Absolute Proof the Earth is Round NOT Flat!

a reply to: turbonium1

And again. Comets and satellites prove your full of BS.

If comets can travel between the sun all the way to Pluto, why not rockets...

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

You have one year to prove this is something other than a comet.

Newly found Comet Leonard might become 2021’s brightest

earthsky.org...

Exciting news! A newly found comet might become 2021’s brightest comet. Astronomer Greg Leonard discovered the comet that now bears his name – C/2021 A1 (Leonard) – on January 3, 2021 at the Mount Lemmon Observatory in Arizona. Astronomers report that discovery images show a tail for the comet, suggesting we might see a nice tail as Comet Leonard draws closer to the Earth and sun. The comet is still far away, currently between the orbits of Jupiter and Mars, heading inward. It’ll reach perihelion, its closest approach to the sun, around January 3, 2022. And so we’ll have a whole year to watch this comet get brighter, and brighter

originally posted by: neutronflux

Sputnik 1

en.m.wikipedia.org...

The R-7 core stage, with a mass of 7.5 tonnes and a length of 26 metres, also reached Earth orbit. It was a first magnitude object following behind the satellite and visible at night. Deployable reflective panels were placed on the booster in order to increase its visibility for tracking.[66] A small highly polished sphere, the satellite was barely visible at sixth magnitude, and thus harder to follow optically.[25] The batteries ran out on 26 October 1957, after the satellite completed 326 orbits.[68]

And the rocket that placed the first satellite Sputnik into orbit was visually verified along its track to place Sputnik into space with photographic evidence. That Sputnik was visible with binoculars. One of the rocket stages orbiting the earth was visible with the naked eye. And the actual satellite Sputnik was actually tracked by its broadcasting.

The fist rocket that place the first satellite in to orbit is verified as making it in to space. A indisputable fact with third party / layers of verification that it existed and completed its mission. Period.

What do you consider an "indisputable fact"? One grainy photo, supposedly showing the Sputnik rocket flying over Montreal? We had cameras, for photos, and footage, back then, in case you don't know that.

This was one of the most significant events in human history, and they took one, grainy photo of it, to mark this milestone event, right? But hey, it makes just as much sense as all of the other crap you've posted, so why stop now? There's PILES more of the same crap, so please, scoop up all you want, and smear it all over the thread, if that's what makes you happy!

Another point - why would the Sputnik rocket leave a long tail, lit up, when no other rockets leave such a tail, ever? Not that it matters, because it's fake, but I'd like to know if/how they have excused this, just for fun....

a reply to: turbonium1

You
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What do you consider an "indisputable fact"? One grainy photo, supposedly showing the Sputnik rocket flying over Montreal? We had cameras, for photos, and footage, back then, in case you don't know that.


Your intellectually dishonesty.

Context of the full argument.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Holy crap...

To you this time.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: cooperton

Video shows earth curvature.

James May Witnesses Curvature of Earth | James May: On The Moon | Brit Lab

m.youtube.com...

Switching gears....

Sputnik 1

en.m.wikipedia.org...

The R-7 core stage, with a mass of 7.5 tonnes and a length of 26 metres, also reached Earth orbit. It was a first magnitude object following behind the satellite and visible at night. Deployable reflective panels were placed on the booster in order to increase its visibility for tracking.[66] A small highly polished sphere, the satellite was barely visible at sixth magnitude, and thus harder to follow optically.[25] The batteries ran out on 26 October 1957, after the satellite completed 326 orbits.[68]

Ok.

AndI just posted video of the curvature of the earth

And the rocket that placed the first satellite Sputnik into orbit was visually verified along its track to place Sputnik into space with photographic evidence. That Sputnik was visible with binoculars. One of the rocket stages orbiting the earth was visible with the naked eye. And the actual satellite Sputnik was actually tracked by its broadcasting.

The fist rocket that place the first satellite in to orbit is verified as making it in to space. A indisputable fact with third party / layers of verification that it existed and completed its mission. Period.

More modern. I saw the skylink satellites with my own eyes.

How to Spot SpaceX's 60 New Starlink Satellites in the Night Sky

www.space.com...

Seen the international space station with my own eyes

Spot the space station

spotthestation.nasa.gov...

I have used satellite TV since the 1980’s.

receive signals on the C-band analog, and were very large. The front cover of the 1979 Neiman-Marcus Christmas catalog featured the first home satellite TV stations on sale.[4] The dishes were nearly 20 feet (6.1 m) in diameter.[5] The satellite dishes of the early 1980s were 10 to 16 feet (3.0 to 4.9 m) in diameter[6] and made of fiberglass with an embedded layer of wire mesh or aluminium foil, or solid aluminium or steel.[7]

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With there being so many different ways to prove objects have been placed in orbit by rocket than Turbos very limited acceptance that turbo will label CGI is TOTAL BS

Still waiting on Turbo to post video evidence that Turbo exists.

