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originally posted by: subfab
a reply to: ChaoticOrder
how do we change things?
when is it time to go back to business as usual?
Bolding above is mine. Can you die from a common cold?
The common cold is normally a mild illness that resolves without treatment in a few days. And because of its mild nature, most cases are self-diagnosed. However, infection with rhinovirus or one of the other viruses responsible for common cold symptoms can be serious in some people. Complications from a cold can cause serious illnesses and, yes, even death—particularly in people who have a weak immune system.
For example, studies have shown that patients who have undergone a bone marrow transplant can have a higher likelihood of developing a serious respiratory infection. While rhinovirus is not thought to be the main cause of this, other viruses that are associated with symptoms of the common cold, such as RSV, adenovirus and parainfluenza virus, are.
There is, of course, more than one way for someone to become very sick after infection with a respiratory virus. Some viruses, such as adenovirus, can also cause symptoms throughout the body, including the gastrointestinal tract, the urinary tract and the liver.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: LookingAtMars
This one would be a little worse though because it is a new strain our bodies have not encountered before, so then you add the runaway immune responses - cytokine or it appears bradykinine perhaps in this case. Those will bolster the death toll and be the main risk for the young and otherwise healthy who get taken out. Most will not suffer that fate at all, but the odd person will.
originally posted by: subfab
how do we change things?
when is it time to go back to business as usual?
My buddy thinks we got to wait see how bad it gets this fall to see if it's really a killer Global superbug he's thinking 26% kill rate because that's what it was in the Seattle nursing home.
“I’m quite prepared to believe that there are pockets in New York City and London which have substantial immunity,” said Bill Hanage, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T H Chan School of Public Health. “What happens this winter will reflect that.”
www.independent.co.uk...
A strain of the coronavirus thriving in Europe, the US and parts of Asia has a specific mutation which makes the virus more infectious but less deadly, an expert believes.
The variation in the SARS-CoV-2 virus, the agent which causes Covid-19, is called D614G.
Paul Tambyah, senior consultant at the National University of Singapore and president-elect of the International Society of Infectious Diseases, said evidence suggests the proliferation of the D614G mutation in some parts of the world has coincided with a drop in death rates, suggesting it is less lethal.
'Maybe that's a good thing to have a virus that is more infectious but less deadly,' Dr Tambyah told Reuters.
Tambyah said most viruses tend to become less virulent as they mutate.
'It is in the virus' interest to infect more people but not to kill them because a virus depends on the host for food and for shelter,' he said.
www.dailymail.co.uk...
originally posted by: GBP/JPY
My buddy thinks we got to wait see how bad it gets this fall to see if it's really a killer Global superbug he's thinking 26% kill rate because that's what it was in the Seattle nursing home.
originally posted by: NightFlight
What baffles me is that at least one third of the posters here on ATS should have disappeared - permanently ! But I don't see that (Thank God!). Several posters have stated that they have had the virus and have survived, others have tested positive with no symptoms. Myself, I think I had it for about a week and a half in December 2019. Deep coughing that wouldn't stop and severe night sweats. I have never been tested.
Someone must have said 'Americans can't be controlled" and then another said "Hold my beer...".
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: LookingAtMars
The original modeling came from a guy in the UK, and if you look at his history of making these kinds of predictions, this is the third time he's gotten it really, really wrong. But ... he's supposed to be an expert at doing this.
I think we've gotten to a point where everyone is so enamored of computer models that we've forgotten they're only as good as the data you feed them. Case in point - every global warming prediction in about ever.
Italy did get hit hard when it broke out. Would not be surprised to find some adverse reaction with its vaccination schedule. Possibly the same in New York too, it was a big transit hub, looking sad these days. It is hard to get clear data, hearing some correlation between flu shots and covid deaths.