Absolute Proof the Earth is Round NOT Flat!

a reply to: turbonium1

Your caught like a rat in a trap. You cannot plug just two simple numbers is a right triangle calculator to prove the earth is big enough for the sun to appear on the horizon by “prospective” and “vanishing point”. Right angle trigonometry makes it impossible for the sun to appear to set below the horizon on a flat earth.

Your caught in the trap of your own lies, and your web of deceit has choked your credibility.

You have to ignore actual experimentation from actual flat earther’s.

FLAT EARTH IS THE LIE.

a reply to: turbonium1

If the earth is flat. Why does the sun set below the horizon as seen from the state of Missouri, and not appear to set behind the Rocky Mountains? Why doesn’t the Rocky Mountains cast their shadow on Missouri when the sun sets?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

If the earth is flat. Why does the sun set below the horizon as seen from the state of Missouri, and not appear to set behind the Rocky Mountains? Why doesn’t the Rocky Mountains cast their shadow on Missouri when the sun sets?

That would be so cool to imagine the shadow slowly creeping across the state. lol

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
Why can you see more of the EArth from higher up?

Umm, we DO see more of the Earth from higher up..

Ever been in a plane and looked out the window at, say, 20,000 feet, on a clear day? I guess you haven't, or don't remember if you ever have. You will see hundreds of miles of Earth below you, out to the horizon, which is ALSO seen, no matter what altitude you are at.

I've seen the Earth from 40000 feet up, several times. I'd put money on my having been on many more flights than you - flights planned on the basis of a globe. I've even travelled to the southern hemisphere. You do see lot more Earth beneath you, simply because you're higher up. Keep going higher, you'll see curve.

A horizon also proves Earth is flat. If Earth was a ball, the horizon would NEVER be around eye level at 20,000 feet altitude. You'd have to look straight down from the window, to see it, if you COULD see it, that is!

The horizon is not at eye level. This is one of the most common examples flat Earthers have of being unable to think in 3 dimensions. It is not at eye level, your eye is looking at it.

Your argument is that the horizon, as shown in your image of the poles over the lake, are where the poles go over a 'curve', and that's why we cannot see them beyond that point, right?

Stone cold solid fact.

In other words, you believe that this horizon, which lies about 3 miles outward, is the extent of our view of Earth, at the HIGHEST POINT WE CAN SEE IT.

You're on fire!

You believe Earth is a ball, so the highest point on a ball, is wherever you are ON the ball, anywhere on Earth. And so, the horizon is the HIGHEST point, or line, you can SEE on the ball Earth. If you rise above Earth, the horizon can NOT rise any higher, because it is the highest point or line on the ball Earth. Of course, the horizon on a ball Earth will stretch out further and further, as you rise above the surface, but it will CONTINUALLY 'CURVE DOWNWARD', as well.

Aww then you kind of disintegrated into word salad, but you're still hanging in there. The Earth's surface curves continually. All the time. Well done. You clearly understand the concept. Just a shame you dismiss it out of hand without any evidence to support that decision. If you keep going high enough, you'll see the curvature.



A horizon on a ball Earth can NEVER rise. So when we see a horizon from a plane window, directly at eye level, as shown here...






All that's happening there is that the camera is looking at the horizon. Why can't see the entire Eath from Everest?

Get a cardboard tube and mount it on a stick. Put a line of thread across the centre. Go outside to a point where you can see the horizon. Look through the tube and angle it so tha tthe thread matches the horizon. Now turn the tube around. Where's the thread? Repeat with altitude.

It proves Earth is flat, and NOT a ball. The horizons shown above from plane windows, are at the same height we see horizons from the GROUND, directly at eye level. Horizons are ALWAYS at eye level, at ANY altitude above Earth, and that can ONLY happen if Earth is flat.

On either a ball Earth, or a flat Earth, the horizon would always stretch further and further out, as you rise above the surface, but it would not, could not, RISE to eye level, on a ball Earth, when you rise above the surface. It will ALWAYS be the same height, as seen from the surface, as it would be seen from ABOVE the surface. So when you rise ever higher, the horizon is at the same height, and would be seen ever lower and lower below you.

