Absolute Proof the Earth is Round NOT Flat!

a reply to: Phage

If your rest mass m is 0.5 eV, or the same rest mass as a neutrino, it takes no time at all to reach the speed of light.

Now some quick math here since we are assuming an acceleration of 1g, the size and mass does not enter into the velocity calculation, it will matter in terms of the energy required to accelerate the particle. So, speed of light is 3x10^(8) and acceleration of gravity or G is 9.8m/s^2. a=(vf-vi)/t , a=(3x10^(8)-0)/t , 9.8t=3x10^(8), t=30612244.9 seconds or 354.31 days. I think i got this right if not i would have to check the equation. Now the problem is as far as i see it we would hit the speed of light assuming we could have enough energy and then go weightless. As you cant continue to pass C not to mention it would require more energy than the entire universe could supply. So this would only work for about a year

Did you know the earth is muddy when it rained, round or flat?

The earth is flat like a record, and the other side is a 45 min drum solo... I know this because I read it on the internet, and therefor its fact...

a reply to: PBL666

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

What, you think the B-side of a flat earth would play the sounds of spheres?...

2nd

originally posted by: PBL666
The earth is flat like a record, and the other side is a 45 min drum solo... I know this because I read it on the internet, and therefor its fact...

Wasn't that interpreted into a rock-opera by The Rat Flounds ?
Or was it the Sphlat Feres ?
Slat Fpheres ?

Remember those guys ?

There was Charlie Pancake, Johnny Snowglobe, and... What was the name of the drummer ?

Good times...
Good times...

originally posted by: Nothin

originally posted by: PBL666
The earth is flat like a record, and the other side is a 45 min drum solo... I know this because I read it on the internet, and therefor its fact...

Wasn't that interpreted into a rock-opera by The Rat Flounds ?
Or was it the Sphlat Feres ?
Slat Fpheres ?

Remember those guys ?

There was Charlie Pancake, Johnny Snowglobe, and... What was the name of the drummer ?

Good times...
Good times...

Dont ask me, I cant remember what happened after that gig with MKULTRA and HAARP... man that was a dope gig... I think???

EDIT: If the earth was flat--it was a little more skewed after that gig.

a reply to: PBL666

Was that the gig where they played live, with the band on the back on a flatbed truck, as the truck drove around the world ?

Billed as : "The Rat Flounds : Flat-out around the World 1010".

Didn't Johnny Snowglobe launch into "I'm all shook-up", after the truck hit a big bump ?

The dome over the back of the truck was pretty cool, and all the way down was the turtle-shell mags : Sweeeeeet !!

Did you know that some 'flatbed' trailers : aren't actually flat ?
They just appear flat, from limited perspectives.

originally posted by: cooperton
Trust me i'm not an enemy. I am also looking for empirical truth that makes a more cohesive picture of the world we live in. Scientific investigation should be fun, otherwise it will begin to drain you. I have actually found another way to calculate gravity's 9.8m/s^2 acceleration from empirical well-known measurements and without the use of the gravitational constant. The units match and everything. message me if you're interested.

I don't consider you an enemy, don't worry about that. I'm glad you are also interested in the truth, as well.

However, claiming the constant indicates 'gravity', or ANY other 'force' is involved, is mistaken, and based on faulty assumptions that there IS such a force, without ANY proof for its existence.

The fact that objects all fall at the same speed has nothing to do with some supposed 'force', within Earth. They simply find that objects fall at a constant speed, and falsely attribute it to their magical, non-existent force, called 'gravity'.

A constant rate of fall, or acceleration, is the OPPOSITE of how forces really work. As I told you earlier, forces are NOT constant, they always vary. The SOURCE of any force is the reason they vary. Forces are stronger, have more influence, when closer to their original sources. They are weaker, when further away from their sources. It is not an exact correlation, of course, but in general, it is always the case.

A magnet draws, or repels, metallic objects, as we know. The source is the magnet itself, of course. So when the metallic object is closer to the magnet, it is stronger, and pulls the object towards the magnet. At a distance, the magnet does not pull the object in, or less than at close range.

For 'gravity', the source is claimed to be within Earth itself, and 'pulls' objects down to Earth's surface, like a giant 'magnet' pulling everything to it. They claim that all objects are being 'held down' to Earth's surface, by that giant magnet within Earth, and any objects above the surface, are 'pulled down' to Earth, by the same giant magnet, too.

The problem is - if it WAS like a giant magnet, it would ACT the same way, but it obviously does NOT.

Objects higher above Earth would feel less 'pull' from a force within Earth, than objects closer to Earth would feel, because the source is claimed to be within Earth itself. That shows there is NO force within Earth 'pulling down' objects from above the surface, right there.

Another feature of real forces is that they RESIST opposing forces. Like when you pull away a metallic object from a magnet - there is RESISTANCE from the magnet, to the opposing force you provide for the object.

