Signs of extraterrestrial life found on Venus - Massachusetts Institute of Technology

UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL PHENOMENA, September 13, 2020.

"Phosphine signature found in the atmosphere of Venus.

Phosphine is a strong biosignature gas, as it has no known abiotic false positives on terrestrial planets from any source that could generate the high fluxes required for detection.

Source: MIT"

More on phosphine in my comment.

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"MIT - This stinking, toxic gas could be a sure sign of alien life"

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originally posted by: Planetarian
UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL PHENOMENA, September 13, 2020.

"Phosphine signature found in the atmosphere of Venus.

Phosphine is a strong biosignature gas, as it has no known abiotic false positives on terrestrial planets from any source that could generate the high fluxes required for detection.

Source: MIT"

More on phosphine in my comment.

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Cool find! I am a firm believer that life is everywhere. Man doesn't realize it because of his own arrogance.

MIT do definitely report that phosphine could be an indicator of life on a rocky planet, and it's also been found that it can be produced without oxygen.

However where, specifically, do they report that it has been found in Venus' atmosphere?

Wasn't there a video produced sometime ago about the possibilities of life on Venus and what that life could be like?

a reply to: Planetarian

Hmm..
So I had a little info on this for the last few days-My bro works for a science website,and he told me this was going to be announced tomorrow-apparently there was some kind of embargo on reporting the info until tomorrow for some reason,not sure why.
It will be covered in tomorrows "Sky at night" for any interested UK viewers.

Anyway,for the last few days I have been itching to tell everyone on ATS about it but I didn't coz my bro told me to keep it quiet.

While at first look it led me to start thinking about strange gaseous sentinent beings in the venusian atmosphere-like something out of an Iain M Banks novel,I cant help thinking there is some other non organic mechanism by which phosphine is being produced.We just have not found that mechanism yet.

Although I would prefer the sentient gaseous lifeforms of course...time will hopefully tell.

They basically are saying that they do not know of any non-biological process that can produce phosphine, so they assume it's from a biological source.

Obviously, it could be from a process they do not know, specially when we are talking about a planet we know very little about, like Venus.

Interesting, nonetheless.

a reply to: Planetarian

More info from a leaked blog that hadn't published yet (it was on a delayed release for tomorrow). Thanks Google cache!


Edit:
Stick https where I've put XXX, ATS seems to be munging the url

XXXX://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dUWrpm80WHsJ:XXXX://earthsky.org/%3Fp%3D343883+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Most of us are familiar with the old quote from Arthur Conan Doyle, “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.” Those words may be more apropos than ever this week, as scientists announced an incredible discovery: tentative evidence for microbial life on Venus! As we know, Venus is a scorching and inhospitable world on the surface, probably the last place you’d expect to find any kind of life. But the hints of these tiny Venusians comes not from the planet’s surface, but rather from higher up in its atmosphere, where conditions can be remarkably Earth-like.
The exciting findings come from scientists in the US and UK, at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), Cardiff University, University of Manchester and others. Jane Greaves of Cardiff University lead the study.
The new peer-reviewed research paper was published in Nature Astronomy today, September 14, 2020. The Royal Astronomical Society also provided an online press briefing for journalists via Zoom, with three of the researchers to discuss the results, as well as issuing its own news release.

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Nice bit of net sleuthing Sir/Madam!
I wonder if anyone will get in trouble for releasing the info earlier?


BTW everyone-knowing the way the media will jump on this for the next few days,
I am putting out a BOLO on sneaky governmental behaviour while people are occupied thinking about alien life.
Expect the usual suspects(UK USA EU AUS) to behave in their usual way,sneakily passing slightly more oppresive laws and bills while people are distracted.

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Thanks, i can't claim the credit though 😀 Thank UFO Reddit for that!

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I mostly ask myself what is the definition for life as we know it on Earth?
We only seek for organic life forms like we have here on Earth, but inorganic lifeforms are mostly not mentioned and can be formed from the same carbon molecules.

I do believe that may be important to look for on planets that doesn't support life as we know it ?

originally posted by: ArMaP
They basically are saying that they do not know of any non-biological process that can produce phosphine, so they assume it's from a biological source.

Obviously, it could be from a process they do not know, specially when we are talking about a planet we know very little about, like Venus.

Interesting, nonetheless.

Chemical engineers working with every compound there is doing all sorts of things don't "assume" anything. They test, experiment, and measure. And they sometimes make logical deductions, but they do not ASSume.

