Remember the Sabbath, and keep it Holy - possible hidden meaning

born on the Sabbath is probably what Peter refers to as the day condensed with 1000 years. Zechariah 8:7 calls it the day that doesn't set. Psalm 126:1 refers to it as the time when dreams become reality. Its the same aeon that John saw on the Sabbath when he wrote Revelation. Its the Pass over into the new world (Passover happens on Sabbath). Christ calls it eternal life.

I've only caught glimpses but its very real. More real than anything we have experienced in the valley of death. It didnt happen this Sabbath day, but I'll try again next week. "Salvation should not be idle on the Sabbath."

a reply to: dawnstar

So Dawnstar there are about 600 Old Testament laws, some pretty unusual
Do you eat pork, crabs, lobsters, duck, guess not.

How about the clothing you wear, don’t mix thread material

Stone unruly children, circumcission, yay, nay?

Animal sacrifice, kill a few lambs, doves or baby calf’s, yes or no, why not

what Old Testament laws do you keep, the easy laws? Ignore the ones you don’t want to keep, how do you decide, mum and dad, a minister, the bible, please tell me how you decide what laws must be kept and what ones you can ignore

Be interested, ask a minister, ask Disraeli, he might know, he is pretty cluey

What laws does Jesus tell His followers to follow, let me see

Freedom in Christ
…13For you, brothers, were called to freedom (*from the law) but do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh. Rather, serve one another in love. 14 The entire law is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15But if you keep on biting and devouring one another, watch out, or you will be consumed by one another.…

*mine

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originally posted by: quix0tic
a reply to: ThreeDeuce

Thanks for the explanation.

The hand gesture is really interesting. Star Trek basically ripped it and even gave it a similar meaning, peace be with you or however it specifically goes.

My sister's DNA test said we're 3% Middle Eastern Jew or something like that. My Mother's maiden name is Stein which can be Ashkenazi and she looked the part. The Swedish part from my Father's side was a family named Bengssten which translates son of Benjamin and I'm left handed. I'm sure you know about the Benjaminites having lefties and archers.

If I am part, guess what? It means absolutely nothing.

Personally, I do not see much scientific credibility from the Ancestry DNA tests. The percentages are wonky, and it is odd how they list places as origins, when at best it is intermediate origins. We know that people are nomadic, and Ancestry doesn't display this or discuss it at all. Currently, I view Ancestry DNA as one for finding living cousins. It is the y-dna haplogroup testing which can tell more things.

Asking which of the Laws to follow is a difficult thing for Christians, because it is met with resistance. The same verse which has clergy say that we do not need to follow the Law because Jesus is the Fulfillment also says that Jesus has not come to abolish the Law. That to me tells me that Fulfillment means something else. To me, this suggests that we are called to walk in the footsteps like Jesus, and that if we can fulfill that.... then we are like Jesus. This is but a call to live the Law, which is similar to asking to live without Sin. I don't feel that it will hurt my Salvation, because I am saved by faith alone .... but my faith would be awfully lonely without my actions supporting them.

a reply to: Raggedyman

Fulfilling the Law is HUGE. He essentially implemented a new system of love over matter:

And he called the people to him and said to them, “Hear and understand: it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person." (Matthew 15:10)

This is also repeated Mark 7 and Luke 11 indicating it is a very important teaching. It is important because the Jews at the time were obsessed with cleanliness laws, which Jesus said the more important part is what is coming out of your mouth from your heart. In other words, your intentions and your love for one another is primary for maintaining a healthy mind body and soul than what you are physically eating. By fulfilling the law he implemented a New Covenant with humankind

Other examples of fulfilling the law include: The punishment of "an eye for an eye", being replaced with turn the other cheek. Do not commit adultery has been replaced with 'do not even think about adultery'... (Again going back to love over matter)

Attempting to understand the question at hand, about the Sabbath, I have found another intriguing verse.

Ezekial 20:12
Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them.

Here I was drawn to the pluralized version 'sabbaths', as this seems to point not to the single day but rather the tasks that are asked on this day.

One might suggest that this is pointing to the Sunday Sabbath, and the Saturday Shabbat .... but most other verses point to A Sabbath or The Sabbath. Here, this singular sabbaths (also it not being capitalized in KJV is interesting), as I feel that it points to the policies of Shabbat or the duties of the Sabbath-born.