But when a bird or insect flies above Earth's surface, there is NO resistance from a force within Earth, at all. Birds and insects fly freely, without any resistance from a force, trying to 'pull them down' to Earth.

They try to excuse this, of course, saying that birds and insects must 'overcome gravity's pull' in order to fly. If that was the case, then birds and insects would have to RESIST a force, to start with, like when we pull away a metallic object from a magnet. But they fly freely, from the start, without any resistance from an opposing force 'pulling down' on them.

The reason birds and insects can fly above Earth, without resistance, is the fact they have little mass, and wings, to propel them into air. When they stop flapping their wings, within air, their mass brings them down to Earth again, because AIR is lighter than they are. Objects are NOT 'pulled down' to Earth by some magical force. Their mass is greater than the mass of air, so they fall through air.

'Gravity' is a complete fantasy, solely invented to support another fantasy - that the Earth is a ball, flying through endless 'space'. One lie to support another lie, to support another lie, and so on. If you simply look at the FIRST lie, everything else falls apart.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: turbonium1

Why is the 'mass of air' greater at ground level than at altitude?

You believe 'gravity' is 'pulling down' air, until it reaches down to the PERFECT PLACE for all life to exist, by pure chance!
Yet, not ALL of the air is pulled down to Earth's surface, how wonderful is 'gravity', a very, very CONSIDERATE, HELPFUL sort of 'force', that can hold us to a flying ball in 'space', while leaving most of the air close ABOVE Earth, where all life needs it, to exist!

This magical force isn't a reality, of course. It's ridiculous.

a reply to: turbonium1

There is no air in space. Objects in orbit have enough momentum and speed they maintain orbit.

Why do comets orbit the sun?

a reply to: turbonium1

And yet here you are, wasting oxygen.

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: cooperton
Trust me i'm not an enemy. I am also looking for empirical truth that makes a more cohesive picture of the world we live in. Scientific investigation should be fun, otherwise it will begin to drain you. I have actually found another way to calculate gravity's 9.8m/s^2 acceleration from empirical well-known measurements and without the use of the gravitational constant. The units match and everything. message me if you're interested.

I don't consider you an enemy, don't worry about that. I'm glad you are also interested in the truth, as well.

However, claiming the constant indicates 'gravity', or ANY other 'force' is involved, is mistaken, and based on faulty assumptions that there IS such a force, without ANY proof for its existence.

Still not willing to step off that building then? I can predict when you'll hit the ground.

The fact that objects all fall at the same speed has nothing to do with some supposed 'force', within Earth. They simply find that objects fall at a constant speed, and falsely attribute it to their magical, non-existent force, called 'gravity'.

A constant rate of fall, or acceleration, is the OPPOSITE of how forces really work. As I told you earlier, forces are NOT constant, they always vary. The SOURCE of any force is the reason they vary. Forces are stronger, have more influence, when closer to their original sources. They are weaker, when further away from their sources. It is not an exact correlation, of course, but in general, it is always the case.

You telling us something is not the same as "this is a provable fact". Saying "gravity does not exist" does not mean "gravity does not exist". Prove there is no gravity.

A magnet draws, or repels, metallic objects, as we know. The source is the magnet itself, of course. So when the metallic object is closer to the magnet, it is stronger, and pulls the object towards the magnet. At a distance, the magnet does not pull the object in, or less than at close range.

For 'gravity', the source is claimed to be within Earth itself, and 'pulls' objects down to Earth's surface, like a giant 'magnet' pulling everything to it. They claim that all objects are being 'held down' to Earth's surface, by that giant magnet within Earth, and any objects above the surface, are 'pulled down' to Earth, by the same giant magnet, too.

It is not "within" the Earth. It is not some big lump of gravity in the middle. It is of the Earth, a product of its mass. If you don't believe you are attracted to the centre of that mass, feel free to step off that building.

The problem is - if it WAS like a giant magnet, it would ACT the same way, but it obviously does NOT.

Objects higher above Earth would feel less 'pull' from a force within Earth, than objects closer to Earth would feel, because the source is claimed to be within Earth itself. That shows there is NO force within Earth 'pulling down' objects from above the surface, right there.

Not within. Of.

Another feature of real forces is that they RESIST opposing forces. Like when you pull away a metallic object from a magnet - there is RESISTANCE from the magnet, to the opposing force you provide for the object.

Try jumping next time they let you outside.

But when a bird or insect flies above Earth's surface, there is NO resistance from a force within Earth, at all. Birds and insects fly freely, without any resistance from a force, trying to 'pull them down' to Earth.

They try to excuse this, of course, saying that birds and insects must 'overcome gravity's pull' in order to fly. If that was the case, then birds and insects would have to RESIST a force, to start with, like when we pull away a metallic object from a magnet. But they fly freely, from the start, without any resistance from an opposing force 'pulling down' on them.

