Breaking BAASS, Assessing AATIP and Doubting Thomas ‘DeLonge’

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Jukiodone

It's not something that he's kept a secret. He said as much to WAPO last year

Missed that completely...do you know if this was the first mention?
If it was the first mention - that's 3 and a half years since the launch of TTSA that he omitted essential information which affects the overall context of his claims.

originally posted by: mirageman
It's almost like he's still using counter-inteliigence tactics to protect aerospace technology!!!

Amen.

a reply to: Jukiodone

Missed that completely...do you know if this was the first mention? If it was the first mention - that's 3 and a half years since the launch of TTSA that he omitted essential information which affects the overall context of his claims. ..

It might be the first time he's said it. But it's literally been hiding in plain sight since November 2017 on TTSA's Youtube channel : Archived Link

a reply to: mirageman

Between hiding US advanced technology, studying the bodies
of people fried (presumably) by such technology (at least in
part), and writing fictional stories that had no correspondance
with physical or non-phyical reality,

it's no wonder that when it came to UFOs they had to resort
to pictures of mylar baloons and such.

It's the UFOlogist fanboys who were convinced that TTSA
was going to bring 'disclosure', when they were barely
even involved with the field, in any recognizable way.

I was told flat out, by 2 members of the TTSA science
advisory board, that the people they had the least time
for, were 'UFOlogists' from the internet.

That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.. their behavior
spoke that loud and clear.

Kev

a reply to: mirageman


Can't seem to pull that up MM.

Here it is otherwise.

m.youtube.com...

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: mirageman

Between hiding US advanced technology, studying the bodies
of people fried (presumably) by such technology (at least in
part), and writing fictional stories that had no correspondance
with physical or non-phyical reality,

it's no wonder that when it came to UFOs they had to resort
to pictures of mylar baloons and such.

It's the UFOlogist fanboys who were convinced that TTSA
was going to bring 'disclosure', when they were barely
even involved with the field, in any recognizable way.

I was told flat out, by 2 members of the TTSA science
advisory board, that the people they had the least time
for, were 'UFOlogists' from the internet.

That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.. their behavior
spoke that loud and clear.

Kev

ufologists are hell bent on physical evidence.

there's a problem with that. physical reality is an illussion.

they expect to find solid metal craft with antigravity drive and some exotic power source, and since that's medieval-level technology, while in theory possible to encounter, it's nowhere near the level of what's out there that's visiting our planet.

in short, ufology is full of people claiming to have open mind, while actually they're sitting in just a slightly larger box they've made for themselves, built upon constructs they've accepted.

the universe is much larger than that. trying to accept a reality where what they're seeing are reality-bending crafts both driven and piloted by someone's consciousness would blow their minds. trying to realize that they've been lied to and imprisoned for millions of years would break them.

most ufologists are too narrow-minded, that's why TTSA doesn't want anything to do with them.

a reply to: jedi_hamster

You know I'm very much onboard with most of your view.

But 'baby needs shoes' in this illusory physical realm,
and government contracts can pay great money.

Thus you see a mix of 'real research' and 'hold your nose'
type research when it comes to 'occult scientists'.

Even worse; they often get played as 'useful idiots'.

Still, sometimes some good comes out of it all..

Gary Nolan's Putamen research was quite fascinating,
as one example.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

So big bad Lou is an IC jack of all trades or a jack of something else according to some.

I think he's an Intel profiling creation that didn't work too well...

Musclebound tattooed ufo hero for the masses or for the assess...

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Gary Nolan's Putamen research was quite fascinating,
as one example.

Nolan is a very interesting chap.

a reply to: peaceinoutz

Well he sure has got people talking. Yes?

a reply to: jedi_hamster

in short, ufology is full of people claiming to have open mind, while actually they're sitting in just a slightly larger box they've made for themselves, built upon constructs they've accepted.

the universe is much larger than that. trying to accept a reality where what they're seeing are reality-bending crafts both driven and piloted by someone's consciousness would blow their minds. trying to realize that they've been lied to and imprisoned for millions of years would break them....

Your imagining of reality bending crafts piloted by someone's consciousness doesn't make it real. So you also have to be open-minded enough to accept that with no proof you are actually wrong and maybe no one is lying to us at all.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: mirageman


Can't seem to pull that up MM.

Here it is otherwise.

m.youtube.com...

I used the archive to prove that it's been up there for years. Even though everyone was so focused on UFO disclosure not many picked up on what he was actually saying. Also web pages and especially videos tend to vanish after a while!

But just to confirm it, here's the video embedded.



Here's what Lord Lue, Count of Counter Intelligence, had to say in Nov. 2017 (just in case the video vanishes)

...My name is Lu Elizondo. I'm a career intelligence officer with various organizations throughout the intelligence community. I've worked for the Department of Defense, I've worked with the army, I've worked with the Director of National Intelligence, National Counter-intelligence Executive and a fill-in-the-blank bunch of others.

Some of my time was spent in advanced aerospace engineering protecting key technologies critical technologies in advanced weaponry in advanced aerospace such as high-energy lasers and drone nanotechnology....

He still has a job as a contractor working for the government. So who's to say he's not still involved in such pursuits using UFOs as the cover story?

