Absolute Proof the Earth is Round NOT Flat!

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

People tend to think that people who get degrees do not do experiments to test things we have learned. Anyone with a degree in science will have performed hundreds of experiments before they get their degree. You are never told what to think you learn by experimentation. You read papers on other experiments and one thing a degree teaches you is how to read it.

Quick class

1 read introduction you need to figure out the goal.
2. Identify the big question this means what are we trying to find out.
3 there will also be other questions to look at.
4 What are the authors going to do to answer the specific question(s)?
5 i usually draw a diagram for the experiment to visualize what we are reading.
6 read results and conclusion and see if you agree with their conclusions

originally posted by: dragonridr
Well first i can tell you have never been sky diving. Having made hundreds of jumps i assure you you know your being pulled down you feel it in your stomach.

Sorry, you're wrong. There is NO feeling of being pulled down from below, nor do you feel it in your stomach, as you do during a roller coaster ride.

Look at how every skydiving source describes what people ACTUALLY feel, during a skydive....

Like a dream-come-true, freefall is flying not falling. Positioned belly-to-Earth, your body is supported by wind resistance so you have some control and can intentionally maneuver.

www.skydivesnohomish.com...#:~:text=People%20generally%20think%20that%20skydiving,get%20on%20a%20roller%20coa ster.&text=When%20you%20exit%20the%20aircraft,freefall%20speed%20of%20120%20MPH.

You feel temperature change and pressure on your skin. Even on a hot day, it will be noticeably cooler at jump altitude. It's like opening the refrigerator door on a hot day, and having that wave of cool rush over you. The wind resistance from your freefall speed feels like pressure. Not painful, but instead like you are being supported but can also move your arms and legs. Next time you're riding in a car on the highway, stick your hand out the window, thumb facing forward - then turn your hand with your palm facing forward - feel the difference in pressure. That's what we're talking about.

Many people believe skydiving will feel like things they dislike - which is why they ask before they go. The most common fear is "the stomach drop" sensation found on roller coasters or fast spins. Guess what - there is no stomach drop in skydiving! Honestly.

www.skydivecsc.com...

Most skydivers liken the sensation of freefall to how they imagine flying or floating on a cushion of air. There is no sensation of “falling” as most people imagine and there is no “roller-coaster” sensation!

skydivenorthwest.co.uk...


As I said, people describe the feeling of flying, not falling OR being pulled down. That is because of air resistance, as I mentioned earlier. The air 'holds you up' as you fall towards Earth from a great height. When we fall from a much lower height, say, of 10 feet above ground, we only feel ourselves falling down to Earth, because we are not high enough to accelerate to maximum velocity, to encounter the maximum air resistance as a skydiver does when falling from a great height.

We NEVER feel ourselves being 'pulled down from below', in either case. In a skydive, we feel as if we are FLYING in air, the OPPOSITE of a feeling of being 'pulled down from below', by some magical force!

originally posted by: dragonridr
Next you seem to confuse mass with weight a 747 has far more mass than i do yet it can fly.

No, you're the one who is confused here.

Planes weigh more than we do, right? So how can planes fly, and we CANNOT fly, when we weigh far less than a plane does? Because while planes weigh more than we do, their overall MASS and DENSITY are much less than ours is, for one thing. And planes have wings, and engines, which allow for flight, as well, while we have neither wings or engines attached to us, either!

Penguins have wings, but cannot fly, because of their greater mass and density, compared to birds that CAN fly. It also proves that wings alone do not allow for flight, in fact.

Small penguins will weigh much less than an adult bald eagle or condor, for example, so why can't small penguins fly, like heavier birds do? Because penguins have more MASS than eagles or condors do, no matter what age they are.

It is their MASS and DENSITY which are greater than an eagle or condor, which prevents them from flying in air.

originally posted by: dragonridr
Now for some history in 1787 an experment was performed that shows anything with mass has gravity. this was called the cavindish experiment i suggest you google it and educate yourself. Anything with mass pulls on anything else with mass.

