Breaking BAASS, Assessing AATIP and Doubting Thomas ‘DeLonge’

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
There has been litlte new material, new revelations of any kind
compared to previous posts about TTSA. Mainly just rehash.
And that especially includes more recent comments.

I dont ascribe to anything anymore, although i studied for many years, 30 years of deep study, so so many, many things.

When i spoke to the Dali llama he said i would study and not know, and then not know, and then speculate forever, while describing every spiritual theory i dont know, and then alluding to science and physics which i do not know.

I have been here forever, clogging threads with self indulgence, but neophytes exist, soon as old as me, but none as wise. I am not wise, i laugh] at the trickster, which is my consciousness, which tricks myself. I studied that.

I speak with Jacques valle often, as i do with many shamans and was an intelligence operative in WW2 and still am. But now i have learned to laugh at it all, but still clog threads with my wisdom, which is humble, but cliquish as seen in my comments.

-kev

a reply to: Warriorpath1

I can just see MM gnashing his teeth and blowing steam out his ears right now as he prepares to deliver a snide, dismissive one-liner [at best] when confronted with obvious facts, as has happened each and everytime these self-evident analytics were presented here over the years since TTSA launched

Hmmmm not sure that he will myself.
Just observations.

Interesting read, though you could of perhaps done it in five lines or less but I guess it is a discussion forum.

a reply to: peaceinoutz

Cool, playa! I like a man [or gender whateva] who steps up and bangs for perspective.

I dont expect MM to respond with rational debate when criticized [from experience], and few here [look above] have previously stood directly with reasonable debate when challenged with reason. It is observable however, that very few comments of appreciation or praise for ANYONE OR ANYTHING’s achievements have been shared here [over years[ regarding ufo anything. Duly noted when assessing.

As for your comments and perspective, like i said, i like a banger. Haha. Me? Read this thread? Lol. If you suspect a psy-op as per old school ufology, i don’t discount that hypothesis. In fact, there are notable elements in TTSA at the roll out and after that almost push that hypothesis.

Notable, is the recent essay by Chris [hey chris] Mellon discussing the over-classification of data/materials that do not need classification. He cited, for example, that the unremarkable TTSA DoD videos were NOT classified.

Analytically, it is remarkable that many of the photos and videos leaked by the TTSA clique may have “circulated” on a classified network within the intelligence agencies before release. In fact, i openly wonder right here whether the actual nimitz/etc. videos leaked were on that classified network accessible by intelligence employees. Many IC ufo guys have alluded to this small photo database being circulated. All of those photos turned out to be balloons, etc., including the videos.

It Makes one speculate whether those balloon photos and that intelligence data were IC internally manipulated lures looking for IC leakers attracted by the awesomeness of aliens and access to photos/vids. Unusual that Lue/Chris leaked the vids IF THEY WERE IN THAT DATABASE.

Another key concern in Dr. Mellon’s [hi chris] essay on over-classification [btw, thank you, chris, it is a problem across the board, and hides problems/incompetencies]; this is the first sentences in his essay:

“Remember those videos taken by U.S. military pilots showing unidentified objects flying at incredible speeds and executing impossible maneuvers? They’ve appeared widely in various media since 2017, but if DOD gets its way going forward, all such videos — and other materials relating to UFOs, officially known as unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs) — will be classified and unavailable to the public. “

He specifically states that we are to remember the DoD videos show incredible speeds and impossible maneuvers. They did not. Just like the balloons were not aliens. Suspicious indeed. That kind of statement he made hints at calculated public manipulation. But it also hints at TRUE BELIEVER.

The analysis in previous posts was chosen carefully in differentiating between the two. The analytics, overall, point to true believer, self deluded if you will, in regards to balloons or whatever. However, if the analytic is wrong, then indeed manipulation and mysterious motives may exist, as you seem to believe.

There is no problem here with honoring your perspective, but currently there is insufficient data to lean toward that conclusion, imo; but sufficient data to lean the other way…as presented in commemts here and by the TTSA people themselves in their own words.

