Should Prostitution be Legalized?

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MykeNukem
Yes.

Or at the very least decriminalized...

NO

This allows traffickers.

That statement is referring to prostitution...

Do you think the girl who was trafficked deserves a charge? Of course not...

Now, if you would like me to unpack that statement...I do think it requires regulation....they are not mutually exclusive...

IMO — it needs to be treated the same as any legitimate business.

Arresting a prostitute that’s been trafficked — could save her life.

I think they could use the Escort business as a model. They'd have to add some health regulations and such...but would be a good model to start. Independent Contractors that pay taxes.

There are plenty of models around the world where prostitution is legal.

I don’t see why we’d have to have a “one fits all”.

Prostitution should absolutely be legalized. Just like all drugs and euthanasia.

And why "2 consenting adults" it can be 3. Or 4. Or 20. If they are adults, and both or all participants are consenting, and money is involved, then so what? It should be no business of the government and their lawmakers.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MykeNukem
Yes.

Or at the very least decriminalized...

NO

This allows traffickers.

That statement is referring to prostitution...

Do you think the girl who was trafficked deserves a charge? Of course not...

Now, if you would like me to unpack that statement...I do think it requires regulation....they are not mutually exclusive...

IMO — it needs to be treated the same as any legitimate business.

Arresting a prostitute that’s been trafficked — could save her life.

I think they could use the Escort business as a model. They'd have to add some health regulations and such...but would be a good model to start. Independent Contractors that pay taxes.

There are plenty of models around the world where prostitution is legal.

I don’t see why we’d have to have a “one fits all”.

Where did I mention anything about one size fits all?

That's twice now you have attributed words to me, that I didn't say...

I would think the term “Independent contractor” in my post, sort of makes your reply a little redundant, no?

that would have peaked my attention back in the day. I have a glaring double standard when it comes to threesomes. At least in imaginationland. reality has been a bit lackluster on that front.

The reality is much more weird and chaotic than sexy, lol

a reply to: JAGStorm

Get this:

If you solicit sex in exchange for money - it's illegal.

If you solicit sex in exchange for money and film it, - it's legal.


Link

Performers may engage in sex as part of their roles, but that does not count as sex for hire. Sex in the course of creating a movie or a photo is an expression protected under the First Amendment. Generally, the one paying for the sex is also different than the one receiving the benefit of that act, further distancing it from a strictly sex-for-money arrangement. However, some free-speech advocates argue that even first-person movies should be afforded this protection, though no significant cases have gone to court.

Summation: Yes it should be legal. Our govt should not interfere with the pursuit of happiness between 2 people, even if money is exchanged.

So, what if I want to bang you and I found out from one of your clients what your going rate was.

Can I just show up at you house with the cash in hand and tell you to bend over the kitchen table while the kids your babysitting are in the next room watching spongebob and your husband is at work?

Or is it only at the workers convenience?

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MykeNukem
Yes.

Or at the very least decriminalized...

NO

This allows traffickers.

That statement is referring to prostitution...

Do you think the girl who was trafficked deserves a charge? Of course not...

Now, if you would like me to unpack that statement...I do think it requires regulation....they are not mutually exclusive...

IMO — it needs to be treated the same as any legitimate business.

Arresting a prostitute that’s been trafficked — could save her life.

I think they could use the Escort business as a model. They'd have to add some health regulations and such...but would be a good model to start. Independent Contractors that pay taxes.

There are plenty of models around the world where prostitution is legal.

I don’t see why we’d have to have a “one fits all”.

Where did I mention anything about one size fits all?

That's twice now you have attributed words to me, that I didn't say...

I would think the term “Independent contractor” in my post, sort of makes your reply a little redundant, no?

I’m not attributing words to you. Those are my words.

I simplify — put things in the simplest context. Not having a “One fits all” covers all variations.

a reply to: MapOfNowhere

In the past few decades we have an epidemic of children being born into single parent families and becoming a burden on the tax payer to take care of the family. Prostitution as a profession may or may not cause a further exacerbation of this problem.