When we look at strong's from Ezek 20:12, we see that this refers to strongs 7676. shabbath
This is a slightly different version than 7677 shabbathon denoting Sabbath observance.

Are the differences in these two words showing the difference between these two terms?

originally posted by: cooperton
a reply to: Raggedyman

Fulfilling the Law is HUGE. He essentially implemented a new system of love over matter:

And he called the people to him and said to them, “Hear and understand: it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person." (Matthew 15:10)

This is also repeated Mark 7 and Luke 11 indicating it is a very important teaching. It is important because the Jews at the time were obsessed with cleanliness laws, which Jesus said the more important part is what is coming out of your mouth from your heart. In other words, your intentions and your love for one another is primary for maintaining a healthy mind body and soul than what you are physically eating. By fulfilling the law he implemented a New Covenant with humankind

Other examples of fulfilling the law include: The punishment of "an eye for an eye", being replaced with turn the other cheek. Do not commit adultery has been replaced with 'do not even think about adultery'... (Again going back to love over matter)

Yes, love is the fulfilment of the law, totally agree.
Jesus is anti religion, against hierarchy, Jesus made all Christians ministers, saints and priests, Jesus our High Priest

a reply to: ThreeDeuce

Are the differences in these two words showing the difference between these two terms?

Check out High Sabbaths and Special Shabbat

What you should ask yourself is which of these special feast days would have significance to a Christian not living in a Holy Land and with no physical temple.

Then ask: If there is a Holy Land, then is it holy because I am in it, or am I holy by being in the Holy Land?
Compare with Matt. 23

17You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’ 19You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?

There was a temple at that time.

21And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.

If God's throne is in heaven, then who is it dwelling in the temple?

a reply to: pthena
In my opinion, we are called to follow the Holy Days (although I have been defunct at this in the past).
The next is the 18th, iirc and one of it's focus is hearing the horn.

Perhaps I'm reading into the capitalization a bit much, but lower case sabbaths would suggest to me more of the things around the Sabbath, where I would expect it to be capitalized if it were denoting the Sabbath day (Shabbat). Of course this also doesn't rule out the proposed third possible meaning of the duties of the Sabbath-born, as that would be included in the sabbaths.

My thought is that our Temple being within, meaning that we are no longer constrained only to do these things in the Holy Land. For we carry our Temple around within us, and so can worship and do all that is Holy, and is asked for us to do, as a show of faith, that we have heard, and can listen.

I understand that others have different interpretations. as there are many roadblocks stopping Christians from following the Law more deeper.

a reply to: ThreeDeuce

naw, the passage has more to do with the soon-to-be Prophecy (Mat. 24:16) to those in Judea to flee to the mountains... and to pray that your flight to escape the slaughter will not be in winter/nor during pregnancy/ nor on Sabbath (to work or flee is forbidden on a Sabbath)

OTOH, prophecies have other meaning or manifestations over the decades/ages/times--> past and future fulfillments

originally posted by: St Udio
a reply to: ThreeDeuce

OTOH, prophecies have other meaning or manifestations over the decades/ages/times--> past and future fulfillments

The duality or dicotomy that I try to explain to people is a difficult one to grasp. It's how I find verification from an entire phrase being used one other time, in an enlightening context. My Scripture usually shows me something that is obvious, with a layer of veil for those to discern Truths. Those Truths are not outside of the Bible, but are inside. This story had been shared on my feed again recently, and reminds me of how connected the Scripture really is.

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originally posted by: halfoldman
Call me old fashioned, but I think the Sabbath should be Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

The rest is paganism (not that I mind).

But anyway, couldn't resist, "Remember the Sabbath"!

1/2 old man! I believe this song is more appropriate.

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Don’t ya reckon?

a reply to: Raggedyman

Would you put more weight to those that god himself supposedly burned into stone... the ten commandments.. or the ones that was given after... were they written by god even? That dealt more with culture, ritual, societal rules?