As you rise ever highter, the horizon simply gets further away and you see more of the ground. Eventually, you'll see the curve. Again you fail at spatial reasoning.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
I've repeatedly explained this to you. It is NOT 'curving', which is proven by a second viewpoint of the bridge, perpendicular to the first one, halfway up and to either side of it. That's as simple as it can get.

Splattering the same words in a different order screeching your insistence on a falsehood is neither explaining nor making it true. All you're doing is changing the perspective. You aren't suddenly making it change shape. The photograph I showed you has the causeway curving. In the middle of it you can't see land. On a flat Earth you'd be able to see land simply by getting out a pair of binoculars. You can't.

You don't seem to realize that this is an illusion, due to perspective and vanishing point, which is why I've explained to you, over and over again, that a second viewpoint of it would prove there is NO 'curve' at all. You can show all the images of a 'curving' bridge, or 'vanishing ships' beyond the horizon, they are ALL illusions of perspective, proven by seeing them from a second position, perpendicular to the first viewpoint.

Again, you explain nothing. You're just insisting that something is the case. Photographs clearly demonstrate the curve. It is not an illusion that you can't see land from the middle of the causeway bridge - you physically can't. It's not some piece of smoke and mirrors, it's a provable fact.

You might notice that your ball Earth stooges never show images of these very same bridges, very same poles, or very same ships, from another viewpoint, ALONG the horizon, do you? Of course not, that would spoil their trick, supporting the ball Earth lie, immediately. The idiots don't have a clue about it - just keep showing them images from a single viewpoint, outward, and declare 'this image proves that the Earth is a ball!'.

Except we did. You showed a picutre of the causeway where it would be impossibel to see it curve thanks to the persepective from which it was taken, then when another one gets shown showing there is curve, you get all hissy about it.

This whole farce only works because of people like you, who refuse to believe that other viewpoints, perpendicular to the first view, prove this is nothing but a trick, using perspective as a 'useful tool', to support their hideous lie. You won't even ADDRESS that there ARE such viewpoints of the same poles!

Why would you not address this, if you're so convinced Earth is a ball?

Apart from where we're addressing it you mean? You just stated that curvature is all an illusion of perspective, but perspective is now just a useful tool to prove you wrong unjustifiably? Which is it? Again, you're just a hypocrite.

You do not have the tools to cope with this topic: real world experience, practical knowledge, grasp of theory, spatial reasoning. All you have is a delusional paranoia that something that is being hidden from you, when really it's just your own failings that you refuse to address.

You're wrong, you will always be wrong, flat earth is a stupid idea promoted by morons who just want to prove they can win an argument. You have absolutely nothing that demonstates otherwise.

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

lol... i found a stack of flat earth groups on FB

I thought this was bad... it gets much... MUCH worse...

new ideas that will make you want to pull your hair out just to avoid the pain of your brain melting out your ears...

heres a nifty one i just heard.... Earth isn't a planet................

Its a realm...

a reply to: Akragon

The staggering amount of stupid out there is unbelievable.

A substantial number of the people claiming to be flat earthers, space deniers, or whatever, are just trolls. They don't want to prove you wrong, they just want to provce they can win an argument. A chunk of them don't believe in any of it, they just take the advertising revenue and sell you their DVDs, or whatever scam is paying for getting them drunk these days.

Beneath that is an unbelievable level of under-educated idiot so desperate to blame someone else for their crappy life they'll believe anything, even if it is so blatantly and obviously false. Whatever lazy meme or easy to swallow snappy catch phrase confirms their bias they'll take it, no matter how absolutely incorrect and without foundation it is. The alternative for them is to read a book with long words in it. Or buy a telescope.

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

blame it on religion...

every one of them are uneducated Christian fundies...

theres no such thing as an educated flat earther

a reply to: Akragon



I've said it many times: it's not religion, it's the religious.

