A win for the Trump team in Pennsylvania

So what was the 'win'? Not getting any more votes added to Trump's total?

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: opethPA

What about The OP is inaccurate ?

Well, how did Trump's team achieve a win when all they "achieved" was to stop ballots being counted that weren't included in the count anyway? It seems a bit of a hollow victory.

a reply to: opethPA

My argument on this thread and others that have been shown to be hoaxes, inaccurate or just lies is that if ATS is based on finding the truth then why do these threads continue on as if they are accurate?

I appreciated your added information on the first page and felt it enhanced what might be known, but at this point anyone who thinks their 10 or 15 minutes of research on the internet has cornered the market on facts or truth in this matter has a severe case of reality deficit disorder.
We, the American people know very little for certain right now. The waters have been so muddied with disinformation and outright deception that facts are few and far between. The propaganda machine is full throttle as the msm and their "pundits" spin every little tidbit and pervert every little fact with an arrogant smugness the devil himself would admire.
Neither of us knows for certain right now how much is true and how much is hoax, so lets don't pretend to.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

So what was the 'win'? Not getting any more votes added to Trump's total?

To be honest as of this morning, I'm not so sure he even did that good.

a reply to: Murgatroid

LOL. "The new federal agency nobody knows about" just said this:

To be crystal clear on ⬇️, I’m specifically referring to the Hammer and Scorecard nonsense. It’s just that - nonsense. This is not a real thing, don’t fall for it and think 2x before you share.

Same as yesterday, Hammer and Scorecard is still a hoax. That's it. That’s the tweet. - Christopher Krebs, Director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency A.K.A. "The new federal agency nobody knows about".

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: opethPA

What about The OP is inaccurate ?

Well, how did Trump's team achieve a win when all they "achieved" was to stop ballots being counted that weren't included in the count anyway? It seems a bit of a hollow victory.

The idea was to stop them from being added to the count later to make up a deficit in the case of a recount, as well as set precedent for the next case. We'll see how that maneuver plays out.

originally posted by: Klassified
To be honest as of this morning, I'm not so sure he even did that good.

If the Trump team needs to announce as a 'win' that Joe Biden hasn't gotten an even larger lead you know it's pretty much time to stick a fork in things.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Klassified
To be honest as of this morning, I'm not so sure he even did that good.

If the Trump team needs to announce as a 'win' that Joe Biden hasn't gotten an even larger lead you know it's pretty much time to stick a fork in things.

Maybe. I think I understand the idea behind it, but whether or not it was a good play remains to be seen.

originally posted by: Klassified
I think I understand the idea behind it...

Maybe you can explain it to me then since I'm not seeing the 'win'.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Klassified
I think I understand the idea behind it...

Maybe you can explain it to me then since I'm not seeing the 'win'.

C'mon Augustus, you're smarter than I am, and at least as cynical too. lol

Besides what I wrote to dj above, any judgement that goes for you and not against you is a win, even if it only adds to the psychological detriment of the opponent. Legal maneuvers are no different than a chess game. It's hoped that you can put yourself in a position to best your opponent.

That said, I do think this election was stolen in a grand way, but Trumps only real hope for another 4 years is to show the Dominion software with alleged ties to the Feinstein's and the Clinton foundation was rigged and siphoned off nearly 3 million votes nationwide for Biden from Trump. Yeah I know it's being called a hoax and a Trump conspiracy. I'll take a wait and see approach to those claims. I'd say the same thing if I had just stolen an election.

He has some good evidence imo, but making it stick and gaining states with it may be a feat only a magician can pull off.

originally posted by: Klassified
Besides what I wrote to dj above, any judgement that goes for you and not against you is a win...

But it didn't 'go for him', no votes were moved in either direction. It's a wash and not a relevant lawsuit.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Klassified

Interesting.

I have my doubts though.

I just honestly think that the evil democrats have gamed this through and will get the presidency one way or another.

That’s where I’m at and it goes back to the point I made the other day; everyone, on both sides, knew that either side would contest the results, regardless of who won. Recounts would be requested, challenges made, etc. The Dems are stupid, but I don’t think they’re THAT stupid to just get a ton of illegitimate votes in and call it a day. If they indeed cheated, they’ve already got their asses covered for the contested portion of the election.

I think even if some cases of fraud turn up, they made sure the get in enough un-contestable votes to get Biden’s win.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Klassified
Besides what I wrote to dj above, any judgement that goes for you and not against you is a win...

But it didn't 'go for him', no votes were moved in either direction. It's a wash and not a relevant lawsuit.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I think it is a small but relevant judgement that will play in to the bigger picture later on, but we can certainly agree that if this is ALL they've got...it's over. As you said, stick a fork in it.

originally posted by: Klassified
I think it is a small but relevant judgement that will play in to the bigger picture later on, but we can certainly agree that if this is ALL they've got...it's over. As you said, stick a fork in it.