Do you have video evidence you are willing to post you exist?

Then you have comets and meteorites. Natural phenomena that proves the night sky is not permanent, and that travel about the solar system does occur at even a natural level.

Flat earth is the lie.

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Now. GPS satellites.


Your wrong about “cell towers”. What do ships at sea use for GPS, GPS satellites.

I was out in the middle of nowhere the other day going to a rural county church. No cell service. By my dash mount satellite GPS worked fine.

a reply to: neutronflux

You might as well stop arguing with him. When i read he didnt understand the photo you posted then hes incapable of understanding far more complicated things. He actually thinks the rocket left a long tail and doesnt realize it was just a long exposure on the film. If you cant figure out something this easy then hes way out of his league.

originally posted by: turbonium1
Another point - why would the Sputnik rocket leave a long tail, lit up, when no other rockets leave such a tail, ever? Not that it matters, because it's fake, but I'd like to know if/how they have excused this, just for fun....

Hilarious. I think this one sentence sums up the stupidty of your default argument from incredullity stance.

Two words: long exposure.

Go outside your tinfoil lined basement and take some photos of the sky at night. See what settings you need.

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo
Can you post some of the photo`s you took of satellites in space ?
I can`t find any ...

a reply to: lambros56

See my post above.

Here, have some more:

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: neutronflux

You might as well stop arguing with him. When i read he didnt understand the photo you posted then hes incapable of understanding far more complicated things. He actually thinks the rocket left a long tail and doesnt realize it was just a long exposure on the film. If you cant figure out something this easy then hes way out of his league.

its decent comedy... i think thats why people keep it up...

i gave up long ago lol

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: neutronflux

You might as well stop arguing with him. When i read he didnt understand the photo you posted then hes incapable of understanding far more complicated things. He actually thinks the rocket left a long tail and doesnt realize it was just a long exposure on the film. If you cant figure out something this easy then hes way out of his league.

If you can't figure out a. single grainy photo of a milestone event, is not exactly proof, you're beyond help.

The image itself is lousy, and flawed, maybe faked. It's worthless, to start with.

a reply to: turbonium1

The challenge.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

You have one year to prove this is something other than a comet.

Newly found Comet Leonard might become 2021’s brightest

earthsky.org...

Exciting news! A newly found comet might become 2021’s brightest comet. Astronomer Greg Leonard discovered the comet that now bears his name – C/2021 A1 (Leonard) – on January 3, 2021 at the Mount Lemmon Observatory in Arizona. Astronomers report that discovery images show a tail for the comet, suggesting we might see a nice tail as Comet Leonard draws closer to the Earth and sun. The comet is still far away, currently between the orbits of Jupiter and Mars, heading inward. It’ll reach perihelion, its closest approach to the sun, around January 3, 2022. And so we’ll have a whole year to watch this comet get brighter, and brighter

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Your caught like a rat in a trap...

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: neutronflux

You might as well stop arguing with him. When i read he didnt understand the photo you posted then hes incapable of understanding far more complicated things. He actually thinks the rocket left a long tail and doesnt realize it was just a long exposure on the film. If you cant figure out something this easy then hes way out of his league.

If you can't figure out a. single grainy photo of a milestone event, is not exactly proof, you're beyond help.

The image itself is lousy, and flawed, maybe faked. It's worthless, to start with.

I see. So, you can't refute any facts and are reduced to sad insults. Very classy of you.
You have no answer to actual proof and are unable to state a case that makes any sense. You have nothing.
Please stop wasting our time. You have already shown that you don't understand basic science.

Same post, same answer - you have no proof comets exist as claimed, that's your problem, not mine.

So deal with it.

originally posted by: turbonium1
Same post, same answer - you have no proof comets exist as claimed, that's your problem, not mine.

So deal with it.

Hale-Bopp. Remember that? I do. It was comet. A beautiful sight in the night sky.
So tell me, in your... erm (must be more polite than you) view what was it?

originally posted by: turbonium1
Same post, same answer - you have no proof comets exist as claimed, that's your problem, not mine.

So deal with it.

Now comets don’t exist? On of the most recorded astronomical events recorded throughout history. One of the most studied items in our solar system. People in this thread, including myself, have witnessed various comets with our own eyes.

