Absolute Proof the Earth is Round NOT Flat!

a reply to: turbonium1

Funny. I though the discussion was comets and meteorites.

Objects with a long history


originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

By the way, explain this without lies and falsehoods...

Chelyabinsk Meteor: A Wake-Up Call for Earth
By Elizabeth Howell

First Published 2 years ago

www.space.com...

The Chelyabinsk meteor was a small asteroid — about the size of a six-story building — that broke up over the city of Chelyabinsk, Russia, on Feb. 15, 2013. The blast was stronger than a nuclear explosion, triggering detections from monitoring stations as far away as Antarctica. The shock wave it generated shattered glass and injured about 1,200 people. Some scientists think the meteor was so bright it may have briefly outshone the sun.

Where did the Chelyabinsk Meteor come from, not a fixed sky.....

a reply to: turbonium1

You can get direct flights from Los Angeles to Sydney Australia

Los Angeles to Sydney

United • Mon, May 24
Departure10:45pm - Los Angeles
Los Angeles Intl. (LAX)

15h 10m flight
United 839
BOEING 787-9WiFi, entertainment and power on this flight
Economy/Coach (H)
Arrival6:55am - Sydney
Kingsford Smith Intl. (SYD)

So on your flat earth explain this flight should be simple as we can see you were wrong about no direct flights care to at least admit that?

Oh and on your flat earth map cant fly over Africa or the middle east since this flight doesnt

a reply to: turbonium1

All you've done in this post is admit what you've been denying all along, but I suspect you're too stupid to realise it.

I wasn't asking you questions because I didn't know the answer. Asking you the question has forced you to admit that atmosphere distorts viewing of stars and planets.

Now how about explaining why the moon and Saturn move in unison as they are both affected by atmosphere in the videos I posted. There's no atmosphere between the moon and Saturn so...?

Aww bless, you did try and answer the Saturn-Moon conjunction question. You failed, mind...

originally posted by: turbonium1
Since we always see Saturn wobbling and spinning constantly in every video of it, we know it is wobbling and spinning - that is simply based on all the valid evidence to conclude it is a fact, and no valid evidence against it as being a fact.

Again, again, yet again again, it is not wobbling and spinning. Your deluded brain is incapable of interpreting what it is seeing. Your claim that this is a fact is nothing of the sort. You have not once provided any single piece of valid evidence to support your nonsense. I have provided with ample evidence as to why you're wrong. Read it. Watch it. Get a grown up to help with the big words.

It does not mean that any OTHER stars, 'planets', Sun, or moon, do, or do not, spin and/or wobble also, I never claimed Saturn alone spins and/or wobbles, just that it is the only one I sknow of, for a fact. My argument is about Saturn's movements, nothing else.

And once again you prove that you wouldn't know what a point was if was rammed in your eyeball. Your claim is that Saturn's movements are a property of Saturn itself. The videos of the moon showing the same distortions and movements as Saturn when they are next to each other prove you wrong.

As for the moon 'wobbling', do you always see it wobble like that, or only in that video, or a few videos, but not in most videos, or many of them? If all the videos showed it 'wobbling', like with Saturn, that would support this claim as true, same as it does for Saturn.

The moon is subject to the same atmospheric distortions as an other object in the night sky. That distortion will vary depending on local conditions. Which part of that is too complex for you?

Claiming the moon ALSO wobbles, is another argument itself.

It does. Add lunar libration to the list of subjects you know absolutely nothing about. It does not, however, exhibit any kind of motion you can spot in a few minutes of video.

It has absolutely nothing to do with Saturn, or Saturn's movements, being true. Nice try, anyway

Which again proves you don't understand the question.

Several videos showing Saturn in conjunction with the moon. Why are they both exhibiting exactly the same level of distortion?

Why are you incapable of providing two videos of Saturn taken at the same time by different observers showing identical 'spinning'?

originally posted by: neutronflux
Please cite what instrument actually measures “level” flight.

I've cited it repeatedly...

Vertical Speed Indicator (VSI)
The VSI, which is sometimes called a vertical velocity indicator (VVI), indicated whether the aircraft is climbing, descending, or in level flight. The rate of climb or descent is indicated in feet per minute (fpm).

www.faa.gov...

(page 8-7)

originally posted by: neutronflux
The desired pressure band that corresponds to the desired altitude follows the curve of the earth.

Bulls%#t!

There is NOTHING that "follows the curve of the earth"!! That is complete nonsense!

originally posted by: neutronflux
And most aircraft are not flown perfectly “level”. Aircraft can fly with a “pitch” and maintain altitude.

