Trump lawyers release 234 pages of election fraud evidence

a reply to: DanDanDat

And to think this could have all been avoided if Democrats didn't push the mail in Caronavirus voting process and just went out and voted like they do every other year.

Do you honestly believe that?

There was nothing to suggest that mail in voting was susceptible to any substantial tampering until Trump suggested it then his followers just latched in to it.
0.0009%, that's the level of mail in vote fraud in previous elections.

And again, if the threat was so real why hadn't Trump done anything substantial to reform the process during his Presidency?

I think Trump knew what he was doing and he threw this out into the public domain deliberately to cause doubt and confusion in the event of his defeat.

a reply to: Freeborn

I agree there was plenty of time to deal with this during his term and he didnt. People have short memories and forgot all about his voter task force he set up. Basically they were disbanded because they culdnt find any evidence and he no longer needed the excuse in 2017. But even in the 2016 election he caimed voter fraud etc just so happens he won. Had he lost of course he would have blamed voter fraud.

The other thing after readng this you can see Trump messed up not enough lawyers on the scene. The lawyers should have been involved in all these challeges i read about. This leads me to the conclusion they did not have enough lawyers in the polling areas. Even one person said she noticed the democrats outnumbered them 2 to 1 so this shows me they tried to get off cheap which lead to alot of confusion for republican observers.

If he thought there was wide spread fraud he would have made sure it didnt happen. So as i see this Trump caused this problem you can decide why.

originally posted by: Freeborn

I'm absolutely staggered that the US electoral process could be so frail and vulnerable to exploitation and manipulation.

Mass mailings is new and was quick to put into place by the left with zero vetting of the process. The vetting process was "oh it will be fine"...lol Vote harvesting is big money and this mass mailings made it so much easier...scammers work very hard to beat our systems to make money and this was ripe for the picking...so lets look...

Also the vote counting machines have the possibility of manipulation and that could be huge, so lets look...

a reply to: dragonridr

You are certyainly closer to it and more informed than I so I can't disagree with you saying there weren't enough lawyers etc present.

If he thought there was wide spread fraud he would have made sure it didnt happen.

But he didn't.
My point exactly.....and one that so many people seem either unwilling and/or incapable of understanding.

So as i see this Trump caused this problem you can decide why.

Seems obvious to me but so many seem reluctant to even contemplate the possibility that Trump deliberately sowed the seed of doubt in order to give him a ready made excuse in the event of his defeat.

His ego just can't accept that he got beat so he has twisted this in his own mind and he believes his own exaggerations and manipulations.
He'll probably go to his death bed - and no, I'm not wishing him a quick death or anything - still believing his own fallacy that he was cheated out of this election.
His pride and narcissism just won't allow him to accept that he was beaten fair and square.

And this is compounded by his acolytes who believe his every utterance and delight in pandering to and feeding his ego.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: DanDanDat

And to think this could have all been avoided if Democrats didn't push the mail in Caronavirus voting process and just went out and voted like they do every other year.

Do you honestly believe that?

There was nothing to suggest that mail in voting was susceptible to any substantial tampering until Trump suggested it then his followers just latched in to it.
0.0009%, that's the level of mail in vote fraud in previous elections.

And again, if the threat was so real why hadn't Trump done anything substantial to reform the process during his Presidency?

I think Trump knew what he was doing and he threw this out into the public domain deliberately to cause doubt and confusion in the event of his defeat.

The Dems also proposed a bill last year that would have included a paper trail for every electronic vote, but it was shot down by McConnel, who then drafted his own bill a couple months later. The House’s bill was for $750,000,000, with McConnel’s being $250,000,000. Might have been a good idea to go the paper trail route.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: DanDanDat

And to think this could have all been avoided if Democrats didn't push the mail in Caronavirus voting process and just went out and voted like they do every other year.

Do you honestly believe that?