What are you going to do when C/2021 A1 (Leonard) comet becomes visible to the naked eye?

Sad you have to deny actual astronomical events to make your flat earth lie work. Sad you cannot give an alternate explanation while an actual astronomical event unfolds literally before our eyes.

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Your such a sad little individual.

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: neutronflux

You might as well stop arguing with him. When i read he didnt understand the photo you posted then hes incapable of understanding far more complicated things. He actually thinks the rocket left a long tail and doesnt realize it was just a long exposure on the film. If you cant figure out something this easy then hes way out of his league.

If you can't figure out a. single grainy photo of a milestone event, is not exactly proof, you're beyond help.

The image itself is lousy, and flawed, maybe faked. It's worthless, to start with.

here hi res video of sattelites



Heres a video that explains why flat earth makes no sense.

originally posted by: neutronflux
Now comets don’t exist? On of the most recorded astronomical events recorded throughout history. One of the most studied items in our solar system. People in this thread, including myself, have witnessed various comets with our own eyes.

You obviously don't understand what I've been saying here, so follow along closely..

I said comets don't exist, as they CLAIM them to be. I never said the objects themselves don't exist, because they certainly do.

But they are NOT 'comets', like they claim them to be. They are actually stars, known as 'shooting stars', to us. There are various forms of shooting stars - most of them move very quickly, and many people assume these are the ONLY 'shooting stars' that exist. But in fact, there are other types of 'shooting stars' - some of which move much slower than the common type, and at much lower altitude (like the one that traveled right over my house years ago). And other 'shooting stars' exist, and move even slower, and these are the ones they hijacked, and labelled as 'comets', which come from 'outer space'. It's complete BS, used to support all their other BS.

originally posted by: neutronflux
What are you going to do when C/2021 A1 (Leonard) comet becomes visible to the naked eye?

I'll remind you it's not a 'comet', from 'outer space', because it will just be another shooting star.

When you are blinded by all their BS, you cannot, will not, unravel their lies, as I have, knowing they ARE lies, it's just a matter of finding out their trickery, and connecting all the dots. I'd never looked into 'comets' as an issue until your side kept bringing them up, as if they were a proven fact. I knew they did not, CAN not, come from 'outer space', which is also BS, and does not exist.

It's a good thing your side brings these things up, though, because it prompts me to look into the issues deeper, and without blinders, they quickly fall apart, as a patchwork of lies, and tricks, and deception.


I've mentioned one of their most important tricks already. Since they are shooting stars, they cannot be predicted before they show up. So when they called them 'comets', from 'outer space', they had to tell us how 'unpredictable' they all were. Of course they are unpredictable, just like all shooting stars are! See how easy that was?

So when a 'comet' suddenly appears, they just say 'how unpredictable' they all are, they might suddenly appear, they might not appear, nobody knows for sure!


The next trick was saying there are always many 'comets' close enough to Earth. That allows them to claim there's a 'possibility' one or two of them, might be 'seen' above Earth, at ANY time, since - as we all know, 'comets' are very, very 'unpredictable'.


Now, with only 2, very simple tricks, they've solved most of their one, constant problem - why don't we know when a 'comet' will, or may, appear above Earth? 'Unpredictable', solves for that. Then, have 'comets' which may appear above Earth at any time, each of them are 'named', and if one appears suddenly, they say it was Comet XYZ, one of the nearby 'comets' that they 'told us' about earlier!

One more trick - announce that a NEW, previously UNKNOWN 'comet', has been 'discovered' by our glorious 'gods', known as our 'astronomers'!

Only a 'god', or a mortal, chosen by a ;god', shall ever 'discover' those unknown 'comets', and rewarded for the discovery, by having the comet bear the 'name' of that 'god', for all eternity!

When they 'discover' a new, unknown comet, which always seems to be found, far, far, out in space, and by a 'god', or mortals chosen by a 'god', to discover one.

Did you know that comets were not known as 'comets', until your 'gods' came along, by the late 16th century, followed by Newton, the god of 'magical non-existent forces', who fine-tuned the story, and lent 'credibility' to the existence of 'comets', the strange objects which will suddenly appear in the skies, which some called stars, some thought were expelled chunks of the Earth, some thought were from volcanic origins, but nobody claimed their theory is the correct, true, proven one, to everyone else, or if one of them DID, they didn't agree with them.

But they never said they might have come here from 'outer space', until the 'gods' came along, and created a chapter for them, to put within the ever-changing, revised, and junked, fairy tale story.