I welcome reasonable debate here for the short term, if any of character can stand up as you have done and stick to the relevant comments.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

You managed to say nothing relative to subject in 5 lines, but thanks? MM i am standing right here…one sentence.

a reply to: Warriorpath1

Trolls will need mods to back themselves up. Because they cant do it themselves…lol

Two one-line troll clique responses so far…one real person. Lets count, shall we? 2-1

The Black Vault (@blackvaultcom) Tweeted:
Jackpot.

The Obama Presidential Library just informed me they have approximately 3,440 pages and 26,271 electronic files that pertain to my request for #AATIP / #UFO / #UAP and #AAWSAP information.

If true, I am absolutely floored the Obama Presidential library has that. t.co...

Lue seems to endorse this find. Data points.

originally posted by: Warriorpath1
I can just see MM gnashing his teeth and blowing steam out his ears right now as he prepares to deliver a snide, dismissive one-liner [at best] when confronted with obvious facts, as has happened each and everytime these self-evident analytics were presented here over the years since TTSA launched. Hopefully, interested readers will benefit nonetheless, as not everyone is most comfortable when unchallenged in thinking or with never ending speculation on the obvious.

Do we really need any more than a one-liner? This thread isn't 100% serious all of the time. You seem a bit too touchy and fearful of being treated dismissively. So I'm not sure what you think I think, nor why you think I think what you think I think. Something seems to be troubling you, Mr Warriorpath. But you raised some reasonable points. So keep calm and carry on.

I shall take my teeth out and towel my ears down now!

originally posted by: Warriorpath1
The Black Vault (@blackvaultcom) Tweeted:
Jackpot.

The Obama Presidential Library just informed me they have approximately 3,440 pages and 26,271 electronic files that pertain to my request for #AATIP / #UFO / #UAP and #AAWSAP information.

If true, I am absolutely floored the Obama Presidential library has that. t.co...

Lue seems to endorse this find. Data points.

Although apparently it will take 16 years to prepare them for release via FOIA.

a reply to: Warriorpath1

Lue seems to endorse this find.

Yes he does. He probably would endorse cereal boxes too truth be known. For some mysterious reason Zondo reminds me of Nick Pope.

Oh well, back to the subject matter.

Duplicate post

a reply to: Baablacksheep

I though Lue, the UAP programs and FOIAs were the on point subject…oh well.

Lue does seem Popish at this point… I fear the rabbit hole swallowed him, and his trajectory, as mentioned, is written in stone by now: short of disclosure [wont happen] his life in ufology will consist of appearances in documentaries, commentary as ufo-expert on tucker carlson, and a book which will likely fall flat - book publishing is a tough biz since the rise of internet. Still, He always has security consulting - his security clearance is an employment pass in certain sectors...perhaps that is his day job even now. There is little left for him in terms of options…perhaps another start-up partnering with sergeant Sean this time and selling themselves as ufo PhD’s up in the Skyfort fighting sky Indians? It can be stark in ufology.

Worse, Lue can only be excited by Greewald’s FOIA disclosure because he has become obsessed with proving he actually did work on his little unfunded ufo-adjunct program. This is due to the incessant attacks on his credibility [from here and many elsewheres] via the DoD throwing him under the bus. The indicators were always there that he participated on some level, and it was almost sad seeing him become so obsessed with proving he wasn’t lying [although he may have confabulated a little bit]. He also is engaging trolls on twitter…sad too.

He obviously needs to stop bitchin’, take up knitting or learn to play the violin or something, and take a few years off the ufo subject. There will always be room on the ufo boat for him if he returns in a few years with “disclosure” still undisclosed. Alas…unlikely he will opt for rejuvenation. he seems pretty beat down at this point…second gear spinning into doing donuts in endless circles…

Lue has obviously lost sight of the target which has consistently morphed from:
1] I am king of ufos. i had the pleasure to work with the great, unsung heroes of excellence in DoD, and we have alien materials in government possession…to:
2] i can prove I was king of ufos. I dont know why DoD is doing this - but they need a new classified program, and aliens technology has already been proven; now skeptics have to prove aliens DONT exist…to:
3] I did work on UFOs unpaid and supported by a very few higher ups, i will hire a lawyer and get the attorney general to fight to prove my relevance and DoD are cultists holding back proof of ufos…i fight for public disclosure!…to:
4] I am a lone warrior in constant battle with our sworn enemies within our corrupt government, and I only feel loved when the warm glow of podcast friends shines upon me. Lets talk philosophy since disclosure wont happen in my lifetime!

