Former Giuliani associate raises questions about Hunter Biden’s ‘hard drive from hell’

a reply to: IAMTAT

Is it possible the Feds do not want him to speak on it at the moment? Is it possible that they have something going on behind the scenes that they will announce shortly? That by him not speaking on it allows something else to occur? I don't know that for sure, or if that is a practice that happens sometimes during investigations, but maybe?

a reply to: network dude

Tell me, do you think this might be how some of the life long political figures amass such wild fortunes? Or are they all just really good a saving?

They probably do it like our politicians do it , letting their name be used as a board member for businesses while still being in public service , high reward low effort.

Chris Grayling , or Failing Grayling as he's known to us gets £100,000 a year for nothing.

According to the MPs’ register of financial interests, he will be paid for seven hours work a week for a year. The appointment has been approved by a Whitehall watchdog despite it raising concerns of a “perceived risk” that it may give the firm an unfair advantage.
www.theguardian.com...

Easy money , no corruption needed.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: network dude

Hunter lived in LA at the time. Guiliani first stated that the owner determined the laptop was Hunter's because of the Biden Foundation sticker on a laptop. Not because of a receipt. That came after the first story. The signature is similar to the other but not an exact match. Of course people don't always sign the same when in a rush, etc. That would be for experts to determine.

You believe that it is just coincidence that info Guiliani was trying to get for years, just happened to be handed to him a month or so before the election? Of all the people the owner could have given it to? His own lawyer, the press, etc. It goes to the one person who was all over the globe trying to get it?

to be honest, at first, I thought it was a joke. Way too perfect timing. I was worried, if Trump would pull some bullsh!t like this, it would sink him.

But then a strange thing happened. Nobody, not anyone, (zero people) denied the laptop was Hunters or that the e-mails were real.

And that caught my attention. Then seeing the Senate report on Hunter and tying all that together, well, ,it's starting to look a lot like this stuff is real, and America might be dodging a huge bomb by NOT electing Joe.

So why do you suppose Joe nor Hunter has anything to say about the content?

I've mentioned before that I felt the Derivative Evidence Doctrine -better known as Fruit of the Poisonous Tree- was at play regarding all the unsubstantiated rumors of seditious/treasonous behavior by certain parties. Having Chinese dissidents be the messengers may be a clumsy way around it. I never heard of GTV before yesterday. Now they're dropping salacious pics and videos every hour to coincide with the shady business dealings laid out in the emails. Seeing as they are avowed anti-CCP I can understand how they might want to link this to a China intelligence op. I don't see how Giuliani keeps his hands clean by associating with them. Both ends playing the middle.

The total picture is a 10,000 piece puzzle and I'm not convinced the pieces all belong to the same portrait being put together. Now Paul Pelosi is featured in a pic with a promise of more to follow. What's the end game? All I see is complete and irreversible division unless irrefutable proof is dropped. No one trust federal law enforcement at this point. Who vets this stuff that a majority will believe? Even here the division is palpable.

a reply to: 1010set

I think the information "drip" has more to do with getting the desired outcome, then stopping the rest of the flow of information, so it can remain a valuable asset. if they threw out all the cards, there would be too much for most of us to digest.

And when needed, you can be sure the bad stuff about GOP members will start to emerge.

At the moment, the main concern should be on this data, verifying it's validity, and acting on those proven facts. But that isn't how politics works at all.

Money has to be made first and foremost, then we can get to those pesky facts.

a reply to: gortex

I'm not claiming he performed any legal favours just that Parnas claimed favours were sought for information given.

Then there is no allegation of impropriety against Guiliani, and certainly no tainting of the evidence.

If person A receives information that person B has committed a crime, and person C has proof of that crime but demands person A commit a crime in exchange for it, it does not follow that person B cannot be prosecuted should the evidence be obtained another way. That's just silly. No one would ever be subject to prosecution.

As I previously stated, Zlochevsky is well-known for using, shall we say, unscrupulous methods for obtaining what he wants. It takes no stretch of the imagination to believe he would ask Guiliani for favors in return for the information. It does take some stretch of the imagination to believe Guiliani performed those favors in the complete absence of any evidence, and an even greater stretch of the imagination to believe that he would hold that information so long after committing improper favors to obtain it.

You are clutching at straws, gortex. Hunter Biden has a history of being dishonorably discharged from the military for drug use. He obtained a position of great authority in one of the largest Ukrainian energy companies, owned by a known international criminal, without any experience or expertise making large sums of money while his father was Vice President and the point man for US Ukraine relations. He received $1.5 billion from China during the same time frame under the same circumstances. His father is on record literally bragging about how he stopped an investigation into Hunter's company in Ukraine using US funds designated for Ukraine as leverage. Now Hunter's laptop, dropped off by Hunter himself and abandoned, accompanied by a receipt signed by Hunter, has surfaced in FBI possession with incriminating evidence that incriminates both he and his father in even more serious crimes.

You're running out of ways to spin this. Asking a question is one thing, but ignoring reality to create a twisted conspiracy theory that defies all known evidence... that's something else entirely.

TheRedneck

a reply to: network dude

I see your point. I just feel the Law of Unintended Consequences is going to raise it's ugly head. Sometimes it's best to just rip the band-aid off. I get the sense of a pressure-cooker about to fail with the way things are headed.

a reply to: network dude

I answered that question a few posts up. I have no idea, but is it possible the Feds do not want him to make any statement at the moment? Something to do with their investigation?

I think people just assume I don't believe any of the info. It is not true, the photos I have seen seem legit. I have some questions about some of the new texts. I have not looked at all the supposed video that dropped last night that is supposed to prove child porn. I will not look at that, although in another thread I read you can't even really tell who anybody is in the video.