If altitude is maintained, then it IS flying perfectly level. The nose can be up, down, or straight ahead, that alone does not determine whether the plane is level, in an ascent, or in a descent. Planes land with their nose UP, for example, but are obviously in a DESCENT at the time, correct?

originally posted by: neutronflux
Ask the Captain: Nose up or down? It depends

Question: When an aircraft is descending toward landing, it seems some planes fly down nose pointed downward, and some seem to float down with the nose pointed up. Is this true, and if so, why the difference?


Answer: When configured for landing, the position of the nose is determined by whether there are leading edge slats installed. Airplanes with leading edge slats (movable panels on the front of the wing) approach the runway with the nose up, while airplanes without slats approach with the nose down. Examples of the former include the Boeing 737, while the Bombardier CRJ-200 approaches nose down (later-model CRJs have slats).

Exactly as I just said. The nose is NOT what determines level flight at all times.

originally posted by: neutronflux
Planes are not 'dropping' 8 inches every mile (per se),

They are NEVER 'dropping' at all, for sure.

originally posted by: neutronflux
they are flying along the constant curvature of the gravity equipotential

This is a complete joke! They do NOT fly to a fantasy "curvature" of Earth.

Making up some BS "gravity equipotential" nonsense is totally absurd. 'Gravity' alone doesn't even exist, let alone add some "equipotential" garbage onto it.

Simply cartoon terms, to support a cartoon story!

What is 'gravity equipotential' supposed to mean? Are you serious?!?


Planes fly level, and their instruments MEASURE level flight. That's it. No excuses, no magical 'flying level to a fairy tale curve'.

You cannot twist them into the same thing, no matter how your fairy tale needs it. Curves are NEVER level, straight lines are NOT curved, they are the complete OPPOSITE.


The instruments on planes do NOT make up fantasy measurements. They never have, and never will. Get a reality check for once.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Shrugs..

So hard to keep all your lies straight.

Any proof of that ice wall?

Anyway

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Nobody is referring to the north 'pole', which is actually the center of the flat Earth. I'm referring to the fictional 'south pole', and 'undiscovered' continent of Antarctica, which somehow eluded everyone on Earth for thousands of years, being only a few hundred miles from the tip of South America! THAT is the BS here!

As Admiral Richard Byrd said in an interview on Dec. 8, 1954....

“Strangely enough, there is left in the world today, an area as big as the United States, that’s never been seen by a human being. And that’s beyond the pole, on the other side of the south pole from Little America.”

If it had "never been seen by a human being", then how did he 'know' what SIZE it was? He couldn't, obviously! It was all made up, and he screwed up by mentioning it's 'size', beforehand! A blotch that gives the lie away, once again!

The propaganda machine makes up all sorts of lame excuses for it, like they always do when they screw things up. But they cannot cover this mess up, no matter how they try!

All it takes is seeing a rocket after 3-4 minutes time, to know the truth. They cannot hide it forever, and they know it.

The stars and 'planets' are NOT what they've told us, for all these centuries, we have SEEN the truth of them, with our own eyes now. It cannot be excused as 'an effect of atmosphere', or 'out of focus cameras', it's utter nonsense, out of complete desperation.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
The videos of the moon showing the same distortions and movements as Saturn when they are next to each other prove you wrong.

The moon is subject to the same atmospheric distortions as an other object in the night sky. That distortion will vary depending on local conditions. Which part of that is too complex for you?

Several videos showing Saturn in conjunction with the moon. Why are they both exhibiting exactly the same level of distortion?

Why are you incapable of providing two videos of Saturn taken at the same time by different observers showing identical 'spinning'?

Saturn spins and wobbles in every video, but you think it must show "identical spinning" in two or more videos, taken at the exact same time, from two or more locations on Earth, for it NOT to be an 'effect', or 'out of focus camera', etc.?

So you believe all videos of the moon, which were taken at the same time, from different places on Earth, are 'identical'?
Now I've heard everything!

The first problem you have, is to show two or more videos of Saturn, which HAVE been taken at the very same time, at different places on Earth, of Saturn, and in close up, but we haven't seen it - as yet, anyway.

And if we ever HAVE these two videos, taken at the same time, at different places on Earth, and show Saturn very different spinning in each video, different speeds, or look different, etc. - then you say it's NOT real movement of Saturn, it is an effect of atmosphere, or out of focus cameras, etc. causing it, to APPEAR as if it was spinning and wobbling...

Every video shows Saturn spinning, and wobbling, no matter telescopes or cameras used for it, where it was taken, who took it, or position on the issue(s), or anything else....they ALL show Saturn spinning and wobbling.

You want everything you see of Saturn, as all of us see Saturn, on each and every video of Saturn, as purely an illusion - not real, in any way at all. Only the rings and orb are real for you, but they aren't really spinning or wobbling all the time, while they 'appear' to be, all the time, in all the videos.

There's no reason, no evidence, no valid proof, Saturn is NOT a fast, spinning and wobbling object, exactly like we always SEE it, in all the videos.