I tried to warn him,,. I always warn them all [John R. take note] about the ability of that little rabbit hole to swallow entire lives and even souls…but they never listen. Nick Pope sure didn’t.

a reply to: Warriorpath1

Well am not disagreeing with your thoughts here Warrior.

Talking of boats , Zondo could join the pending cruise with Nick Pope and company.

a reply to: Warriorpath1

So Jacques second wife, can really chat your ears off, no?

a reply to: Warriorpath1

Psyops don’t usually give you data that proves they're a psyop.
The comparison to Bennewitz, Moore, and Doty will be perfect only when someone from TTSA comes out and admits it was disinformation and or manipulative scheme like the Doty/Bennewitz/Moore caper. Though on a different level.

TTSA needs a Bill Moore admission. But this disinformation scheme is better than that one. They have improved their methodology and TTSA is a caper of a different stripe. It’s a MSM scheme to influence ufologies popularity in the public’s eyes. It's not like the Bennewitz/Doty/Moore (fill ufology with garbage) scheme.

Likely, as I mentioned above, it has something to do with popularizing it more. It was becoming moribund.
Or it was that plus let’s get the defense budget infused with another fear factor--aliens.
But now, since the cold war opponent Russia( as we all see and are witnessing) is back in full force TTSA has faded away into insignificance.

BTW, Delonge admitted one of his goals was to make the defense industry into heroes.

'UFOs' are no different than any other human invention.

(even if someting is 'real' or 'realish', how it is characterized
by humans is the human invention of it).

When there is something that is unknown, or simply difficult
to know, people, often bottom-feeders, will swoop in and start
using 'god of the gaps arguments'.

As we have discussed dozens of times? Whomever can conrol the
narrative, can control 'the thing'. (their invention of the thing).

It is quite useful for the USG and the MIC if people believe in
nuts and bolts UFOS.. they don't want it to be charactertized
as something 'spiritual', as 'spiritual' belongs to churches and
other cults. That portion of societal control is well-represented.

To control a thing, you name a thing..

That 22 million dolars was spent chasing ghosts, and that
broke the rules... whether the 'ghosts' were real or not
was besides the point. The argument that Bigelow made
all this money on that 22 million and pocketed most of it..
not a great argument. The man has burned tens of millions
of his own money on his hobbies. He'd make 22 million
more easily by building a few more hotels.

(rather like Doctor Evil being laughed at by holding the
world hostage for 1 million dollars... his company
made more than that with rounding errors..)

you can call all this a 'psyop' and certainly at times it has been,
but when people endoctrinate themselves, and build the very
control collars that destroy their lives with nonsense, and put
them on, then there is no reason to have psyops much anymore.

Kev

originally posted by: mirageman
There's a new piece on a rather obscure web site : Why The Defense Implications Within ‘Skinwalkers at the Pentagon’ Are Profound

The book’s authors recommend the creation of a rapid response team of in-house physician-scientist personnel, who can quickly undertake tests and analysis. As AAWSAP found, there may be immediate and long-term side-effects to UAP encounters.....

We have now started learning about disturbing health impacts from UAP, which Elizondo alluded to in his GQ interview. In that interview, he described how pilots can suffer from radiation burns and microwave damage.
AAWSAP followed multiple cases in which UAP encounters were medically devastating to witnesses. ..

It deals with the effect of UAP encounters on pilots and this "hitch-hiker" effect.

Which the likes of Knapp and Kellher never mentioned previously. However, in their new book are claims they took home this rather undefined phenomenon, and it affected their families too.

So what is going on? What started out as a future weapons research project seems to have morphed into UFO study and is now morphing into Havana syndrome and poltergeist activity.

The interesting question of course,

is what came first? the Havanah Syndrome or the UFO?

Excitable/controllable folks wish to presume that it's UFOs that are
frying people's brains and nervous systems,

when it's more logical to wonder if some (human) technology
is frying people's nervous systems, and they wish to then
believe in UFOS.

There have been several people who have claimed, that the
Defense Intelligence Agency lurks around the ranch,

I really doubt they would lurk because they believed in ghosts.