What do you expect to happen using metal objects, instead of non-metallic objects?

All metals have magnetic properties, it is only to what degree they are.

Why don't they, or anyone else, ever use wooden objects, to 'prove' that gravity exists? How come they always use METAL objects?

ALL metals have magnetic properties, no matter how slight, or noticeable, it is an absolute fact.

But, when a metal considered NON-magnetic, like iron, is chosen for their 'study of gravitational force', it seemed to 'prove' that their force exists, attracting lighter objects, of less mass, to heavier objects, of more mass!

The reality is that ALL metals have magnetic properties, no matter how slight, or apparent, or to what degree......

Two objects of the same metal, iron, were chosen because everyone assumed/assumes that iron is NOT magnetic, whatsoever! And two objects of iron, with one of less mass being drawn to the other, of MORE mass, shall 'prove' this 'force' exists!!

So why would metal objects ALWAYS be used to 'prove' that 'gravity' exists, while they never use objects made of wood, for example? No reason? Get serious.

originally posted by: dragonridrYou can even see this in your home dust is attracted to objects uniformly meaning all sides. If gravity was not involved you would only have to dust the top of everything. But dust doesnt work that way it coats the entire object because its mass has a gravitationa field. And though small its enough to effect where dust lands.

Dust particles hold a static charge, and will often cling together, in a 'dust bunny', of thousands of dust particles...

This does not require your non-existent fantasy force, in any way. It is actual physics involved here, which is proven to exist, and is repeatable with physical demonstration, and countless real-world examples of it.

You have never shown your magical 'force' even EXISTS at all, it is nonsense to debate what it does, or cannot do, when it does not even EXIST, without a shred of proof it even exists.

Thanks for showing a 'scientific' demonstration which requires metal objects, only metal objects, which people think have no magnetic properties, like iron.

So why they don't use objects made of wood, such as pine, walnut, oak, cedar, etc.....?
It wouldn't work, obviously. If it DID work, it'd be done over and over again by now.

Real science would repeat that same experiment with objects made of various woods, and plastics, and every other material, too.

How can it be more obvious?

a reply to: turbonium1

Your just wrong on everything did you even take a science class? Lets start with planes they do not fly because they are lower density. thats silly they wouldnt need a runway they would just float like a hot air baloon. Nect read the cavindish experiment he didnt use metal was made with wood and billiard balls. in Other words no magnetic field try it yourself and learn something,

who says penguins cant fly?
you just havent seen them fly.

Such a moron..

Sorry... but not really

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: turbonium1

Ok this will be fun if gravity does not exist how come things fall towards the earth? How do you explain this ? How does the moon orbit and the lunar phases occur? Especially like you to explain cresent moons since we know the earth couldnt possibly make a round shadow??

You assume 'gravity' exists, because everything would 'float' above the Earth, without a 'force', to hold us down!

Because you first assume that Earth is a ball, spinning and flying through an endless 'universe'.

So that is why you must assume there is a 'force', to hold us down to Earth, a flying ball within an 'endless' universe.

When you see astronauts 'float' in 'space', it confirms your belief in a ball-Earth flying through 'space'. It confirms your belief that we would all 'float' without a force holding us to Earth, of course.

And it started with one, ridiculous lie, which supports all the other lies, and would destroy them if it was ever revealed to be a lie. And it certainly is a lie.


Anyway, if you see us held down to Earth by some magical non-existent force, and believe that we'd all float around, without being 'held down' to Earth by a force, you cannot look at Earth not having, or needing, some magical force, to explain how it possibly works, as a ball flying in space. Nobody can resolve such a ridiculous claim as this. Try as they might.

a reply to: turbonium1

Do you know how we recreate floating in space on earth?

Have you seen the movie Apollo 13?

Said technique was used in that movie... how did we do it without gravity?