Literal, and sometimes completely plain old plucked out of thin air interpretations of interpretations of transcriptions of spoken recollections of people trying to rationalise a complex world aren't the necessarily the word of God.

I see no reason why an all-powerful creator can't construct a universe where planets orbit suns in galaxies surrounded by other galaxies. There is no contradiction between spiritual and religious belief and wanting to understand and marvel at the mechanics of the creation, however that arose.

At their heart, most religions consist of:

1. Be nice
2. Get a wash
3. Don't eat that it might be bad
4. Don't worry, it might not all be pointless

Extending that to anything else is personal preference. You don't have the right to force your personal preferences on anyone.

Science deniers claiming to have a direct line to the mind of God are not to be taken seriously, and assuming they understand the spirituality and motivations of a person purely on the basis of their own delusions and prejudices is just offensive.

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: neutronflux

Ha. Just another thing that will be ignored by dear old turbo.

I saw nothing worth a response, that's how bad it is..

They ask 'How would Earth hold up in space?', which assumes that 'space' actually exists, as some 'infinite' area all around Earth, and stars are trillions of miles from Earth, etc.!

They ask 'how does the atmosphere stay above the Earth's surface, if it's flat?' Because the Earth is covered by the Firmament, idiot!


Even YOU know that 'gravity' and 'space' are YOUR claims, for YOUR fairy tale story, NOT mine. You cannot mix them into MY argument, and then claim 'this can't work on a flat Earth!'

I suggest that the next time you post a video, or want to post one, look through it all beforehand, and if you think it's made any valid points, that hold to the FLAT EARTH ARGUMENT, at some level.....that's good enough, to post.
But to just mindlessly post things, willy-nilly...wastes everyone's time, on both sides of this, or ANY OTHER, debate/discussion.

a reply to: turbonium1

Moving goalpost when this alone debunks flat earth.

It’s in your favorite medium. Video.

Behind the Curve' Ending: Flat Earthers Disprove Themselves With Own Experiments in Netflix Documentary

BY ANDREW WHALEN ON 2/25/19 AT 5:04 PM EST



www.newsweek.com...

Campanella devises an experiment involving three posts of the same height and a high-powered laser. The idea is to set up three measuring posts over a nearly 4 mile length of equal elevation. Once the laser is activated at the first post, its height can be measured at the other two. If the laser is at eight feet on the first post, then five feet at the second, then it indicates the measuring posts are set upon the Earth's curvature.

In his first attempt, Campanella's laser light spread out too much over the distance, making an accurate measurement impossible. But at the very end of Behind the Curve, Campanella comes up with a similar experiment, this time involving a light instead of a laser. With two holes cut into styrofoam sheets at the same height, Campanella hopes to demonstrate that a light shone through the first hole will appear on a camera behind the second hole, indicating that a light, set at the same height as the holes, travelled straight across the surface of the Flat Earth. But if the light needs to be raised to a different height than the holes, it would indicate a curvature, invalidating the Flat Earth.

Campanella watches when the light is activated at the same height as the holes, but the light can't be seen on the camera screen. "Lift up your light, way above your head," Campanella says. With the compensation made for the curvature of the Earth, the light immediately appears on the camera. "Interesting," Campanella says. "That's interesting." The documentary ends.

Flat earth is the proven lie. And flat earther’s literally debunked themselves by letting them just be flat earther’s.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
The horizon is not at eye level. This is one of the most common examples flat Earthers have of being unable to think in 3 dimensions. It is not at eye level, your eye is looking at it.
As you rise ever highter, the horizon simply gets further away and you see more of the ground. Eventually, you'll see the curve. Again you fail at spatial reasoning.

You've failed to grasp exactly how Earth would look, if it was a ball, when RISING ABOVE your 'ball Earth'.

If you believe this is NOT how a flat Earth horizon would appear, on the surface, or ABOVE the surface, at any altitude......why not explain what you think it WOULD look like, if the Earth WAS flat?