But, I fully agree with what you said about love and forgiveness being emphasized more by jesus. Can we consider the way I present the command to honor the sabbath as opposed to most here?
Most of yous are saying, no, I dont have to practice a day of rest from my labors.. that is part of a law that I dont have to abide by... only the jews have to obey that law... not me!!
But, what I am saying is that the sabbath, a day of rest... was a gift god gave us. A time to cease from the daily grind and relax, enjoy time with family and friends, get reconnected with the spiritual side of your being.
A special time god has set aside at the time of creation.

a reply to: dawnstar

Yes of course you can rest on Saturday or Sunday or Friday, whatever you choose but
Don’t think it pleases God or you are doing it for God or for your own salvation because, Jesus has already done everything you require
I rest in the works of Jesus not in anything I do, though I try hard to love others because that is what was commanded

You can follow the 10 commandments, the whole law, become a Nazarene if it interests you but, salvation is guaranteed by Christ’s redemptive work at Calvary, nothing you can do yourself.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Raggedyman

Would you put more weight to those that god himself supposedly burned into stone.

So, a virgin gives birth to a child, God in human form, God becomes man, teaches of Gods love, heals the sick, the possessed and controls the elements, ends religion, promises to restore the relationship between God and humanity once and for all. Offers hope to the lost, broken and lonely, is persecuted, then executed an innocent man, dead in the ground and on the third day rises from death, promises eternal love with God and sets off Gods Kingdom on earth, rises and leaves the Holy Spirit with His followers on earth to help guide us or should I give more authority to some writing on a stone wall by Gods hand Himself

Jesus God, walking and living on earth, dying and being resurrected or Gods hand writing on a wall, let me think on that

Isn’t there a 6th day? Friday? As the Sabbath Eve would be Sat, correct?

Sorry to question. I actually found that very interesting. Went and looked up day of the week for hubby and I and two sons. Both hubby and I - Tuesday. Both our boys, Thursday.

a reply to: ThreeDeuce

a reply to: ThreeDeuce

Remember definitely points to something that is forgotten.

Not necessarily.

I can also mean to continue observing - as in "do not forget to observe in the future".

a reply to: Raggedyman
Was he ever really concerned weather the jew rested one day a week, any one day a week? Or was he more concerned that the jew was given that one day to rest?
Maybe he isnt concerned about what day you see as the day... I mean, there really isnt any way to know what truly is the seventh day of the week anyways. Doesnt really care what you chose to do on that day. But, he does care if society and its taskmasters fail to give them a day.

a reply to: dawnstar

Well clearly God was sincere as He made the Sabbath day holy and a rest day, a day to consider Gods love.

And all that is irrelevant because, Jesus came and gave us a way to be with God forever and all Jesus asked us to do was love others as Jesus Himself loved people

We don’t need the Sabbath, we can rest in Jesus and what He did for us if we choose.

originally posted by: ThreeDeuce

originally posted by: Raggedyman
I am not Jewish so the sabbath has no real meaning as a requirement to me.
In Jesus we are all the same.

The argument of the fulfillment of Jesus is one of the main ones that I contend with. In the same verse it says that Jesus is the fulfillment of the Law, it also states that Jesus did not come to abolish the Law. People interpret this to say that we do not need to follow the Law (because we are saved). I take a different meaning, similar to one of sin. We are asked to try not to sin, and to try and follow the Way that Jesus has showed us ....... but, fear not for we are saved and can be forgiven for our sins, because Jesus Christ died upon the Cross for us.

I take the same viewpoint as the Laws. Of course the sacrifices and sin offerings are spoke out directly against, because there is no need to do these repetitively when Jesus has died for our sins, but there is more Law than that. It is the fulfillment word which throws people off, but I take it to mean that we can be just like Jesus, if we fully follow the Law. If we slip up, then it is no big deal. My God understands how difficult it is. However the big difference is that my God has asked me to show that I can hear him and follow his Law.

The Law is not Abolished, but we have been shown the Way that we should walk, in Jesus's footsteps, as he did. I would question any scholar who suggests that Jesus did not follow the Law, and I would question any clergy who teaches their followers to depart from the Law. One should not add their own interpretation on to the Word of God. If it is written that Jesus did not come to abolish the Law, then that is what it means. It does not mean that fulfillment is abolishing of the Law, when it says that he didn't abolish it. I have never understood this from clergy. They are adding to Scripture, and hurting their sheep.

Ahem. I can explain this. See the law he set down for non hebrews was a DIFFERENT COVENANT,Its called the New testament. The OT covenant is a history for Non hebrew christians,AND hebrews,because they could not follow the 10 commandments. So the difference is they still exist,and you can try to follow the 10 Commandments,but if you are saved by Jesus you only have 3 things to follow,which is easier to do. So he just gave christians a second way to Heaven along with any others who are saved by him.