Trump’s medical bill would cost an average American citizen at least $100k, report says

a reply to: solarjetman

Seems to me the plan was to make healthcare so expensive that the only option for people is to support public healthcare.

My insurance rates tripled under ACA. I still carry out of pocket max (for my family) of 13k/year. Deductible is 6k. So i have to come up with 6k every January, in perpetuity, to continue taking medication that keeps me alive.

So based on the OP you'd assume hundreds of thousands, even millions, of USA citizens are going bankrupt from contracting COVID and getting healthcare.

But they aren't.

Just more baseless fear mongering.

originally posted by: Arnie123
Go to Trumps Twitter. He posted a live message, about 4 mins long.

I watched it all. He says, what he recieved is what he wants the American people to recieve. Real proper treatment. However, Politics bruh.



Also, don't be afraid of Covid.

Uh so he wants us to have Socialized Medical treatment cause that is exactly what he had. Government funded 100%

Now can I get the rest of the conservatives to agree?

a reply to: network dude

Bullsh!t. I was alive back then, and I remember.

You memory isn't all that great.

On a per capita basis, health spending has increased over 31-fold in the last four decades, from $355 per person in 1970 to $11,172 in 2018. In constant 2018 dollars, the increase was about 6-fold, from $1,832 In 1970 to $11,172 in 2018.

Source

There's information inside that source that contains 2009 and prior. There's a reason why healthcare costs were such a major political issue in the late 2000s. You knew this already.

originally posted by: jjkenobi
So based on the OP you'd assume hundreds of thousands, even millions, of USA citizens are going bankrupt from contracting COVID and getting healthcare.

But they aren't.

Just more baseless fear mongering.

You got the OP wrong.

millions of Americans wouldn't have close to a chance of getting the same medical access as the POTUS did. That access is well out of their reach at this stage.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: solarjetman

Seems to me the plan was to make healthcare so expensive that the only option for people is to support public healthcare.

My insurance rates tripled under ACA. I still carry out of pocket max (for my family) of 13k/year. Deductible is 6k. So i have to come up with 6k every January, in perpetuity, to continue taking medication that keeps me alive.

You have to look at who the beneficiaries are.
It was not the average America as it was touted to be.
The beneficiaries are the lobbyists groups for these industries.

With globalism and stagnant wages for Americans, well before Obamacare, the costs for medical care was getting out of reach for many Americans and so many chose to do without.

That means in order for the industry to continue making record profits, they need to charge the remaining customers higher prices or expand the pool of customers (Obamacare). They chose both options.

Continue raising prices just because they can, who is going to stop them?

Public Healthcare will bankrupt this country if the industry gets their way.
They will charge $3000 a pill for many drugs.

Whos going to stop them?

a reply to: jacobe001

certainly not me. Im bent over a barrel, and kind of occupied.

Most people won’t need access for high end drug cocktails on something the cdc states is less fatal than the flu for all ages groups.



a reply to: Southern Guardian

originally posted by: Southern Guardian

originally posted by: jjkenobi
So based on the OP you'd assume hundreds of thousands, even millions, of USA citizens are going bankrupt from contracting COVID and getting healthcare.

But they aren't.

Just more baseless fear mongering.

You got the OP wrong.

millions of Americans wouldn't have close to a chance of getting the same medical access as the POTUS did. That access is well out of their reach at this stage.

So millions of Americans are dying in the streets or at home because they got COVID and don't have access to healthcare?

Getting closer every day yes jjke www.npr.org...
Millions they say for 5 to 10 MILLION on the verge of being homeless and ITS TRUE .
Unless you are living in YOUR basement people have been out of work for month and Bis business is back to laying off millions more with NO end in site .

So soon enough YOU WILL have MILLIONS in the streets

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: Southern Guardian

I guess you missed him speaking an hour ago where he wants everyone to get the treatment he did, he is going to use the military to deliver the drugs to our hospitals and it will be free to us.

Any comment on that?

Sounds like socialism to me.

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: Southern Guardian

I guess you missed him speaking an hour ago where he wants everyone to get the treatment he did, he is going to use the military to deliver the drugs to our hospitals and it will be free to us.

Any comment on that?