Where would we see the horizon, from 20-40 thousand feet altitude, on EACH surface - round AND flat? What do you believe would be DIFFERENT, between the two?

Don't try claiming that we can see any sort of 'curvature', or a 'slight curve', from a certain altitude above Earth, or some have seen a 'curve' of Earth, or images of a 'curve' are genuine images of Earth, because it's all BS.

Anyone here knows it's flat from above, at ANY altitude, it's beyond any doubt, or question.

Those of you who say it shows 'curvature' from a high enough altitude, either haven't BEEN at those altitudes, or are lying about it, or cannot accept reality, etc.

When you look at two images taken at 20,000 feet, for example, and one image shows a perfectly straight, flat horizon, and the other shows a curving horizon, they cannot both show the genuine, real horizon, as one is straight, and one is curved.....


When you show images from a plane, at any altitude, showing a 'curved' horizon, you have no clue that MOST images, those taken by millions of people a year, show a FLAT, STRAIGHT HORIZON, over and over again, and PROVES it is flat, NOT 'curving', at all!

Millions and millions of people have seen and/or taken photos/videos of a horizon, from planes, and they've shown a FLAT, STRAIGHT HORIZON, and have shown it flat, and straight, without ANY 'curving' at all, except those using some sort of effects, or special lenses, that is.


Maybe that's why people want to know if 'curvature' is ever VISIBLE from a PLANE, flying above the Earth, because none of them have ever SEEN it from a plane, they flew in, even once.

If we saw 'curvature' of Earth from airplanes, nobody would keep on asking about whether or not 'Earth's curvature' is VISIBLE from planes, if flying at, or above, a certain altitude.

People have never SEEN 'curvature' from above, in planes, so they ask if it CAN be seen above Earth, and if it CAN, what sort of altitude(s) .....

We've flown over the Earth - in early-day balloons, to modern-day airplanes, flying over 50000 feet altitude, and if there was any 'curvature' of Earth, it would be impossible to NOT see it, from such heights as these.

You believe that an image taken from one position, on the surface, looking outward to miles of poles, or a bridge(s), which would reach a horizon about 3 miles out, is actually 'curving' downward, as shown in that image!

Nobody can see 'curvature' from 20000 feet above Earth, but it's easy to see 'curvature' of those posts, and that bridge, over a 3 mile distance!

That's a fine argument you've got there!

'Curvature' is magical, it's whatever you want it to be, seen, or not seen, as you choose it to be!

Your 'curvature' isn't visible from 6 miles above Earth, in a plane, but look at how it 'curves' so much, within a 3 mile distance! Get serious!

a reply to: turbonium1

Nope. Your not changing the subject.

Your caught like a rat in a trap.

FLAT EARTH IS THE PROVEN LIE.

And flat earther’s literally debunked flat earth trying to prove it.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Moving goalpost when this alone debunks flat earth.

It’s in your favorite medium. Video.

Behind the Curve' Ending: Flat Earthers Disprove Themselves With Own Experiments in Netflix Documentary

BY ANDREW WHALEN ON 2/25/19 AT 5:04 PM EST



www.newsweek.com...

Campanella devises an experiment involving three posts of the same height and a high-powered laser. The idea is to set up three measuring posts over a nearly 4 mile length of equal elevation. Once the laser is activated at the first post, its height can be measured at the other two. If the laser is at eight feet on the first post, then five feet at the second, then it indicates the measuring posts are set upon the Earth's curvature.

In his first attempt, Campanella's laser light spread out too much over the distance, making an accurate measurement impossible. But at the very end of Behind the Curve, Campanella comes up with a similar experiment, this time involving a light instead of a laser. With two holes cut into styrofoam sheets at the same height, Campanella hopes to demonstrate that a light shone through the first hole will appear on a camera behind the second hole, indicating that a light, set at the same height as the holes, travelled straight across the surface of the Flat Earth. But if the light needs to be raised to a different height than the holes, it would indicate a curvature, invalidating the Flat Earth.

