Why would Capitalist Tech Corporations want Socialism. ?

a reply to: FamCore
So, it isn't "real capitalism"?

People are often criticized when they use that type of reasoning to defend communism/socialism when real world failures of those systems are brought up.

Maybe capitalists need to recognize the shortcomings of their pet system as well.

a reply to: smurfy

Itd be nice if you'd just answer the question rather than signal your virtues.

Why would capitalists want socialism? I can't figure it out either. Im a capitalist through and through. And see no value in socialism on the scale being sought.

The end goal for Earth is a socialist system. Not my end goal, mind you...but progressivism is "progressing" to this. Shiny high tech cities, interplanetary travel, unicorns kissing...all that stuff.

The problem is that while on paper, it makes the most sense...what is never included in the drawings is human nature. While most humans are fairly altruistic, even the most altruistic is going to buy 80 rolls of toilet paper when they are afraid of not having any in the near future.

FWIW, we still haven't gone through the toilet paper we had amassed prior to the COVID deal. Couponing builds large stockpiles.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: asabuvsobelow
Why ?

One word:
Pedophilia....

China is socialist, don't they have the death penalty for things like that?

When was the last time any prominent Chinese was arrested for pedophilia or human trafficking ?
Never.
Exactly - socialism

The SAME Chinese socialism that killed tens of millions, and that even TODAY runs extermination camps for the Uyghurs.

And you support socialism ?
Really ?

a reply to: smurfy

You cannot be a socialist and a capitalist at the same time.

You can be a capitalist. Within that scope you have all of the things capitalism has made possible. Like welfarism.

Welfarism is what most westerners think is socialism. But welfarism can only happen in a capitalist society. Otherwise there is no revenue to draw from to satisfy the welfare state. This is typically called the Nordic Model as well as other similar welfarist states.

Socialism is the seizure of the means of production. Often times this is misunderstood to mean the factories and machinery of the economy.

But the economy is really the people and the means of production is you and me. Socialism seizes people and captures the fruits of their labor for the benefit of the state.

Socialism is the road to Communism.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

It's not Socialism it's Eugenics.

originally posted by: karl 12
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

It's not Socialism it's Eugenics.

Mate this is not 1944 Nazi Germany .

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Its communism really. Look at China. It's a communist country. It didn't stop a few people from becoming billionaires.

It's the 99% of us that are going to suffer.

Well since very little about the Dems is actually "socialist", kinda makes this whole thread a massive exercise in ATS righties getting definitions wrong for the millionth time. The corporatocracy wants stability. The Dems are much more likely to bring stability to the markets as Trump doesn't bring stability to, well, anything. That's really all they/you/I need to know to get it.

Both parties are bought and sold so that's a non-issue. That's just capitalism winning.

I get the impression that, for the most part, the elites who push for socialism really only see it as a means to consolidate power and control over the unwashed masses.

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

I may be exposing a bit of ignorance on my part here , but that is ok it's part of life how can we gain wisdom without first admitting we know very little about something.

www.foxbusiness.com...

I'm using the above report as an example of Big Social media tech siding with the Democrats or aka the future Socialist , because one way or another these guys will gain power whether they win now or win in four years.

My question is this .

Why would huge Capitalist Big tech companies side with Socialist ? It makes no since these companies rose to power and made there billions using the Capitalist system if it were not for Capitalism they would be just some tech firm under the purview of a Socialist Government.

These companies seem to be doing everything with in there power legal and illegal to make sure these Socialist capture power in the USA , can someone please shed some light on this .

Billion dollar free enterprise tech companies , and they want socialism I must admit I am at a loss on this one.

I'm a capitalist, I'm also a socialist...not a commie, or of extreme view. D'ya want to label me in some way?

You can't be a capitalist and a socialist at the same time. They are both diametrically opposed economic philosophies.

originally posted by: Ohanka

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

I may be exposing a bit of ignorance on my part here , but that is ok it's part of life how can we gain wisdom without first admitting we know very little about something.

www.foxbusiness.com...