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: turbonium1

Your just wrong on everything did you even take a science class? Lets start with planes they do not fly because they are lower density. thats silly they wouldnt need a runway they would just float like a hot air baloon. Nect read the cavindish experiment he didnt use metal was made with wood and billiard balls. in Other words no magnetic field try it yourself and learn something,

His results have not been repeated in other experiments, which means it's useless, right there.

'Gravity' was a lie, to support other lies, and is utterly ridiculous.
The constant rate of acceleration for all objects in a free fall, is from ANY height above Earth. That is the very OPPOSITE of how actual, proven forces work.

Forces are always variable, because they have a source point, or area, where they originate.

A magnet is the source of it's magnetic force, for example. The force varies with distance from it's source.

The source of 'gravity' would be Earth, of course. That means it should 'pull' more when closer to Earth, 'pull' less when further away from Earth, which is how our actual forces work, like a magnet does.

But the rate of acceleration, which would be the rate of 'pulling force', is the exact SAME rate at ANY distance from Earth, the (supposed) SOURCE of that force!

Nothing supports the claim of a 'force' that 'pulls objects down to Earth', or 'holds them to Earth' - it's absolute nonsense.

The constant rate supports a controlled environment above Earth, where we find that everything falls through the air at the very same rate of acceleration. This obviously supports the flat Earth, perfectly.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

Do you know how we recreate floating in space on earth?

Have you seen the movie Apollo 13?

Said technique was used in that movie... how did we do it without gravity?

The directional change, when at high speed, momentarily causes a 'floating' effect, within a plane, or on a roller coaster, like we all know. Nobody actually 'floats' in air, of course.

Nobody 'floats' in 'space', either! It's merely an illusion, a special effect. There are also some glitches, which proves it is merely a special effect, of course.

a reply to: turbonium1

Then why do comets orbit / pivot about the sun. Or get pulled into the sun or planets.

If you throw a brick straight up into the air away from the earth, why does it slow down faster than what is accounted for by air friction. What force causes the brick to change direction to fall back to earth.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Then why do comets orbit / pivot about the sun. Or get pulled into the sun or planets.

If you throw a brick straight up into the air away from the earth, why does it slow down faster than what is accounted for by air friction. What force causes the brick to change direction to fall back to earth.

I've explained both points to you already, so look at my previous posts for your answers. I'm not going to keep repeating myself, just to placate someone who is too lazy to read my posts.

Where I live by the coast we have many windfarms out at sea. The oldest ones are close about 7 miles away. These 250 ft windmills can be seen very clearly. But if you look much further out to sea you will see another wind farm about 30 miles or so away. However you can only see the top half of the blades seemingly cutting into the water. The curvature of the earth hides about 150ft of windmill. This proves curvature of the earth beyond any doubt. No special equipment required just your eyes and a clear day.

a reply to: turbonium1

Nope. You incoherently posted BS backed by more BS. It’s a BS sandwich.

originally posted by: tarifa37
Where I live by the coast we have many windfarms out at sea. The oldest ones are close about 7 miles away. These 250 ft windmills can be seen very clearly. But if you look much further out to sea you will see another wind farm about 30 miles or so away. However you can only see the top half of the blades seemingly cutting into the water. The curvature of the earth hides about 150ft of windmill. This proves curvature of the earth beyond any doubt. No special equipment required just your eyes and a clear day.

wait til you read the other flat earth thread...

Objects at a distance cannot be seen beyond a horizon only 3 miles away, even when they are high above Earth, like a plane would be, for example. The Sun is simply larger and higher above Earth than planes are, when they go beyond the horizon.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This guy is so full of Sh!t his eyes are slowly turning brown...

a reply to: turbonium1

You

The constant rate of acceleration for all objects in a free fall, is from ANY height above Earth. That is the very OPPOSITE of how actual, proven forces work.

Really?

One. It’s a constant rate at which an objects increases in velocity until terminal velocity is reached.