So when you claim 'comets' have been seen, and written about, since ancient times, it is NOT what they claimed to see, during ancient times. They saw such objects, but did NOT claim they were 'comets', or objects which came from 'outer space', or anything. All they knew was what they had seen, an object above Earth, with a tail, moving across the skies, sometimes with the stars movements, other times on it's own path.

Unlike your 'gods', they did not claim to know, to have proof, of what they were, since they were honest.

Not so with your 'gods' of astronomy, as the very purpose of it, was to establish it as a 'science', where 'gods' reside, and never questioned on their claims, no matter what it claimed. So when the 'gods' proclaimed these objects, as 'comets', which are found throughout our 'galaxy', because they saw them all over 'space'.

So 'comets' were created, by your liars, without a shred of proof, with just their own claims, that they are 'comets', objects which travel through our 'galaxy', and sometimes, appear above Earth, stay for days, or weeks, above Earth, and then travel away, out in 'space', and never seen again, or many years later, perhaps, will appear again, over the Earth.

They used those tricks I mentioned above, to fool the world that 'comets' were objects from 'outer space', seen through their telescopes, which no mortal shall see through, but the 'gods' will proclaim, to mortals, all things seen, all things true, about what we all see, above Earth, so it's all true, never questioned, or doubted.

They have said 'comets' are from 'outer space', because they claim to have seen 'comets' in 'outer space', through their telescopes. Nobody ever CONFIRMED their claim, and nobody had to confirm it with their ONLY 'proof', which is seeing 'comets' through their telescopes, in 'outer space'.

There has NEVER been any proof, that 'comets' exist, as objects from 'outer space'. They made it all up, and it's complete BS. They SEE it, and TELL us about it, and that's where 'comets' came from, buddy!

originally posted by: neutronflux
Sad you have to deny actual astronomical events to make your flat earth lie work. Sad you cannot give an alternate explanation while an actual astronomical event unfolds literally before our eyes.

I've just explained it again, here, if you look. They lied about what they saw, said they were 'comets', and used parlor tricks to make it look like they KNOW when the next 'comet' will appear. They announce the NAME of this 'comet', and claim it is CLOSEST to Earth on such dates, and MAY appear above Earth, around that time, although it may appear before, or after, that time, as well. But it may not appear AT ALL, too. It all depends on several factors, which play a part in it.

So if it appears within those 4-5 weeks, give or take a couple days on each side, then you'll believe that they KNEW it would appear within that timeframe. I

a reply to: turbonium1

You do know we can predict when comets will be seen dont you? Theres fmous ones like Haleys which was last seen in 1986 and will return in 2061. But lets look at this year shall we? To disprove your theory all you will have to do is wait heres a list of comets and when you can see them.

www.aerith.net...

You really cant believe this do you? You really believe there is no way to know when comets will appear? The chinese started finding patterns a thousands years ago even they figured out they return. in fact chinese records go back as 613 BC all the way to the present. The orbital motion of comet Halley has been numerically plotted all the way back to 1404 BC.

This is fun it allows you to see where haleys comet is in relation to the planets

www.fourmilab.ch...

And here is the one that made the news C/2021 A2 ( NEOWISE ) this is the one we just got the probe imges from you can see it from earth as well

www.aerith.net...

You do realize there are alot of people here interested in astronomy and actually have telescopes dont you?

a reply to: turbonium1

Utter round objects. Nothing you have posted is true. Not a scintilla of it. Don't you ever get tired of lying?
Hale-Bopp. For weeks we saw it grow in the sky - not a day, not an hour, not a moment. I have seen a shooting star. Hale-Bopp was not a meteorite. Saying that it was is a lie.
Here's a rather lovely image of Hale-Bopp here. See that second tail? YOU DON'T GET THAT WITH METEORITES. Anyone with any knowledge of astronomy would know that. Ergo, you know nothing about astronomy and are making rubbish up.
You have nothing. Not a damn thing. All you have are lies. Desperate lies at that.
I used to pity you, but the lies are eroding said pity.

a reply to: turbonium1

Comets are found by telescope long before they are visible with the naked eye. That blows your idiotic claim out of the water right there.

You're familiar with telescopes right, with your extensive experience of using them?

What's hilarious here is that the world's experts in this (and I know it will hurt you to find this out but you are absolutely not one) really couldn't give a flying one about your opinion. They are not promoting a lie to fool anyone, they don't care what you think. They're far more interested in being astronomers than trying to persuade morons what to believe. Your attempts to rewrite a subject about which you know precisely nothing are laughable.

If you stopped posting this nonsense tomorrow, no-one would care, certainly not astronomers.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Ty for that image ..magnificent

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