The reason birds and insects can fly above Earth, without resistance, is the fact they have little mass, and wings, to propel them into air. When they stop flapping their wings, within air, their mass brings them down to Earth again, because AIR is lighter than they are. Objects are NOT 'pulled down' to Earth by some magical force. Their mass is greater than the mass of air, so they fall through air.

How do gliders work?

'Gravity' is a complete fantasy, solely invented to support another fantasy - that the Earth is a ball, flying through endless 'space'. One lie to support another lie, to support another lie, and so on. If you simply look at the FIRST lie, everything else falls apart.

Step off a building. The ground awaits your denial.

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

Reminds me of the track "Stargazer" by Rainbow off the classic 1976 album "Rainbow Rising".

I seem to recall that did not work out too well for a certain gravity denying "wizard".

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
Still not willing to step off that building then? I can predict when you'll hit the ground.

Step off a building. The ground awaits your denial.

Because you actually believe that this somehow 'proves' gravity exists, because only a magical force could ever make people fall through air. Sorry, I mean 'pulled down' through the air!

Do you have any clue that our mass is greater than the mass of air? It does. What do you EXPECT would happen, then? That we would 'float'? Because your heroic astronauts all 'float' in space, right? They aren't possibly FAKING it, right? I guess Kubrick's 1999 didn't prove it could be faked, right?

I suggest that YOU go ahead and prove me wrong, by jumping off a building. On the way down, tell us if you feel yourself being 'pulled down' from the Earth, or if you are simply in a 'free fall'!

Anyone can simply jump from a safe height, and realize they do NOT feel themselves being 'pulled down', they just feel themselves FALLING. Anyone who jumps from a plane knows that feeling, of course. They do NOT feel themselves being 'pulled down' from below. In fact, they sometimes describe the feeling as 'flying', because the air resistance is holding them UP in the air, to a certain degree. The complete OPPOSITE of what YOU keep claiming, that we feel ourselves being 'pulled down' from below!

So get this right, once and for all- we do NOT describe it as a feeling of being 'pulled down' from below, EVER. It's beyond any debate.

We ALL know what it feels like, when being 'pulled' in some direction, by an external force. A rope around your waist 'pulls' you back, or 'pulls you downward' off a ledge. A pull is a very distinct, unique feeling, which we all have felt. It is UNMISTAKABLE. We also know what it feels like being 'pushed' in another direction, by a strong wind. We do NOT feel a 'pull' from a strong wind, we feel a 'push' from it.


So, don't keep on trying to claim that we feel a 'pull' within air, because we do NOT feel a 'pull' from a magical 'force' below us, buddy. That's total BS, and a blatant lie.

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originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

Reminds me of the track "Stargazer" by Rainbow off the classic 1976 album "Rainbow Rising".

I seem to recall that did not work out too well for a certain gravity denying "wizard".

At least I agree with it being a classic album, one of my all-time favorites, in fact.

Here's the actual lyric you are referring to...

"No sound as he falls instead of rising"


It isn't "no sound as he is pulled down instead of rising".

This was the CORRECT term, written and sung by Ronnie James Dio, (Who I once met, and spoke to at my friend's house party, which was quite the stunner. Y. Malmsteen was also there, his band was Dio's backup.)

a reply to: turbonium1

If there is no gravity. Why do comets orbit the sun?

a reply to: turbonium1

Funny you never cite flat earth society research. Just grave stones of the dead and songs.......

a reply to: turbonium1

Well first i can tell you have never been sky diving. Having made hundreds of jumps i assure you you know your being pulled down you feel it in your stomach. Next you seem to confuse mass with weight a 747 has far more mass than i do yet it can fly.

Now for some history in 1787 an experment was performed that shows anything with mass has gravity. this was called the cavindish experiment i suggest you google it and educate yourself. Anything with mass pulls on anything else with mass. You can even see this in your home dust is attracted to objects uniformly meaning all sides. If gravity was not involved you would only have to dust the top of everything. But dust doesnt work that way it coats the entire object because its mass has a gravitationa field. And though small its enough to effect where dust lands.

Next when we drop two objects in a vacuume they land at the same time. Meaning the force pulling on them is equal. Why because the earths gravity has been measured. Oh and elementary kids perform feather drops in vacuume at science fairs all the time. without air a feather will quickly fall the same as a metal ball.

www.bbc.co.uk...

There is no way your guess could work in a vacuum without air pressure according to you it should just float and not drop, However it does drop in fact in accelarates towards the earth we call this gravity.

originally posted by: dragonridr
Oh and elementary kids perform feather drops in vacuume at science fairs all the time.

Yeah we did experiments at school with tape that was marked at a regular intervals as something was attached to the end of it. The measurements showed you what the acceleration due to gravity is.

Acceleration due to gravity can be used to predict the movement of planets very accurately. It's really not difficult to back up theories with actual evidence, you just need to be prepared to try.