In recent years personal responsibility and consequences for actions have been diminished by laws that encourage irresponsibility and further cause the men to be treated as the sole party of guilt in nsa relationships and hookups when financial responsibility can be given.

Without legal protections to the consumer and tax payer I feel like this will back fire in the face of every tax payer and consumer.

The same goes for drugs that have dependencies such alcohol, heroin, meth, opioids and become burdens to the tax payer due to irresponsible personal decisions.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: JAGStorm

Misplaced morality springs to mind.

Religion also plays its part aka The Holy Roman Church of St Peter depictions of Mary Magdalene being a prostitute.

If you haven't dressed your lady up in Nun-gear, you're letting life pass you by.

originally posted by: MapOfNowhere
Prostitution should absolutely be legalized. Just like all drugs and euthanasia.

And why "2 consenting adults" it can be 3. Or 4. Or 20. If they are adults, and both or all participants are consenting, and money is involved, then so what? It should be no business of the government and their lawmakers.

Here’s a scenario: You have a brick and mortar bake shop. Another person bakes at home, has a cart, sets it up in front of your business.

You are paying licensing fees, electricity, taxes, etc.

What prevents this scenario. And no, you can’t shoot the cart person.

a reply to: NightVision

Whatever floats your boat mate.

Then again it could have a drawback or two in this brave new Rainbow colored world.

originally posted by: tinktinktink
a reply to: MapOfNowhere

In the past few decades we have an epidemic of children being born into single parent families and becoming a burden on the tax payer to take care of the family. Prostitution as a profession may or may not cause a further exacerbation of this problem.

In recent years personal responsibility and consequences for actions have been diminished by laws that encourage irresponsibility and further cause the men to be treated as the sole party of guilt in nsa relationships and hookups when financial responsibility can be given.

Without legal protections to the consumer and tax payer I feel like this will back fire in the face of every tax payer and consumer.

The same goes for drugs that have dependencies such alcohol, heroin, meth, opioids and become burdens to the tax payer due to irresponsible personal decisions.

You are a pessimist.
I'm an optomist.
Prostitution could help single moms make ends meet and not need public assistance.
Countries where drugs are legal seem to be doing a lot better than the US!!

originally posted by: tinktinktink
a reply to: MapOfNowhere

In the past few decades we have an epidemic of children being born into single parent families and becoming a burden on the tax payer to take care of the family. Prostitution as a profession may or may not cause a further exacerbation of this problem.

In recent years personal responsibility and consequences for actions have been diminished by laws that encourage irresponsibility and further cause the men to be treated as the sole party of guilt in nsa relationships and hookups when financial responsibility can be given.

Without legal protections to the consumer and tax payer I feel like this will back fire in the face of every tax payer and consumer.

The same goes for drugs that have dependencies such alcohol, heroin, meth, opioids and become burdens to the tax payer due to irresponsible personal decisions.

The problem is laws and making something illegal does not stop a product or service that is in demand. In most cases, all it does is create a criminal black market that brings a host of other problems in which those skirting the law have to resort to violence to protect their market and the cost to government and public of enforcement.

I am for legalizing drugs because you cannot stop idiots from getting high. Secondly, the cost of enforcement is too high to society. I rather legalize it and instead of spending money on tacticool equipment and prisons so the local cops can arrest people, I rather that money be spent on rehab.

Same with prostitution. If a woman (or man) wants to sell themselves to johns, I have no problem with it. As long as it is two consenting legally aged adults, I really don't care. Simple regulations to prevent pimping and ensure safety of hooker and john is all that is needed.

As others have stated, women often prostitute themselves out now under different legal scenarios. Hot 30 something marries a 70 year old billionaire... no one says that is a prositute when she is clearly in it for the money. Girl wants a nice dinner before letting a guy hit it, that is just a date. Film two people getting it on and pay then a few hundred bucks, that is making a movie.

a reply to: Edumakated

As others have stated, women often prostitute themselves out now under different legal scenarios. Hot 30 something marries a 70 year old billionaire... no one says that is a prositute when she is clearly in it for the money. Girl wants a nice dinner before letting a guy hit it, that is just a date. Film two people getting it on and pay then a few hundred bucks, that is making a movie.