If they haven't found a combination or formula of things that produce phosphene inorganically, then there probably isn't one either here or on Venus, since Venus has all of the very same ingredients there as on Earth. That leaves organic chemistry with the answer. That's logical.

What will now be illogical is seeing all the excuses made that there MUST be some inorganic process undiscovered by man so far that produces phosphene on Venus, because saying there is something alive there causing it IS JUST NUTS. Right?

Obviously a few here think they are way smarter than MIT scientists..

originally posted by: 0bserver1
I mostly ask myself what is the definition for life as we know it on Earth?

Eat, poop, reproduce, repeat.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
What will now be illogical is seeing all the excuses made that there MUST be some inorganic process undiscovered by man so far that produces phosphene on Venus, because saying there is something alive there causing it IS JUST NUTS. Right?

It's not nuts, it's science. Find something, check it out in every way possible.

I think I read a story about this very possibly somewhere on the Internet not too long ago, so it's not like something wonderfully novel that someone just thought of.. Hell I think I myself have mentioned the possibility of it in this very forum at least a few times over the past several years.

But one curious finding does not a discovery make or prove. But if you want to roll out the welcome mat already, then go right ahead.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Chemical engineers working with every compound there is doing all sorts of things don't "assume" anything. They test, experiment, and measure. And they sometimes make logical deductions, but they do not ASSume.

They say it could be a chemical process that is not known to us or a biological process. The people saying that is a sign of life are assuming that we know all there is to know about chemistry, which is far from the truth, as any chemist will tell you.

If they haven't found a combination or formula of things that produce phosphene inorganically, then there probably isn't one either here or on Venus, since Venus has all of the very same ingredients there as on Earth.

If they haven't found it it means exactly that, they haven't found it, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Chemical reactions are not a result of just joining the right components, the conditions in which that joining happens affects the reaction, that's why some reactions need a catalyst, for example, an external component that helps the reaction. Although they have experimented all they could on Earth it doesn't mean they experimented all the possibilities that exist on Venus.

That leaves organic chemistry with the answer. That's logical.

Only if we know all there is to know about chemistry, which we do not.

What will now be illogical is seeing all the excuses made that there MUST be some inorganic process undiscovered by man so far that produces phosphene on Venus, because saying there is something alive there causing it IS JUST NUTS. Right?

Wrong. To say phosphine on Venus is a result of a biological process is assuming there isn't any other possibility that we do not know about. Being from a biological process is one possibility, but even the scientists say it's not the only one.

PS: it would be interesting to know what other life "signatures" are related to phosphine and if they are also present on Venus, I'm sure living organisms do not produce just one kind of chemical in their processes.

I'm not surprised. Tesla origins from Venus.

originally posted by: Planetarian
UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL PHENOMENA, September 13, 2020.

"Phosphine signature found in the atmosphere of Venus.

Phosphine is a strong biosignature gas, as it has no known abiotic false positives on terrestrial planets from any source that could generate the high fluxes required for detection.

Source: MIT"

More on phosphine in my comment.

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I watched the video, and while the subject is quite fascinating, I do find the subject title above ^^^ ("UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL PHENOMENA") a tad misleading. Maybe it's just me, but when I hear those words strung together, I'm in the mindset of discussing a UFO/UAP, some unidentified object moving through space. This is more of a unidentified chemistry question/atmospheric point of contention, not really an 'aerial phenomenon' in the sense I've heard the phrase used.

Anyways, that's just my minor quibbling; S&F for bringing us something science related to discuss!

It would be best to hold off on life being required to produce Phosphine (PH3).

Philippe Gengembre (1764–1838), a student of Lavoisier, first obtained phosphine in 1783 by heating phosphorus in an aqueous solution of potash (potassium carbonate).[4][5]

Perhaps because of its strong association with elemental phosphorus, phosphine was once regarded as a gaseous form of the element, but Lavoisier (1789) recognised it as a combination of phosphorus with hydrogen and described it as phosphure d'hydrogène (phosphide of hydrogen).[6]

- Courtesy of WP

It was discovered using a mostly non-organic discovery method (except for the addition of carbon), as shown.
So, Venus is hot, and carbon,phosphorus and potassium carbonate is most likely available. Water could be available as well, of course in a gas, so.... jury out until official paper states why phosphine is most likely a gas produced by life (in the context of Venus).

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I think "UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL PHENOMENA" is the channel name.