Tens of Thousands of Pennsylvania Ballots Returned Earlier Than Sent Date: Researcher

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

I understand that it's not likely we'll ever get completely perfect alignment across all 50 states on voting protocols, but this situation needs improvement. It's like each state is a completely different country when it comes to how they manage elections. We are all confused about how and when to vote, and with good reason, because the rules are completely different, depending on who you talk to and where they live.

Issues such as you just described are why President Lincoln wanted centralization of government. Not saying he was right or wrong, just that the inherent problems that come with uniting many states under a central law of the land are many.

a reply to: Klassified

I have no problem with the protection and cultivation of states' rights.

You want to have different arrangements in Maine or Montana or Michigan for how the governor is chosen, or laws on the speed limit on state highways, or purchase of firearms, these things all seem fine to be in the control of the individual states.

For POTUS, we're talking about one person to be the chosen Executive authority for the WHOLE country. Every state. The election process for POTUS needs to be simpatico everywhere in the United States. Period.

a reply to: EightAhoy

Can you kindly read your very own post where you have the word postmark in it.
Please and thank you.

That's my point, Dash. Pre-paid indicia is a postmark. And, the county I mention had a 10/9 prepaid postage indicia -- and likely the date county employees ran the pre-paid envelope through the meter, before stuffing and mailing out to voters having requested a mail-in ballot.

Again I ask you: Where are YOU finding the word postmark versus mark?

a reply to: EightAhoy

pre-paid postage indicia on the mailing envelope for return to county courthouse, and yes, postmarked 10/9/20 -- likely the day the county ran the envelope through their own postage meter so residents could mail ballot without affixing postage

Prepaid postage is a mark indicating that postage is paid.
a postmark means that the post office has received the mail from you and is being forwarded for processing.

The difference being one indicates that you don't have to pay for a postage stamp the other indicates that they back dated proof of receipt from a voter

It was a Federal Election, having 50 sets of rules is begging for fraud. We need one set of rules and one set of protocols for all Federal Elections. The states can do what ever they want in local elections. Personally I think anything less than a confirmation of voter Id is foolish as is voting by mail.

originally posted by: Nickn3
It was a Federal Election, having 50 sets of rules is begging for fraud. We need one set of rules and one set of protocols for all Federal Elections. The states can do what ever they want in local elections. Personally I think anything less than a confirmation of voter Id is foolish as is voting by mail.

So you want to discount the over seas military mailed in ballots?
Check.
And also those of us that contracted covid?
Check.
I say we keep the cameras on and if you can Do the drive through drop off or walk in drop off via zero machine voting stations. Works for me.
And get new fool proof counting machines.

Seems to me that if one can go to Walmart, Home Improvement Center, Grocery Store, Convenience store or Gas Station etc. then one should be able to vote physically on the appropriate day. Positive I.D. and Purple fingers are definitely in order.

No the China-virus is no excuse as 99.9% did make above trips without problem.

If absentee ballots are used at all then should be for those who are provably unable to be present on voting day such as military, nursing home or foreign travel. Provably is the controlling word.

All others unable are due apathy, laziness, poor time management and BS excuses - IMO = self induced failure on a personal level that demands look in mirror when assigning any blame.

The "impossible" ballot post marking is just another of a long line of things demanding an incredulous thought process totally devoid of common sense to accept as plausible in any sense of the word.

A friend said "These people are stupid" - case in point.

originally posted by: Nickn3
It was a Federal Election, having 50 sets of rules...

Translation: I don't like the Constitution and what it says about elections.

originally posted by: Phoenix
Seems to me that if one can go to Walmart, Home Improvement Center, Grocery Store, Convenience store or Gas Station etc. then one should be able to vote physically on the appropriate day.

Moving forward I'm not in person voting ever again, this was much better than waiting on line for hours.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Sounds like a personal issue rather than one that should reside in any legislated or rule making body because its a personal "preference" rather than a "need" hence the majority should not serve your preference.

originally posted by: Phoenix
Sounds like a personal issue rather than one that should reside in any legislated or rule making body because its a personal "preference" rather than a "need" hence the majority should not serve your preference.

Uh, okay? It's still legally possible for me to do this because it's been legislated in my State that I can. Not sure what your point is.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

You've read my earlier post and know perfectly well what the point is/was. Its called we shouldn't bend or make rules that in essence create the possibility of fraud (even the whiff of) for your convenience, I expressed an opinion for change which is my right. Like said if you have time for any in person shopping, you have time for in person voting. If there is a line that issue should be presented to election authority rather than instituting a pathway for fraud "just for my convenience"

a reply to: Phoenix

Well I guess you're waaaaaaaaay too late on that front, all States have provisions for mail in voting and have for some time.

Your shopping analogy is irrelevant and based on a false equivocation. Where I spend my time is not your business, if I chose to wait on line in one place it has no bearing on what I do at another. If you think mail in voting is 'rife for fraud' go petition your state to eliminate that, in the interim I'll be voter frauding away at my leisure moving forward.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I never even received a mail in ballot here in Illinois, but I'm not sure it even matters. Chicago runs this state.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I fully intend to do just that AM. Mainly because I don't like narcissistic types that believe they're special over everyone else basically effing things up for the rest of us due their self important but baseless need to be always at the front of the line. When it comes to voting yes it is everyone's business to get it right - not convenient. If you want convenience go corner 7-Eleven or such.

originally posted by: Phoenix
If you want convenience go corner 7-Eleven or such.

Nope.

I want voting convenience and guess what? I have it.

Mail in voting is the way to go, soooooo easy and soooooo convenient. No more waiting on lines like if I were to ever go to a Walmart, which I won't.

a reply to: Phoenix

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: dashen
If Trump serves another 4 years, he and the republicans had better fix this mess while they can, because if they don't, it will only get worse from here.

If he does not serve another 4 years, it won't matter.

You still don't get it.

Trump and his team were fully aware they were going to do this, because they do it all the time, and have been for decades.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
I want voting convenience and guess what? I have it.

Mail in voting is the way to go, soooooo easy and soooooo convenient. No more waiting on lines like if I were to ever go to a Walmart, which I won't.

Pretty sure every state in the union has provided for absentee ballots since... forever.

No need for mail-in voting - unless of course you are in favor of massive vote fraud.