Aren't we all prostituting ourselves, a bit of our life for money.. some like to call that work..

a reply to: JAGStorm

You start this topic now after all your ranting the other day about people who want to celebrate the holidays with their families?

Soooo, you are all for letting strangers get up close and personal face to face, swapping body fluids, but families cannot meat to celebrate holidays in one home, you know because grandma will die.

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: Annee
YES

Legalized and regulated.

Why are so many people against it?

I seriously wonder. They claim morality, but we all know
it is happening.

It's mostly some kind of virtue signal, on morality. I'm sure there are some genuine well meaning opposition though. Also, they don't get that if legal and regulated..workers are far better protected.

It absolutly should be legal, and regulated to some degree.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: JAGStorm

You start this topic now after all your ranting the other day about people who want to celebrate the holidays with their families?

Soooo, you are all for letting strangers get up close and personal face to face, swapping body fluids, but families cannot meat to celebrate holidays in one home, you know because grandma will die.

???

I didn't see any context for covid here..jumping the gun a bit?

originally posted by: tinktinktink
a reply to: MapOfNowhere

In the past few decades we have an epidemic of children being born into single parent families and becoming a burden on the tax payer to take care of the family. Prostitution as a profession may or may not cause a further exacerbation of this problem.

In recent years personal responsibility and consequences for actions have been diminished by laws that encourage irresponsibility and further cause the men to be treated as the sole party of guilt in nsa relationships and hookups when financial responsibility can be given.

Without legal protections to the consumer and tax payer I feel like this will back fire in the face of every tax payer and consumer.

The same goes for drugs that have dependencies such alcohol, heroin, meth, opioids and become burdens to the tax payer due to irresponsible personal decisions.

If legal and regulated, with birth control..etc I don't see your argument on pregnancy..in fact there would be less of that. I doubt it's a huge issue to begin with.

Prostitution should be legalised when it can be evidenced that the exploitation of women, girls and (yes) men and boys is reduced. If legalisation reduces the trade in vulnerable women then that would be a good rationale and morally supportable.

The problem with the legalisation debate is that while some women may be able to consent, many are not. They are controlled by pimps and others who exploit.

Good thread though with some good comments, but to note that it's not all about regulating to ensure the woman is free of STD!

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: WildBillX

originally posted by: JAGStorm
kfax.com...

According to Life Site News, the 2020 presidential hopeful said that despite her previous crack down on sex work when she was California’s Attorney General, she would like to see prostitution – between two consenting adults – decriminalized.
“When you are talking about consenting adults, I think that, you know... yes. We should really consider that we can’t criminalize consensual behavior as long as no one is being harmed.”

Let's not get into the nasty bits of this, and focus on the legality.

I'm all for it. I grew up in countries where it was legal and it sure seemed to be fine.
Let's not kid ourselves either, legal or not people will do it. I personally think it will benefit women & may
possibly stop some human trafficking's.

Legalized but regulated is ideologically incoherent.

What do you think legalized and regulated means?

I think he is trying to say that if you legalize it, there shouldn't be any regulations. A bit of an extreme position.

Even though I am libertarian (generally), I don't think anyone believes there shouldn't be regulations of any kind. The question is how much regulation is necessary to ensure a free and functioning market where consumers are protected but business isn't hamstrung either.

I don't think it is all that complicated. The problem is you can't regulate away stupidity or criminal intent. It is kind of like with product warnings. No matter how safe you make something, nature always builds a better idiot.

So much this.

I’m currently in a group text with some of my former band members, we’re all discussing the election. I made a point about how I “threw away my vote” and voted for Jorgensen and my buddy replied, “Oh, that’s right, Drew doesn’t think the government should exist at all.”

Then I had to go through the explanation I’ve given hundreds of times; I’m not for no-government, I’m not for zero regulations, I just want as minimal as possible so the planet and people don’t get f*cked over.

In regards to prostitution, do it up. Treat it just like the porn industry, mandatory testing every 14 days for sex workers. In the end, people will still have to use their heads. If anyone is having unprotected sex with a prostitute, they’re a f*cking idiot, regulated or not.