Campanella watches when the light is activated at the same height as the holes, but the light can't be seen on the camera screen. "Lift up your light, way above your head," Campanella says. With the compensation made for the curvature of the Earth, the light immediately appears on the camera. "Interesting," Campanella says. "That's interesting." The documentary ends.

Flat earth is the proven lie. And flat earther’s literally debunked themselves by letting them just be flat earther’s.

a reply to: turbonium1

Once again. because you don't seem to be getting the point, nothing of what you are claiming is true. No-one supports your increasingly desperate and pitiful position. I feel almost - but not quite - sorry for you.

originally posted by: neutronflux

a reply to: turbonium1

Nope. Your not changing the subject.

Your caught like a rat in a trap.

FLAT EARTH IS THE PROVEN LIE.

And flat earther’s literally debunked flat earth trying to prove it.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Moving goalpost when this alone debunks flat earth.

It’s in your favorite medium. Video.

Behind the Curve' Ending: Flat Earthers Disprove Themselves With Own Experiments in Netflix Documentary

BY ANDREW WHALEN ON 2/25/19 AT 5:04 PM EST



www.newsweek.com...

Campanella devises an experiment involving three posts of the same height and a high-powered laser. The idea is to set up three measuring posts over a nearly 4 mile length of equal elevation. Once the laser is activated at the first post, its height can be measured at the other two. If the laser is at eight feet on the first post, then five feet at the second, then it indicates the measuring posts are set upon the Earth's curvature.

In his first attempt, Campanella's laser light spread out too much over the distance, making an accurate measurement impossible. But at the very end of Behind the Curve, Campanella comes up with a similar experiment, this time involving a light instead of a laser. With two holes cut into styrofoam sheets at the same height, Campanella hopes to demonstrate that a light shone through the first hole will appear on a camera behind the second hole, indicating that a light, set at the same height as the holes, travelled straight across the surface of the Flat Earth. But if the light needs to be raised to a different height than the holes, it would indicate a curvature, invalidating the Flat Earth.

Campanella watches when the light is activated at the same height as the holes, but the light can't be seen on the camera screen. "Lift up your light, way above your head," Campanella says. With the compensation made for the curvature of the Earth, the light immediately appears on the camera. "Interesting," Campanella says. "That's interesting." The documentary ends.

Flat earth is the proven lie. And flat earther’s literally debunked themselves by letting them just be flat earther’s.

The very opposite is true - ball Earther's always debunk their own arguments, completely unaware of it.

You're just posting the same thing over and over again, on both threads, so please grow up, it's about time.

I'm going to point out something said by your source...

"In his first attempt, Campanella's laser light spread out too much over the distance, making an accurate measurement impossible. But at the very end of Behind the Curve, Campanella comes up with a similar experiment, this time involving a light instead of a laser."

The first sentence is an outright lie. Do you not realize that?

Here's some information you need to know about lasers....

"Lasers produce a narrow beam of light in which all of the light waves have very similar wavelengths. The laser's light waves travel together with their peaks all lined up, or in phase. This is why laser beams are very narrow, very bright, and can be focused into a very tiny spot."

Lasers produce a narrow beam of light in which all of the light waves have very similar wavelengths. ... Because laser light stays focused and does not spread out much (like a flashlight would), laser beams can travel very long distances. They can also concentrate a lot of energy on a very small area."


Your idiot says he couldn't use a laser light because it 'spread out too much'! And it's a lie, of course, as we all know - right? Indeed it is a lie.

When you keep posting the same thing, over and over again, at least make sure it's not complete BS.

This is a perfect example - when one is clueless about a source's validity, they may end up looking the fool, big time. If you'd stopped posting this over and over again, it's pass by without comment.

I gave you many chances to stop posting it, but you never stopped.


This snippet from the video is absolute crap. You should never have posted it in the FIRST place.

Why not move along from your BS video, and your BS 'list', nobody needs to see them for the umpteenth time again.

I'd wager even those on YOUR side are starting to retch, by this point!