Someone must be funding all those trips to Washington, San Marino and elsewhere!

a reply to: mirageman

what that it is all secret us and maybe Russian or Chinese tech and not ufo?


also that they are watching the sky with crazy tech we cant imagine that for sure spys on normal people

a reply to: mirageman

Yes. Being open-minded starts with the prosaic first.

UFOlogy is part of the same cadre of crazy-making, that
seeks to fill the psychological hole in people with piffle.

The core desire in most armchair UFOlogiists is to fill
that psychological hole, and not to actually research
anything.

To research something, you have to falsify things,
but I seldom see anyone attempting to falsify
anything, but rather to haul out ever more
'god of the gaps arguments'.

Now, I do concur that IF there are any intersting
'UFO phenomenon' occurring, they are NOT
'nuts and bolts'.

Why do I say that?

Becuase that hypothesis has all-but been 100%
completely falsified already!

That leave 'consciousness type stuff', which is
too slippery to ever be falsified, until the 'hard
problem of consciousenss is solved', which should
be possible, eventually.

Anyway, you already knew this, but you were giving
a good segway there.

Openminded does not mean piffle-minded.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

This consciousness meme is just a new 'magic' explanation to maintain the belief that UFOs are really something supranatural. A lazy one at that.

No popular ufo case can realistically be explained as due to 'consciousness', unless it was all literally in someone's head. And if it's all in your head, then it's not worth wasting time on until the mysteries of our consciousness are resolved.

So I am more interested in clearing the clutter by breaking down what is falsifiable and eliminating anything that can be resolved beyond reasonable doubt. The problem is that ufology has no standards of evidence. In fact it doesn't really have any standards at all. Even on the style of beard required to become one.

a reply to: mirageman

I don't wave around 'consciousness and I don't wave around 'quantum'.
I don't even say 'energy'. (energy is the capacity to perform work,
no more, no less).

Keep doing what you are doing so well. I wouldn't have it be any other
way.

There's more than what you are doing, but it's slim. And, I don't expect
it will come out fully for several hundred years.

It's really good to work on what's doable right here and now.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I don't wave around 'consciousness and I don't wave around 'quantum'.
I don't even say 'energy'. (energy is the capacity to perform work,
no more, no less)...

Agreed, and I wasn't implying you have done any such thing.

The 'consciousness' meme seems to have started around the time DeLonge was doing the rounds on C2C and other paranormal radio before TTSA. It sounds a bit like $cientology actually. It was then amplified by the social media twits and other pop-ufologists who have no idea what they are talking about either.

illusion is only a certain perspective.
And Ignorance is truly bliss to a point.

Personally, I’m not as hard on ufology as some here. I just don’t like the liars, deceivers, and self-deceivers. Sure, some folks don’t know when they're being deceived so they may get a pass but one still has to call them out when they're wrong and in error.
I wouldn’t be too hard on TTSA if I didn’t believe (with a lot of evidence) they’re a gov op. I have nothing against any of them, I’m sure most of them are nice people, though misled.

As for the paranormal stuff, I do believe it is a reality for some, depending on time and place. And sure, physical reality is to a degree an illusion, for example, we never see the (neutrons, protons. electrons) but we do see their results often such as in modern technology. Just think atomic bombs at the worse, and your pc at the best example.
But the illusory effect of reality is not absolute or we would be living our illusions and somehow reality in some form protects us from that.

a reply to: peaceinoutz

somehow reality in some form protects us from that.

It's mostly entropy that protects us. (call it the appearance
of local realism through decoherence of the quantum wave
fundtion if you want to get fancy).

Things are quite weird at the scale of the very small,
as most folks know these days, but at the macroscale
we are mostly 'protected' as you say.

a reply to: mirageman

Yes.

Modern science is the most successful 'mystical' system in
human history. No prior systm could fly us to the moon.

So all the philosophies, spiritualities, and religions now
often grab words from it, in an attempt to justify themselves.

That said, I did freaking summon a black triangle UFO with
associated physical effects, so I do not mean to utterly
demean those old systems..

I obviously scraped up enough from them, to do *something*
if it was only to summon up a little poltergiets effect,
paralyze msyelf for 12 minutes, and cause a psychotic
break with reality.. rest assured I do not give myself
a free pass either.

So I must be open minded.

I have no problem with people saying ,"I experienced this"
and "this is my theory about how it works".

Alchemy was the precursor to chemistry. It's how it works.

But I won't put my 'experience' against a world of scientists
and call them all wrong. Not even close.

There's a lot about science I don't know.. and maybe I know
a couple things that science hasn't gotten to yet. MAYBE.

Science is a safety feature to bust nonsense thinking and
claims.. I love it.

I also loved the bazinga out of summoning a black triangle
UFO too.

That was my rebel creative side.

Both sides exist within all human beings... it's what you
do with those sides, that matters.

Maybe I'm UTTERLY wrong about 'everyting'. But if so,
I'll happily admit it when presented reasonable proof..
and if I can be an example of honesty, then that is
enough for me, that I did a good thing.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Modern science is the most successful 'mystical' system in
human history. No prior systm could fly us to the moon

Yet, isn’t it ironic all that science you just glorified is also the source of our destruction in WMDs, population, and or global warming, or all three of them combined may do the trick? And as world events unfold, this becomes very relevant that science can’t save us for itself.

Reagans Star Wars, maybe?

Or better yet...

Send Elizondo with a goat on a black op to the Kremlin