Two. How does cruise control work on a car if forces cannot balance to result in constant speed for example.

Three.

Investigate!
Even on the surface of the Earth, there are local variations in the value of the acceleration of gravity (g). These variations are due to latitude, altitude and the local geological structure of the region. Use the Gravitational Fields widget below to investigate how location affects the value of g.

www.physicsclassroom.com...

Please explain “ That is the very OPPOSITE of how actual, proven forces work.”

edit on 20-12-2020 by neutronflux because: Added and fixed

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Then why do comets orbit / pivot about the sun. Or get pulled into the sun or planets.

If you throw a brick straight up into the air away from the earth, why does it slow down faster than what is accounted for by air friction. What force causes the brick to change direction to fall back to earth.

He has a problem and its a simple fact. With a flat earth gravity cannot exist the two are incompatable. See if there were a flat earth and gravity existed it would pull the edges inward eventually creating a globe. This is why all flat earthers deny gravity its impossible to exist if the earth was flat.

Now he has tried to claim density is why things fall. This idea is funny but he makes the claim a penguin cant fly but a n eagle can because they have diferent densities. See here is another problem for him if density was the answer planes or birds woudnt fly try lifting a 747. With gravity we can explain plane flight with the laws of arodynamics. this is something else that cant exist without gravity.

Its even worse without gravity they have to reject newtons first law as well.

An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.

If i realease a ball it will move and newtons law tells us an unbalanced force had to act upon it. If it didnt then our ball wouldnt move. When you head down this path so many things we see everyday just fails to work.

Heres a simple experiment anyone can do that proves gravity is a force. Ok weight has to generate a force easiest way to prove it is a spring scale. People have used these to weigh fish for centuries. The heavier the object the more force is applied to the spring which we can measure. Now if i hook a 5 lb weight to a spring scale and lay it down on a table no force is applied to the spring. Seems obvious now i hang our scale with the weight hanging under it and suddenly our spring shows a force. So we know different weights apply a different amount of force. So we know weight effects this force and there has to be something pulling on our spring. Now we can find 2 objects of different densities ill use fish some fish are more boyant then others in other words they float better in water. then is do to their density.

Now i can take a Bass and a carp both weigh 5 lbs on our scale so now we pull out our spring scale again both will show 5 lbs of force. But their densities will be different we can see that by floating them in water. I chose Bass because they will sink yet carp float to the surface telling us the densities are different. Bass just has more muscles this is why some fish float to the surface and some sink when they die. Yet despite density our spring scale always shows them to be 5 pounds.


You could do this wih anything 5 lbs of feathers vs 5 lbs of lead. Densities would be different yet they still exert 5 pounds of force on our spring scale. move our spring scale underwater and the lead will show more weight than our feathers.

originally posted by: tarifa37
Where I live by the coast we have many windfarms out at sea. The oldest ones are close about 7 miles away. These 250 ft windmills can be seen very clearly. But if you look much further out to sea you will see another wind farm about 30 miles or so away. However you can only see the top half of the blades seemingly cutting into the water. The curvature of the earth hides about 150ft of windmill. This proves curvature of the earth beyond any doubt. No special equipment required just your eyes and a clear day.

No, it's due to a vanishing point, same phenomenon which occurs when a ship goes beyond a horizon and out of sight, 3 miles away.

I suggest, if possible, you go out to sea, to a point directly perpendicular to your current point, in either direction of it, a few miles away, and a few miles out to sea, as a 'cross' point, of the view you currently have, where you can see the windmill 30 miles now, from a perpendicular direction.

You will see the entire windmill, and a flat horizon across, which is the line of sight you have now. It does NOT curve at all.

I also explained this on the other FE thread, a few minutes ago.

Where is the flat Mars society?

I’ll start one.


Mars is flat. Prove me wrong.


😁😂😁🤣

a reply to: turbonium1

No...

You would see the base of the distance object obscured by the horizon

Which i've showed you many times...