There's nothing more to say about your video, so let's move along...

a reply to: turbonium1

Evident you cannot handle the truth.
Or the whole context of this post..

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Spherical earth wins again through experimentation. No room for your “illusions”....

The Rainy Lake Experiment
Saturday, July 20, 2019 - 00:50 | Author: wabis | Topics: FlatEarth, Knowlegde, Science, Experiment

walter.bislins.ch...

Backs the flat earth experiment on

Behind the Curve' Ending: Flat Earthers Disprove Themselves With Own Experiments in Netflix Documentary

BY ANDREW WHALEN ON 2/25/19 AT 5:04 PM EST



www.newsweek.com...

Campanella devises an experiment involving three posts of the same height and a high-powered laser. The idea is to set up three measuring posts over a nearly 4 mile length of equal elevation. Once the laser is activated at the first post, its height can be measured at the other two. If the laser is at eight feet on the first post, then five feet at the second, then it indicates the measuring posts are set upon the Earth's curvature.

In his first attempt, Campanella's laser light spread out too much over the distance, making an accurate measurement impossible. But at the very end of Behind the Curve, Campanella comes up with a similar experiment, this time involving a light instead of a laser. With two holes cut into styrofoam sheets at the same height, Campanella hopes to demonstrate that a light shone through the first hole will appear on a camera behind the second hole, indicating that a light, set at the same height as the holes, travelled straight across the surface of the Flat Earth. But if the light needs to be raised to a different height than the holes, it would indicate a curvature, invalidating the Flat Earth.

Campanella watches when the light is activated at the same height as the holes, but the light can't be seen on the camera screen. "Lift up your light, way above your head," Campanella says. With the compensation made for the curvature of the Earth, the light immediately appears on the camera. "Interesting," Campanella says. "That's interesting." The documentary ends.

As backed by the Lake Pontchartrain power line towers, and no explanation by turbo why the bases of the towers are physically blocked from view at an increasing rate by the curvature of the earth.

a reply to: turbonium1

Dude. You just look stupid and desperate for attention.

a reply to: turbonium1

You

Because laser light stays focused and does not spread out much

How Far Can Laser Light Travel?
We explore how powerful your laser needs to be to get noticed on Mars and beyond.


www.insidescience.org...

Still, the narrow beam will spread out over long distances. Around 100 meters away from a red laser pointer, its beam is about 100 times wider and looks as bright as a 100-watt light bulb from 3 feet away. Viewed from an airplane 40,000 feet in the air -- assuming there’s no clouds or smog -- the pointer would be as bright as a quarter moon. From the International Space Station, it would fade to roughly as bright as the brightest star in the night sky -- Sirius.

And that is ignoring any ground fog, mist, temperature gradients in the atmosphere…..

Any more lies turbo……

a reply to: turbonium1

3.5W 465nm PLE pro review

m.youtube.com...

At approximately 100ft the "dot" is actually a line about 1 foot in length and half an inch thick, which is a bit let down for a $290 shipped unit. The Sage 3W has nowhere near the level of divergence that the PLE-Pro does, so I know its not just "a blue laser thing". Burn characteristics are as follows

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a reply to: turbonium1

What is he exactly lying about? The experiment was literally documented on video. Your favorite medium.

a reply to: turbonium1

You rants has nothing to do with this part.

Campanella comes up with a similar experiment, this time involving a light instead of a laser. With two holes cut into styrofoam sheets at the same height, Campanella hopes to demonstrate that a light shone through the first hole will appear on a camera behind the second hole, indicating that a light, set at the same height as the holes, travelled straight across the surface of the Flat Earth. But if the light needs to be raised to a different height than the holes, it would indicate a curvature, invalidating the Flat Earth.

Campanella watches when the light is activated at the same height as the holes, but the light can't be seen on the camera screen. "Lift up your light, way above your head," Campanella says. With the compensation made for the curvature of the Earth, the light immediately appears on the camera. "Interesting," Campanella says. "That's interesting." The documentary ends.