How? What 'bigger picture'? It's an isolated case in Pennsylvania that had no impact on the numbers.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: opethPA

What about The OP is inaccurate ?

The thread title is "A win for the Trump team in Pennsylvania" and the original post paints that picture by leaving out the full story. That full story says the votes being discussed here were not included or will not be included.

Any time I post in a thread around Trump my argument is never "no fraud is taking place " because any time you have human beings involved fraud can happen. It doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Democrat, throw a huge number of people together and a % of them are going to be cowardly, weak , criminals.

My arguments have always been the same and that is focusing on accuracy based on known facts which is why the thread title of this post is innaccurate.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Klassified
I think it is a small but relevant judgement that will play in to the bigger picture later on, but we can certainly agree that if this is ALL they've got...it's over. As you said, stick a fork in it.

How? What 'bigger picture'? It's an isolated case in Pennsylvania that had no impact on the numbers.

First, it shows the SOS had no authority to change deadlines or ID requirements. I would think this one is obvious, and obvious that it needed to be challenged. That by itself is a win and keeps the ballots in question from being included now and later.
Second, any other ballots like these across the state will now have to be thrown out whether or not they have been included in the tally. The case may be "isolated" but it sets precedent for the whole state.
One of the next cases coming up is a challenge to the judge who also thought to change deadlines regardless of the law. This case could be helpful in winning that case, which could eventually end up in a lot of ballots being disqualified. Trump could lose a few of those, but the consensus(right or wrong) is that the vast majority are for Biden anyway.
That's all I got at the moment AM. I am still looking into how this and other cases could or would change the numbers when the judgements are combined. You get the last word. Tell me what I'm missing.

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: opethPA

What about The OP is inaccurate ?

The thread title is "A win for the Trump team in Pennsylvania" and the original post paints that picture by leaving out the full story. That full story says the votes being discussed here were not included or will not be included.

Any time I post in a thread around Trump my argument is never "no fraud is taking place " because any time you have human beings involved fraud can happen. It doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Democrat, throw a huge number of people together and a % of them are going to be cowardly, weak , criminals.

My arguments have always been the same and that is focusing on accuracy based on known facts which is why the thread title of this post is innaccurate.

I stand by that thread title. It was a win. The SOS can't change legislated deadlines and requirements arbitrarily. Getting a judgement that acknowledgements that, and also removes those ballots from the picture is a win because it sets precedent for the whole state where ballots like these might have been included in the tally. It could also be helpful in getting a judgement against a single judge who did the same thing from the bench. In this case, it didn't change the count, but in another case it may.

originally posted by: Klassified
First, it shows the SOS had no authority to change deadlines or ID requirements.

I don't think anyone who understands the Constitution would argue she did.

Second, any other ballots like these across the state will now have to be thrown out whether or not they have been included in the tally.

None will be, only the ones impacted which weren't counted to begin with.

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: opethPA

What about The OP is inaccurate ?

The thread title is "A win for the Trump team in Pennsylvania" and the original post paints that picture by leaving out the full story. That full story says the votes being discussed here were not included or will not be included.

Any time I post in a thread around Trump my argument is never "no fraud is taking place " because any time you have human beings involved fraud can happen. It doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Democrat, throw a huge number of people together and a % of them are going to be cowardly, weak , criminals.

My arguments have always been the same and that is focusing on accuracy based on known facts which is why the thread title of this post is innaccurate.

I stand by that thread title. It was a win. The SOS can't change legislated deadlines and requirements arbitrarily. Getting a judgement that acknowledgements that, and also removes those ballots from the picture is a win because it sets precedent for the whole state where ballots like these might have been included in the tally. It could also be helpful in getting a judgement against a single judge who did the same thing from the bench. In this case, it didn't change the count, but in another case it may.

FWIW I really do appreciate the way you responded in this post. Thanks for helping me understand your perspective better. =)

I am not trying to convince you but rather staying focused on accuracy in saying the following. In your reply above you state this "...and also removes those ballots from the picture is a win because it sets precedent for the whole state where ballots like these might have been included in the tally."

The inaccuracy I see in that is the fact that on the first page of this thread I linked articles stating the following or something similar , "—but the ruling will not change the vote count as it currently stands and will not impact Joe Biden’s win in the state."

Now if the point you were trying to make is that this is a win for the election process in the future then I would agree with you because it will have an impact on future scenarios but for the current ongoing election I don't see anything to indicate it having a tangible impact on votes .

a reply to: Annee

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