All right, let’s cut through all the BS and get to the crux of the matter

Looking at all of this objectively, that is TTSA and its peripheral baggage such as AASWAP, is it a possibility there has been a change in the UAP incidents where they are currently being aggressive towards military entities, arial or otherwise?

That’s a significant phenomenon if so. We know in the past that many projects have all stated that there is no threat to the military establishment or the US security at all. Has this changed based on any incidents? Is that what this is all about?

There is only the famous Nimitz video which doesn’t seem like any threat
Does Zondo and TTSA or AASWAP have any evidence of this? And is his coy demeanor, always reminding us he can’t talk about certain things, have any reality behind its implicit suggestion he has some real tales of a threat he can't expose?

I’ve always thought they knew rehashing this old ufo story would have little objective use unless TTSA put a renewed spin on the threat possibility, otherwise, where’s the beef in just another ufo story.

We know AASWAP allegedly was a program motivated by some spooky stuff at Skinwalker. And there might be, some shaky shenanigans over that whole project and its relationship with Bigelow...fine, that's another issue.
And ATTIP according to them was only a subterfuge topic NOT a real aspect of AASWAP. Or at best a mopping up program of AASWAP.

Then TTSA and Zondo come along insinuating there is a UFO threat that needs to be looked at.

The truth of the matter clearly looks as if Zondo and TTSA were put together by someone in the government IC on an opportunistic basis (Delonge and his obsession and Zondo and his minuscule connection if any to AAWSAP) and the IC‘s ongoing disinformation operation came together and again opportunistically leached off AASWAP to create the TTSA mythology.

The only question left in my mind is why?

The evidence points to a propaganda defense project to juice up defense spending, or at least another reason to justify juicing it up.
But now, with Russia on the march, TTSA becomes…Redundant and obsolete.

That’s why the major figures have left.

Case closed!

Next case

a reply to: peaceinoutz

is it a possibility there has been a change in the UAP incidents where they are currently being aggressive towards military entities, arial or otherwise?

if you read 'Encounters with Star People" by Ardy SixKiller, all the native American's
she interviewed said that the 'old star people' were kind and non-violent, but the
'new ones' (since the white man went on thier killing/genocide rampages) were
now the 'bad ones'.

I actually agree 100% with this, as in my view, a large part of the 'phenomenon'
that people run into, is generated by their own body/mind systems. So the
more insane we get, the more lethal the 'phenomenon' gets.

Now whether you agree with that or not, you did ask the question.. but didn't
develop it. I'm just sharing that, to show that it's not necessarily a bad question
to ask at all...

Now as to,

That’s why the major figures have left.

The major reason for that has nothing to do with Russia, IMHO,
but the money spigot ended... remember, I knew some of these
guys...

Now.. I won''t argue with you, that UFOs being hostile is a great
gimmick that has been used over the year to get more
defense spending.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

if you read 'Encounters with Star People" by Ardy SixKiller, all the native American's
she interviewed said that the 'old star people' were kind and non-violent, but the
'new ones' (since the white man went on thier killing/genocide rampages) were
now the 'bad ones'.

I today read John Keel say if you believe in aliens, you’ll find them in your backyard planting flowers.
In other words, a person’s beliefs come true… If you believe in ghosts they’ll show up. I don’t buy that totally.
Belief alone doesn’t make a reality. If so we'd have been had Jesus riding on his mule into Jerusalem.

The major reason for that has nothing to do with Russia, IMHO,
but the money spigot ended... remember, I knew some of these
guys...

It’s about reasons for eternally building WMDs and other war machines for unseemly profits. When we have Russians, we don’t need aliens anymore to threaten us. I bet you if and when the Russians go away the aliens will return angry, and then Zondo can have his jihad against aliens.

...Then the boy who cried wold turnss into a real monster and we have no idea of the results to that!

a reply to: peaceinoutz

The three amigos left TTSA around 18 months ago. Long before war in Ukraine was looming. In fact BF Lue was laid off if you recall?The bare bones are left now with TTSA just churning out t-shirts and other merch for Tom's dwindling fanbase. Even the HQ has been moved to a new lower rent location.

It's hard to see how TTSA was assembled just to increase defence spending. Surely there are easier and better methods than pretending aliens are coming?