saying that enough people do not have confidence in the system.....

Sure, but all that lack of confidence comes from one source; Trump and his camp.
And there is no substantial evidence at all to support it.

Trump did NOTHING about mail-in fraud during his term in office.
He only started making an issue of it when he realised he had a fight on his hands.....until then nothing, a big fat biff.

Yes, allegations need investigating.....but that's all they are at the moment, allegations.
And all allegations presented to courts have been thrown out.

a reply to: MykeNukem

There are other reasons this is nearly unprovable.

The main one probably being that it didn't happen.

The fact that their software is Proprietary is probably the biggest one. They will use that to block analysis of their code...

Who are the 'their' you mention?

Also, they have the support and ownership of some high level officials...

Higher than Trump?

From a technical standpoint...it's pretty glaringly obvious...

Why is it 'glaringly obvious'?
Even if it is possible it doesn't mean it happened.

....there is no way to tell what the machine is doing after you enter your vote...even if it gives you a receipt...big deal...those are just data fields ...no way of proving it..

I know very little about coding but surely it leaves some trace?

And if it was so 'glaringly obvious' and so vulnerable to manipulation why didn't Trump insist that a more robust and fit for purpose system replace it?

a reply to: LookingAtMars

IMO, there was a rush of last minute cheating because of the turnout for Trump.

That's why they stopped counting the votes. It became clear, even with the cheating they had in place already, they were going to lose.

Any evidence to support any of this?

How did they know which counts to target?
How did they carry out this fraud?

That's my CT anyway and I am sticking with it till proven otherwise.

So, let's get this right.....you've made up a theory to fit your pre-conceived and locked in opinions that is lacking any supportive evidence or proof at all and you're sticking to it regardless unless someone can provide proof that your theory without proof is wrong?

Got ya.

originally posted by: Freeborn

How did they know which counts to target?
How did they carry out this fraud?

Not saying it happened, but all they would need to do is pick the few key states in play. Most states are already known to be left or right before they even vote, but a few key swing states kind of narrows it down for them to focus on. Then the next focus would be high republican based counties that is once again is easy information to find known by anyone who wants to know. You would only need a few voting machines with the algorithm needed and so update software on election day then update again afterwards to get rid of the evidence.

Again...not saying it happened...

originally posted by: Doctor Smith

The way it is now any moron can be instructed on the net, exactly how to hack these machines. Our elections have been compromised. Biden has to prove he won the election. All evidence backs Trump.

What evidence? All so called evidence has been hastily thrown out in the courts. Some charlatan's youtube video is a far cry from tangible evidence.

You clearly do not understand how burden of proof works. Believing Biden has prove to he won is beyond shifting the goal posts, you are asking for the end zones be switched in the middle of a play.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Freeborn

How did they know which counts to target?
How did they carry out this fraud?

Not saying it happened, but all they would need to do is pick the few key states in play. Most states are already known to be left or right before they even vote, but a few key swing states kind of narrows it down for them to focus on. Then the next focus would be high republican based counties that is once again is easy information to find known by anyone who wants to know. You would only need a few voting machines with the algorithm needed and so update software on election day then update again afterwards to get rid of the evidence.

Again...not saying it happened...

You know, some people on the left were making the same claim exactly after Trump won in 2016. Are you saying it's possible they were right - and Trump won illegitimately?

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
You know, some people on the left were making the same claim exactly after Trump won in 2016. Are you saying it's possible they were right - and Trump won illegitimately?

No, it wasn't cheating when Trump won, it was America giving the middle finger to Hillary. When Trump lost no one was giving him the finger because he had a lot of yard signs so it's obviously cheating.

a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog



' Yep I sure am going to believe the guy who has been erroneously claiming for years that he invented e-mail because he wrote a software program in 1978 when the first e-mail was sent in 1971 '

That was just a Glorified Teletype Machine .

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus



I have no idea why I'm even here arguing about any of this

I might as well go outside tonight and yell at a cloud

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
I might as well go outside tonight and yell at a cloud

Ah, yes, screaming at the sky, it's sort of become our new national pastime.

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

You know, some people on the left were making the same claim exactly after Trump won in 2016. Are you saying it's possible they were right - and Trump won illegitimately?

Just like Trump has now, they had a chance to try and prove it.

For some reason they didn't even try.

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
a reply to: Doctor Smith

Yep I sure am going to believe the guy who has been erroneously claiming for years that he invented e-mail because he wrote a software program in 1978 when the first e-mail was sent in 1971

I can't wait to see what totally not fake evidence he has /sarcasm

He invented a program called "Email" not the e-mail protocol lol. You're pi66ing in the wind.

a reply to: Xtrozero

But that's a relatively large operation that requires an enormous amount of pre-planned co-ordination and quite a lot of people.
And that's just the alleged electronic fraud.

Trump's concerns are primarily about mail-in voting fraud.
What about that?
Or on the day ballots?

That requires huge numbers of people and a massive logistical operation.
How was that carried out?

There must be quite a lot of hard, physical evidence and electronic evidence.
When is it going to be shown to the courts?

Surely time is running out for Trump, he needs to put up or shut up?

originally posted by: LookingAtMars
a reply to: Spiramirabilis

You know, some people on the left were making the same claim exactly after Trump won in 2016. Are you saying it's possible they were right - and Trump won illegitimately?

Just like Trump has now, they had a chance to try and prove it.

For some reason they didn't even try.

Because: sanity?