Signs of extraterrestrial life found on Venus - Massachusetts Institute of Technology

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

I think "UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL PHENOMENA" is the channel name.

Indeed it is. Well, not worth changing the channel title or creating a new one just to announce some news slightly O/T of flying saucers.

"Cool find! I am a firm believer that life is everywhere. Man doesn't realize it because of his own arrogance."

The common view in the 1700s was that life WAS everywhere, it wasn't until telescopes got good enough to measure the very unearthlike environments on other worlds that science-based skepticism crept in.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: 0bserver1
I mostly ask myself what is the definition for life as we know it on Earth?

Eat, poop, reproduce, repeat.

AND most importantly, EVOLVE. Have genetic codes that are reasonably stable but DO experience hiccups from which challenging environments select better designs from the previous merely adequate ones.

a reply to: Blue Shift
They call that a zero emission civilization...

Really hope the alien invasion theory isn't actually going to be more than just a theory. A whole lot of disclosure from the government these past couple of years and hope from NASA/scientists that there might be a whole lot of life out there.

a reply to: toolgal462

Hopefully people like you are excluded from new planets, the people that buy into the bs two party system and that revolve everything around politics. Maybe then the planet will be a bit better off than Earth.

They've been egging us on for a long time now with these sorts of stories... the sentient life is already here, they're extra-dimensional. Stay safe, choose love

originally posted by: EartOccupant

I'm not surprised. Tesla origins from Venus.

Indeed.


PDF pg 3

The Latin identifier for blood is "haema" and the Goog translation to English is: "Balkan Mountains." Nikola Tesla was from the Balkan region.

originally posted by: ArMaP
They basically are saying that they do not know of any non-biological process that can produce phosphine, so they assume it's from a biological source.

Obviously, it could be from a process they do not know, specially when we are talking about a planet we know very little about, like Venus.

Interesting, nonetheless.

Well, these researchers are grossly ignorant, phosphine CAN be easily produced by NON-biological processes:

- Over 200 years ago, Philippe Gengembre first obtained phosphine by heating phosphorus in an aqueous solution of potash (potassium carbonate).

smh.....

a reply to: M5xaz
I believe it’s the AMOUNT of Phosphine found that indicate an almost certainty of microbial life in the atmosphere of Venus. Smaller amounts can be produced by humans and natural events like volcanoes, but the amount talked about is more then those possibilities can produce.

a reply to: johnthejedi24

I believe it’s the AMOUNT of Phosphine found

I guess we'll have to wait for the paper to be published.

a reply to: Planetarian

really intersting , what could they be using phosphine for
well it makes sense

Phosphine is used as a dopant in the semiconductor industry, and a precursor for the deposition of compound semiconductors. Commercially significant products include gallium phosphide and indium phosphide.[21]

it also rains Lead on venus , and Lead is a type 1 superconductor, so aliens have a super conductor processing plant in the clouds of venus

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Its a big deal because folks dont know of any nonliving processes that create phosphine in that quantity.

Hmmm a planet with lots of interesting molecular compounds in a greenhouse state with an incredibly rich and chemically active atmosphere has interesting compounds in it??? Color me shocked. All in the world of maybe could be idk enough yet to be definitive about what it realllly means but let’s say what we want it to be...

I hope it’s life but... I’ll wait and see where this goes. Very interesting!!


a reply to: Planetarian

Like finding a material that you yourself couldn’t replicate and then reaching the “obvious” conclusion it was manufactured by space aliens? Lol I love academia taking facts one step further into conjecture and opinion and the masses walk away with the opinion being the fact.



a reply to: cenpuppie

originally posted by: charlyv
It would be best to hold off on life being required to produce Phosphine (PH3).

Philippe Gengembre (1764–1838), a student of Lavoisier, first obtained phosphine in 1783 by heating phosphorus in an aqueous solution of potash (potassium carbonate).[4][5]

Perhaps because of its strong association with elemental phosphorus, phosphine was once regarded as a gaseous form of the element, but Lavoisier (1789) recognised it as a combination of phosphorus with hydrogen and described it as phosphure d'hydrogène (phosphide of hydrogen).[6]

- Courtesy of WP

It was discovered using a mostly non-organic discovery method (except for the addition of carbon), as shown.
So, Venus is hot, and carbon,phosphorus and potassium carbonate is most likely available. Water could be available as well, of course in a gas, so.... jury out until official paper states why phosphine is most likely a gas produced by life (in the context of Venus).

Yeah its not terribly hard to make. Phosphorous disproportionates upon heating to give phosphoric acid and phosphine. doesn't even require a lot of heat about 200 degrees Celcius or 392 degrees F. From what I know about venus it is way hotter than that. This happened before though Saturn and Jupiter were found to have phosphine when Cassini orbited them. It was concluded the planet produced them with heat and pressure, There was a paper written on the process I remember reading it I will see if I can find it.

Reminds me of this article I read, taken with a very large pinch of salt.

epochtimes.today...

A livestream about it :

I came across this topic, watched the life briefing
and 10 min later it's all over the news here in Europe with headlines that hint to alien life