There was nothing to suggest that mail in voting was susceptible to any substantial tampering until Trump suggested it then his followers just latched in to it.
0.0009%, that's the level of mail in vote fraud in previous elections.

And again, if the threat was so real why hadn't Trump done anything substantial to reform the process during his Presidency?

I think Trump knew what he was doing and he threw this out into the public domain deliberately to cause doubt and confusion in the event of his defeat.

I 100% believe it ... and if you where honest with yourself you would too.

Threats being real or fabricated are irrelevant.

What Trump and his supporters do is also irrelevant.

You don't shout at the coming storm and believe its going to change its direction; it is just childish to believe you can.

My mother could have told you in 2016 that the looser in the 2020 presidential race was going to cause trouble and she doesn't care about politics. And between 2016 and now the animosity between the two dominant political powers has only grown.

If Democrats truly believe all the rhetoric they exhale about Donald Trump they should have done everything they could possibly do to make the 2020 elections look as above board as possible.

Instead they took every opportunity to muddy the waters. They used state courts along partisan lines to overrule stare legislatures on issues historically left up to state legislatures. They turned the election process into the wild west out of fear of the Caronavirus while the rest of the country is out and about as if life where normal. They where still making changes to the election process after the first ballots had been cast. And they played politics with the counting process.

If you believe that Trump is a nasty guy who would stop at nothing to steal an election than you must also conclude that the actions of the Democrats can only be seen as extremely negligent. In the face of a man who would stop at nothing to steal an election the Democrats gave him all the fire power he needs to do it.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Mass mailings is new and was quick to put into place by the left with zero vetting of the process.

How could it be just 'the left'?
How have they got so much control of the electoral process that they and they alone could implement a system that they could manipulate and control?

There must be something official that supports this?

Also the vote counting machines have the possibility of manipulation and that could be huge, so lets look...

If true why is it alleged that only the Democrats engaged in this voter fraud?
Are The Republicans so virtuous and beyond reproach?

As far as I can tell both party's have their fair share of amoral and unscrupulous supporters and representatives who will go to any length to ensure their side wins.

Please don't insult my intelligence by alleging The Democrats are any worse than The Republicans....or vice versa.
Two sides of the same double headed coin if you ask me.

a reply to: Freeborn

How could it be just 'the left'?
How have they got so much control of the electoral process that they and they alone could implement a system that they could manipulate and control?

Which states have strong voter ID laws, and who controls those that don’t. Same for counties.

What party pushed to get illegal aliens driver licenses, and why.....

Crap did nobody pay attention to what happened over the summer in the NYC primaries with mail in votes? The length of the delays in the counting was horrible. An obvious sign that there were gonna be problems. And that was for the Democrats! Almost a test run for what they could expect....

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: network dude

At this moment they are a collection of individual allegations.
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever of wholescale organised vote rigging co-ordinated by The Democratic Party.

Lets wait and see how these allegations face up to the rigorous investigation that they deserve.

I'm absolutely staggered that the US electoral process could be so frail and vulnerable to exploitation and manipulation.

I'm not gonna lie, I hope for a miracle and Trump finds a way to get back on top. If he doesn't, then all the corruption and crimes that have been found thus far will disappear and our system will go back to how it used to operate. Which is crooked as hell. Trump isn't some savior, he was just not in the loop and getting his checks, or needing them. The other scum suckers in DC are living off the corrupt system and all getting stupid rich from it.

But with regard to reality, the only thing I can see coming from this that would turn heads, would be a significant amount of fraud found with the Georgia recount. If it comes out largely the same, Trump will not have a path to anything but retirement on one of his nice golf courses.

But we have this system in place, and it's there to make sure that if you think you were cheated, you can challenge it. If you deny someone that right, then you take the chance of erasing all the other rights we have and have fought for over the years. This will be over soon either way. And If Biden wins, the world will be just fine. Scummy, but fine.

a reply to: neutronflux

So, has anyone looked to see if there is any actual corelation or is this more assumption?