That is the REAL evidence of Saturn, since it is ours to hold up, everywhere on Earth. Nobody hides it from us anymore, it is no longer secret.

Amazing secrets, and you STILL want to believe what they said is true, after seeing it has all been lies!


A claim that Saturn rotated once every 10.3 hours, is now proven to be an outrageous lie, beyond a shred of doubt.

They always told us that Saturn was a slowly rotating 'planet', based on their 'observations' of Saturn, using such powerful telescopes.

They have long seen Saturn spinning and wobbling rapidly, endlessly, just like we all have seen now, in all our videos.

Saturn does NOT stop spinning and wobbling, ever. And they would have seen it, spinning and wobbling constantly, endlessly, just as we see it today.

Nobody saw Saturn as a 'slowly rotating' object, or 'planet'. It is ridiculous to claim they have EVER 'observed' Saturn in such a way, as they claim to have seen it, as they ALWAYS have claimed to see it, over the centuries!

The fact is - Saturn spins and wobbles rapidly, constantly, endlessly, to believe it's all an effect of atmosphere, is pure nonsense.

Simply knowing what the ACTUAL effects of atmosphere are, to blur and obscure our VIEW of object(s), in the distance.

a reply to: turbonium1

Sorry old chap.

These three things clearly shows flat earth is the lie. Well documented.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

It has nothing to do with your BS


The horizon physical blocks from view an ever increasing amount of the towers as they go an increasing distance beyond the horizon. Which would be impossible on a flat earth.

Then you have documented failures by flat earther’s because flat earth is the lie.

Flat earthers literally debunk themselves in the notion the earth does not rotate with their own ring laser gyroscope.

Flat earthers literally debunk themselves in the notion The earth does not curve with their own laser pointer experiment over water.


Flat earth is the lie.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Sorry old chap.

These three things clearly shows flat earth is the lie. Well documented.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

It has nothing to do with your BS

The horizon physical blocks from view an ever increasing amount of the towers as they go an increasing distance beyond the horizon. Which would be impossible on a flat earth.

You've once again posted the same thing on two different threads, so I've answered them on both threads...

See any 'curve' here? No, it's perfectly straight and flat across the lake. Same as the two bridges, which stretch out to the horizon.

We know the two bridges of the causeway are perfectly straight, flat, and PARALLEL, to each other. But they appear to CONVERGE in the distance, something you deliberately keep ignoring, because it ruins your 'curve' argument.

This is an illusion, due to perspective and vanishing point. The same as a horizon is an illusion of perspective and vanishing point, same as the illusion of objects 'vanishing' beyond the horizon, same as the illusion of power poles 'curving' in the distance, and suddenly dropping down like a roller coaster! They are ALL illusions, they are ALL due to the same phenomena - perspective and vanishing point.


It is clear that the two bridges seem to converge, which proves perspective and vanishing point ARE in effect here.
We can also prove they are in effect for your 'curving' poles, as well. Once again..

Look at the same poles from a SECOND viewpoint, PERPENDICULAR to the first, about 1.5 miles to either side of it, and 1.5 miles UP from it. The lake and poles will be perfectly straight and flat across, same as the horizon is in your image, because the surface IS flat across, proven by looking at the horizon, or poles, ACROSS the surface. This eliminates the problems of perspective and vanishing point, which you know, and deliberately try to IGNORE.

Stop being dishonest, it won't work. Accept the fact that there IS a second viewpoint of these poles, which would immediately prove it is completely flat, throughout, and prove what YOU keep holding up, as if it were the ONLY view of the poles, is an illusion of perspective and vanishing point.

A second viewpoint perpendicular, halfway up and aside of the first viewpoint, is ALL it takes to destroy your entire argument. The fact that you deliberately ignore this second viewpoint, shows you ARE dishonest, and are NOT looking for the TRUTH.

Get over the fairy tale, and you won't need to ignore the truth anymore. It's much better for you to accept the truth, and facts, and reality, because you'll be free of excuses, deception, misleading IMAGES, ignoring all the OTHER images from secondary viewpoints, and you'll wonder why you didn't do it sooner, like I did, when I finally knew it was all BS, on top of other BS, on top of even more BS, and so on. It takes some research to trace it all back to where the BS first started, and then move forward, and forward, from that point onward. You'll see it completely unravel as a massive body of lies.


Ask yourself why you keep ignoring the parallel bridges which appear to converge in the distance, and the SECOND viewpoint of these poles, which would prove it is flat throughout, and that what YOU keep holding up is an illusion of perspective and vanishing point. You obviously KNOW about these points, but you also know they prove you wrong, and that's the reason you ignore them all the time.

You're the one who has to live with knowing it's a lie, it's deliberately misleading, and deceptive - have fun with that!