Careful. That sounds an awful lot like socialized medicine which you and your ilk have done everything to prevent

a reply to: Southern Guardian

The problem is, it's about access which the vast majority of people don't have.

That's just simply false. A very tiny minority don't have access. Many of them don't want "access."

President Trump spent three days in the hospital. He arrived and left by helicopter. And he received multiple coronavirus tests, oxygen, steroids and an experimental antibody treatment.

Normal people won't need the helicopter ride, the covid tests are cheap, oxygen is cheap, steroids are cheap and the experimental antibody treatment is free (because it's in the clinical trial phase). So I'm not sure how they came to the conclusion that it would cost 100k unless they're just talking about what the docs would charge to administer this stuff. But even there, you don't need the president of johns hopkins to give you an IV and some steroids. Just about any nurse will do.

a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog

During a once in a century pandemic, a little temporary "socialism" is acceptable. I haven't said a peep about the stimulus, because it is warranted in this time of emergency. I wish they'd left the pork out, that's my only complaint (and I haven't needed a dime of the stimulus). Normally I'd lambast the president and the congress for such reckless spending (as I did last year with that atrocity they called a budget).

As an everyday policy, socialist healthcare is dumb and won't work. It's like the defense production act. Sure, it worked out great to have companies retool on government mandate to create needed medical supplies, but that kind of approach doesn't work outside of emergency situations. It stifles economies, slows or stops growth, and creates miserable living conditions.

The fact that some think that what works in an emergency should be used in everyday application is pretty sad.

Quite the business, medicine.

People will always get sick, need medicine, need surgery, therapy, counselling amongst other medicial services.

With such a continious and infinite demand no small penny can be earned in a for profit system.

I am sure people with such a mindset would not artifically inflate costs to feather their own already bountiful nests...right?

originally posted by: abeverage

Uh so he wants us to have Socialized Medical treatment cause that is exactly what he had. Government funded 100%

Now can I get the rest of the conservatives to agree?

I have private insurance and his treatment would cost me zero too. Is it really socialized? It seems like the military it comes as a perk for doing the job...So you need to work the job to get it and not just get it because you are breathing...that would be a Socialized Medical System.

originally posted by: midnightstar
Getting closer every day yes jjke www.npr.org...
Millions they say for 5 to 10 MILLION on the verge of being homeless and ITS TRUE .
Unless you are living in YOUR basement people have been out of work for month and Bis business is back to laying off millions more with NO end in site .

So soon enough YOU WILL have MILLIONS in the streets

Billions.....

I will never support "socialized" healthcare en masse until they fix the backend issue of massively inflated costs.

Turning it into a government institution will essentially insure that it never, ever changes. So, the backend can keep inflating until it seems that socialized healthcare is a reasonable option. Then, government spending can just continue to shoot through the roof.

Trump is actually one of the very few approaching it from this direction. Addressing medication costs, etc. This is balanced out for me by the warp speed program and vaccines though.

I dont buy into the whole sham of mandated compliance & massive inflationary costs sugarcoated with corporate-political marketing to make vague socialized healthcare plans appear like the product to buy.

Beyond that, we have enormous issues with our healthcare system in general.. Including "public health official" bureaucrats who care more about the (very) big business of "health" with little to no concern for actual public health.

Institutionalizing this system, with these issues, seems a horrifically naive & ignorant thing to implement. A very, very big mistake.

This is what the technocrats do though.. They weaponize ideals for their own ends and market it as a product for people to buy into. Even as someone that believes universal healthcare is an exceptional thing to work towards, particularly leveraged with technology, I just cant support the nonsense that masquerades as beneficial, universal programs.

In general, I would also expect leaders within a nation to receive somewhat privileged treatment. For obvious reasons.

a reply to: Serdgiam

ACA essentially mandated we all buy into the bloated cost structure. And it made the possibility of accessing healthcare for someone who is private pay a non-starter.

Insurance, or any entity that negotiates for discounts and lower prices, only causes front end costs to go up. You present an over inflated cost on the bill, so that you can come down to a reasonable cost for the negotiated rate.

Lol at this thread.
President gets the best treatment available for his illness shocker!
The things the left are throwing these days you'd think they were desperate and afraid of losing , not leading massively in the polls.

Another shocker - President's security bill mush higher than the average Joe! Disgrace I tell ya!!!