I'm using the above report as an example of Big Social media tech siding with the Democrats or aka the future Socialist , because one way or another these guys will gain power whether they win now or win in four years.

My question is this .

Why would huge Capitalist Big tech companies side with Socialist ? It makes no since these companies rose to power and made there billions using the Capitalist system if it were not for Capitalism they would be just some tech firm under the purview of a Socialist Government.

These companies seem to be doing everything with in there power legal and illegal to make sure these Socialist capture power in the USA , can someone please shed some light on this .

Billion dollar free enterprise tech companies , and they want socialism I must admit I am at a loss on this one.

I'm a capitalist, I'm also a socialist...not a commie, or of extreme view. D'ya want to label me in some way?

You can't be a capitalist and a socialist at the same time. They are both diametrically opposed economic philosophies.

The only way you can be a Capitalist and a Socialist is being a Narcissist.

a reply to: Ohanka

Reminds me of the meme where the lady says "Yes im a vegan, yes I eat meat"

originally posted by: Ohanka
You can't be a capitalist and a socialist at the same time. They are both diametrically opposed economic philosophies.

Sure you can, you just need to come up with another label to describe someone who supports mixed economies. The obvious one is "mixed economist".

I'd be willing to bet that most, if not all, economies in the world are mixed economies.

Of course you are a left of center mixed economist or right of center mixed economist doesn't roll off the tongue like dirty commie or capitalist pig and they lack the punch people are looking for when wanting to express how diametrically opposed they are to the other person's position.

well a lot of near misses I'd say as whatever we're in & to what we're heading into both end in 'ism'. Just to what level of rancidity & lumpy texture will define the past & present eventually. IMHO.

Why would Capitalist Tech Corporations want Socialism.

Got me.

Socialism means ownership of the means of production.

Which means It won't be Dorsey,or Zuckerberg calling the shots anymore.

That and higher taxes, living wages and all that other fun stuff that comes from the 'peoples' ownership of snip.

originally posted by: neo96
Why would Capitalist Tech Corporations want Socialism.

Got me.

Socialism means ownership of the means of production.

Which means It won't be Dorsey,or Zuckerberg calling the shots anymore.

That and higher taxes, living wages and all that other fun stuff that comes from the 'peoples' ownership of snip.

Socialism means ownership of the means of production.

Could it be that the "means of production" in reality means "people"?

Central banking in the Communist Manifesto, even though I think it was Stalin that took away currency from the public. Communism, and even facism would want it to over see and control the flow of resources, instead of inflation, interest, or taxes to replenish treasuries.

Same could be said it being a necessary evil, but the difference, how involved they get. At least you get a number overdue statements, instead of going to a gulag for a one day over due payment.

a reply to: drewlander

Yeah, them damn Boomers. 🙄
Then you'll be left with bitter and tired Gen Xer's like me, (not old, but experienced), who got caught in the middle of you 2 crowds of lunatics and paid the price.
You think Millennials and Zoomers are off the hook at that point?
😂

Because it is all about Kontrol.

Being nestled in an industry which was in fact conceived
on it’s ability to influence, direct, amplify and collect,
is not a bad place to be during socialist renaissance.

Control is Control.
The term ‘socialism’ is interchangeable
with any government heavy institution.

I think the term you’re looking for,
and which system the tech industry wants, covets,
was born to become,
is technofascism.

The problem is no one can see the trees for the forest...
and when they do, they are literally arrested; worse than arrested,
and it does not go away (there is no resolution to a non-criminal arrest).

So, yeah. I think that is why big tech wants technofascism.
Socialism enables it just fine.
Remember this. When they appear at your door:
they are armed,
heavily armed,
with a decision to make.
There’s this fledgling industry called social credit scoring....
flashing fangs the second it was born, and it’s wares consist of nothing
save for a webwork of chains.
They are, quite literally, selling chains.



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