I'll just leave this here... lol

paid shill of course...

a reply to: Akragon

originally posted by: Akragon
I'll just leave this here... lol

paid shill of course...

Some are complete shills, some are partly shills, some just 'believe' the whole story is true, and never question it, there may be other reasons involved, like pride, status, and so forth. There are many reasons involved, not just one, so I don't know, or care, if she is a total shill, or her daddy was a hero astronaut, and no way she'd think it was faked....who knows, it doesn't matter anyway.

What matters is that she is completely wrong, gives false arguments as the 'flat earth position', and many other problems beyond that. She talks about things as if they were proven facts, when they're lies or half-truths, and NONE of them are 'proven facts'. I can address any of the specific points she raised, if you want....

a reply to: turbonium1

Oh please do feel free...

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

Oh please do feel free...

She mostly rambles, from one to another issue, or morphs something into another issue, not even related to the first one....so let's see...

She says we couldn't get 'this view' of a flat Earth, (from 'space', apparently). I have no idea what that's supposed to even mean, and then she shows a small sun above it, and says this wouldn't work, the sun is huge, it will destroy the Earth is it was that close!

No, we couldn't view Earth from any so-called 'space', so it's completely irrelevant to mention it. The sun IS small and close, that's why it isn't burning up the Earth into a chunk of coal. She says the Sun is massive and would destroy Earth, we say it's small, and cannot destroy Earth. It's all crap, so far...

Not much on Antarctica, so we move along..Gravity is a theory, but it's 'well tested', so it's all good to go! Next..the 'two suns' isn't claimed by me, or most others, so drop the red herring, and say it's our belief - that's a very typical shill tactic, for sure!

Her parents SAW Sputnik in space, so it must be true, right? Thanks for that one. Next..

When people believe Earth is flat, they'll believe that vaccinations are a BAD thing, when they are such a GREAT thing to get! So I assume that you would get all the vaccines, because you believe in a ball Earth? This is complete BS, once again.

It's all BS, and not even GOOD bs, at that! Why would you pick such a crappy video when there MUST be better ones to choose from? At least some of them SOUND like they know what they're talking about. This video is complete garbage.

But she seems like a nice person, just has no clue about the issues, or very little, since she brings up 'two suns', which is not even claimed, or a small group. She'd know that, if she had researched the subject at all! Don't speak about what you don't have a clue about, especially on a video! NASA isn't going to like looking ignorant of the subject, with you working for them, and all!

a reply to: turbonium1

Im going to agree with you she's an astronomer she isn't going to get into physics not her field. For example, things she says are not wrong just sort of irrelevant. Like the part, you choose the sun's size yes it's the equivalent of 1.3 million earths. Kind of irrelevant if you think the sun is really small. Her valis point however is if the sun was that close to earth it would leave a path of destruction even if it were small. Because one thing we can do is measure the energy we get from the sun.

We can also use math to measure its distance using Trigonometry. You and your friend are at two separate observatories (at two far-apart locations on Earth), staring at the Sun, waiting for the transit. You will each see the transit happen at slightly different times. More importantly, you will each see Venus take a slightly different path across the Sun's surface, and you will measure slightly different durations for the transit. With those measurements and some trigonometry, one can calculate the absolute distance to the Sun.

In 1771, based on analysis of observations of the transits of Venus that occurred in 1761 and 1769, French astronomer Jérôme Lalande calculated a value of the astronomical unit that was just 2% higher than its actual value.Not bad since the measurements were sent by mail.

So all the way back in the 1700s we had a distance from the sun.

a reply to: turbonium1

You

in level flight

As in maintaining altitude. The altitude the pilot / auto pilot is maintaining?

Like, duh.

a reply to: turbonium1

Hello. Not an illusion. The curve of the earth is physically blocking an increasing amount of the towers.

As in confirmed the earth curves...

Remember.

Flat earthers literally debunk themselves in the notion The earth does not curve with their own laser pointer experiment over water. Is that false.


Your caught in lies like a rat in a trap.

And since you like instrumentation...

Flat earthers literally debunk themselves in the notion the earth does not rotate with their own ring laser gyroscope.

a reply to: neutronflux

He's repeating the same nonsense again and again and then returning to the beginning of it. It's very sad really, he needs to seek help.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: neutronflux

He's repeating the same nonsense again and again and then returning to the beginning of it. It's very sad really, he needs to seek help.

Of course he is if he gets off his script he would be forced to admit he's wrong. Just day and night proves the earth is a globe there is not a flat earth model that works.

Look at the area currently in the sun and try to figure out how the sun would have to revolve around to make that happen.

The bottom line is it's impossible on flat earth even with their magic sun. Even time zones cant exist on a flat earth.

www.timeanddate.com...