But most of this alleged fraud has been in swing states hasn't it?
And surely Republicans were involved in all the relevant legislation or were aware of any alterations of electoral processes?
Did they raise any concerns?

Surely there'll be records of this for all to see?

Has anyone supplied any evidence to support this?

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a reply to: network dude

I don't think anyone is suggesting for one minute that allegations of voter fraud aren't investigated.

Its the assumptions that because Trump said it happened then it must have happened.
People assuming all sorts of co-ordinated vote rigging without any proof.

Trump is just as nefarious and amoral as the rest of the bastards.....why people think he is some sort of divine Saviour is beyond me.

But, as we know.....life will go on, the world will continue turning and we'll continue to concentrate on the day to day things that are important to us and our loved one's and all of this will just be a distraction from real life things.

There are a lot of dumb complaints on the affidavits but there are also many that are solid reasons for an investigation.

I don't think Trump has any chance of winning but what was described in a lot of the Michigan affidavits can only be described as corruption. The silly ones were where they saw military ballots for Biden and were shocked. The serious ones were where signatures didn't match or were absent and still counted. I read one that said the poll workers were transferring ballots and changing the selections.

a reply to: elementalgrove

Hoax? All of them? Not likely.

But in every election there are 100's of mistakes, ballot issues and yes even fraud.
So some of those will be real. And most mistakes , issues, and fraud are found each time. Meaning the fail safes in the system work.

Ask yourself this. Can biden be legally punished if you or I purposely commit voter fraud that benefits him?
A lot of people are feeling that way. Like if even a little fraud is found it will be connected to biden and stop him from being potus. Not true.

If the ec votes biden the only way to unset him is to find 1. massive fraud in the 10's of thousands.
2. Fraud directly connected to biden himself.

No chance number two happens. And with all the beefed up and extra security measures. With trump calling fraud for months making all the governors and sos on high alert for it. I think number one is unlikely.

a reply to: Grimpachi

signatures didn't match or were absent and still counted.

This is what I'm saying. This happens during every election from all sides.
Very doubtful it happened enough to swing the election.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

Link?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: DanDanDat

And to think this could have all been avoided if Democrats didn't push the mail in Caronavirus voting process and just went out and voted like they do every other year.

Do you honestly believe that?

There was nothing to suggest that mail in voting was susceptible to any substantial tampering until Trump suggested it then his followers just latched in to it.
0.0009%, that's the level of mail in vote fraud in previous elections.

And again, if the threat was so real why hadn't Trump done anything substantial to reform the process during his Presidency?

I think Trump knew what he was doing and he threw this out into the public domain deliberately to cause doubt and confusion in the event of his defeat.

And yet Trump voted by mail!!!! you cant make this sh#t up

a reply to: network dude

We will know how the ga count went before nov 20th.

www.cnbc.com...

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: DanDanDat

And to think this could have all been avoided if Democrats didn't push the mail in Caronavirus voting process and just went out and voted like they do every other year.

Do you honestly believe that?

There was nothing to suggest that mail in voting was susceptible to any substantial tampering until Trump suggested it then his followers just latched in to it.
0.0009%, that's the level of mail in vote fraud in previous elections.

And again, if the threat was so real why hadn't Trump done anything substantial to reform the process during his Presidency?

I think Trump knew what he was doing and he threw this out into the public domain deliberately to cause doubt and confusion in the event of his defeat.

And yet Trump voted by mail!!!! you cant make this sh#t up

Do you honestly believe that? There was nothing to suggest that mail in voting was susceptible to any substantial tampering until Trump suggested it then his followers just latched in to it. 0.0009%, that's the level of mail in vote fraud in previous elections. And again, if the threat was so real why hadn't Trump done anything substantial to reform the process during his Presidency? I think Trump knew what he was doing and he threw this out into the public domain deliberately to cause doubt and confusion in the event of his defeat.

Making everyone look extra hard at the mail in ballots which made it even harder to commit fraud that way.