As someone who has been on ATS for 16 years, it just seemed natural to question the convenience of the way the information popped up after there were claims of an Oct surprise coming, and with Rudy and Steve involved.

originally posted by: 1010set
a reply to: network dude

I see your point. I just feel the Law of Unintended Consequences is going to raise it's ugly head. Sometimes it's best to just rip the band-aid off. I get the sense of a pressure-cooker about to fail with the way things are headed.

I'm pretty scared about the scope of all of this. I can't imagine that it's only democrats, as the dripped info thus far points to. And with the FBI, we now know they have had this information since late last year, and haven't done anything with it publicly, is a huge issue.

That they would let this kind of scandal stay hidden, when the security of the USA is at stake, is a monumental issue. What could possibly be larger than having China getting direct influence on US policy making? perhaps China having almost total control of our government? I hope to hell not, but I'm running out of ideas as to why any of this is happening.

I said it the other day, this is empire ending stuff right here.

originally posted by: network dude

I said it the other day, this is empire ending stuff right here.

This reminded me of one of my favorite philosophies from Sun Tzu. To paraphrase:

"When on Death Ground...attack."

a reply to: 1010set

I think when that time comes, it will be easily understood. I just hope it doesn't come.

a reply to: frogs453

As someone who has been on ATS for 16 years, it just seemed natural to question the convenience of the way the information popped up after there were claims of an Oct surprise coming, and with Rudy and Steve involved.

I have no doubt that there is more than simple coincidence when it comes to the timing. My personal opinion is that Trump was allowing the FBI to do their thing, but with the election getting close and the use of mail-in voting to try and increase the potential for fraud, Trump probably figured he had better get the information out. Guiliani probably already had the information but was waiting on the FBI.

Only a fool telegraphs his cards; the wise man holds them close to his chest. That's not just for politicians, either. It applies to everyone.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: frogs453
I have not looked at all the supposed video that dropped last night that is supposed to prove child porn.

Allegedly it doesn't, it's him banging some woman who is referred to in the description as 'a woman'.

And, yes, I saw the video, it's out.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Sounds plausible to me.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: frogs453
I have not looked at all the supposed video that dropped last night that is supposed to prove child porn.

Allegedly it doesn't, it's him banging some woman who is referred to in the description as 'a woman'.

And, yes, I saw the video, it's out.

Ohhh...I was reading something about one with feet and a supposed 14 year old girl that was supposedly out. Can't remember what thread is on here maybe the WH one.

I have no doubt there are probably quite a few of him with adult females.

a reply to: frogs453

That's the one I saw, her face is blocked. There's a link to it on The Gateway Pundit.

ETA: For what it's worth I don't think that was filmed in China, there's a TV running in the background and it's clearly an American station with commercials from here in English.

a reply to: network dude

I'm pretty scared about the scope of all of this. I can't imagine that it's only democrats, as the dripped info thus far points to. And with the FBI, we now know they have had this information since late last year, and haven't done anything with it publicly, is a huge issue.

I promise you it's not just Democrats. This is indeed "empire ending stuff." If everything were to come out, there would likely be nearly as many Republicans as Democrats implicated.

No, this is Trump vs. Deep State, not Republicans vs. Democrats. The difference is that, for now at least, Trump and Guiliani are probably trying to protect Republicans as well. If 90% of the Congress is removed from office, there will be no government, at a time when government assistance is sorely needed. I suppose one could say that We the People are being held hostage unwittingly.

The optimal solution would be for the voters to remove those implicated. That way the government could continue without interruption. But it seems some of the DNC leaders don't care about that, as long as they get out with as little hide lost as possible. Biden's election is their ultimate out: all the investigations will cease, the evidence will disappear, and those who remember the scandal will simply be shrugged off as conspiracy theorists.

Or worse.

TheRedneck

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Lol I will still pass. As a female my porn taste would not be cracked out dude and hooker.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: network dude

I'm pretty scared about the scope of all of this. I can't imagine that it's only democrats, as the dripped info thus far points to. And with the FBI, we now know they have had this information since late last year, and haven't done anything with it publicly, is a huge issue.

I promise you it's not just Democrats. This is indeed "empire ending stuff." If everything were to come out, there would likely be nearly as many Republicans as Democrats implicated.

No, this is Trump vs. Deep State, not Republicans vs. Democrats. The difference is that, for now at least, Trump and Guiliani are probably trying to protect Republicans as well. If 90% of the Congress is removed from office, there will be no government, at a time when government assistance is sorely needed. I suppose one could say that We the People are being held hostage unwittingly.

The optimal solution would be for the voters to remove those implicated. That way the government could continue without interruption. But it seems some of the DNC leaders don't care about that, as long as they get out with as little hide lost as possible. Biden's election is their ultimate out: all the investigations will cease, the evidence will disappear, and those who remember the scandal will simply be shrugged off as conspiracy theorists.

Or worse.

TheRedneck

totally agree. I'm not sure which I fear more. And I'm not used to be afraid of things. this scares the sh!t out of me.

I've lived 51 years and not had to take a life as of yet. I'd prefer to continue with that winning streak.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: tinktinktink
"Another witness coming forward to verify the authenticity of the Hunter/joe legacy of corruption."

How so ? ,this witness casts doubt on that narrative and the claim of the source of that narrative.

No, he is simply saying the info is out there from other sources. Like, maybe, they had copies of the emails and texts they got from the NSAs database that records any/all of electronic communications (not just the meta-data, the actual content).

He was corroborating the CONTENT.