Breaking BAASS, Assessing AATIP and Doubting Thomas ‘DeLonge’

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Thankyou Ophi.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: ConfusedBrit

If it becomes a crime to research or discuss 'UFOs' in the
United States, we can get a head start and just stop
talking about it now (eyes roll).

Allo, what's this? An "Eyes roll", Kev? Not sure why. In any case, I doubt that criminal sanctions will apply to ufology in the USA before they're ever applied more stringently to firearms. (Stick an "eyes roll" here, if you like.)

Personal endurance or patience with this field of research will obviously vary from person to person, so some will wrestle intensely with the ufology question 24/7 until they're six-feet-under, whilst others will take a break and potentially return anew, awash with groundbreaking theories. Some may lose all patience and never return at all.

C'est la vie. Or as 'ole Blue Eyes would say: "That's life".

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Frank?

you Brits like Frankie?

For myself?

The only reason I still post in this forum, is that I want to hear
about the current lies and deception, and also any good input
from people like MM & Karl and other bright folks.

I msyelf finished researching UFOlogy like 3 years ago, as I didn't
want to know any more than I already did. (it was a case of
diminishing returns you see, not that I 'knew all').

As it turns out, everything I said about TTSA/naval encounters
and lots of other stuff, all turned out to be proven accurate.

The 'oz stuff' I'm still documenting, but the 'UFO part of it'
is just a small part of the underlying mechanism, so again,
i"m not really researhcing UFOs any more.

But I don't hang out with metaphysical folks much... most
of them are even more off in the weeds than UFO folks..

So here I am for a while yet.

Let me tell you brother, with turds like we have in government
right now, all investigative activities will be so stymied or
made illegal, that we will feel like we live in Russua, unless
some miracle occurs.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Frank?

you Brits like Frankie?

Oh yeah, of course we love the 'ole swinger. Personally I admire him more as an actor, though.

The only reason I still post in this forum, is that I want to hear
about the current lies and deception, and also any good input
from people like MM & Karl and other bright folks.

Same here. As you said, diminishing returns in the wider world of ufology are arguably inevitable, but there is no end to the story of lies, deception and a multitude of manipulative sh*ts to expose.

As it turns out, everything I said about TTSA/naval encounters
and lots of other stuff, all turned out to be proven accurate.

A look back at the original ATS posts in 2007 regarding the Nimitz set the alarm bells ringing for me, but even today the initial contradictory tale of a "saucer" rather than a "Tic Tac" is being rationalised on ATS as we type - whilst folks like Mick West are treated like the Antichrist. As soon as radar operator Kevin Day began claiming that a Tic Tac was transmitting visions of Doomsday into his mind, as well as powers of magical healing, the game was soon up.

Let me tell you brother, with turds like we have in government
right now, all investigative activities will be so stymied or
made illegal, that we will feel like we live in Russua, unless
some miracle occurs.

Trust me, in the UK we would probably be applauded by the government rather than stymied. Generally, ufology is a bottom-of-the-barrel interest here, except for Daily Star readers - MM and Karl, for example, would know what I mean by that!

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

the Brits gave up thier delusions about being a global power,
and I think people like them better now! Well, other than
the folks who say "Brits are a lapdog of hte USA" I suppose.

The US is losing it's top spot, and I think this has drive varioius
dubious groups in government even more mad than they already
were... they are willinig to attempt any silly stunt they can
imagine to prevent the eventual collapse, due to printing too
much money, just like happened to the former soviet union.

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit
As soon as radar operator Kevin Day began claiming that a Tic Tac was transmitting visions of Doomsday into his mind, as well as powers of magical healing, the game was soon up.

Yeah that was it for me with Day……

I remember seeing a segment…can’t remember the show…but he was visibly twitchy in his demeanor….. as if he was on something…..he repeated more than once words to the effect “ Do you think I’m lying?” ….he was looking derelictly scruffy…

I’m not buying into the whole transmitting visions into him, bit.

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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

What you are discussing is a sliver of one percent of the 'UFO Research' subject Kev - forget the intelligence clowns, this a deeply mysterious subject that has deeply touched thousands (if not millions) of people.

Doubt many folk keep track of it but reports are coming in on a global level all the time.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

I’m not buying into the whole transmitting visions into him, bit.

Not even going there.

a reply to: karl 12

forget the intelligence clowns, this a deeply mysterious subject that has deeply touched thousands (if not millions) of people.

That's why there's a 13,000 word chapter on it, finished and approved. It's really important Karl,
and 'it' goes way beyond 'UFOs'. Then there are the other chapters, written by other people,
some of whom also mention 'UFOs'.

I'm not forgetting what's important --- let SME like MM handle the heavy lifting on USG
psychology and deception.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

I’m not buying into the whole transmitting visions into him, bit.

Not even going there.

you know.... (sorry I can't resist); KD was having a "binary download".

Even though the source inspiration was a wholey mundane and boring
prosaic thing.

That's what makes 'shamanism' so fascinating.

You can (this is a technical term) fetish-ize anyting, to launch you into
an alterted state of consciousness.

Any beginner shaman know this, but only VERY senior UFO researchers
know this.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear


Know nothing re his alleged binary download Kev. Is it the latest fashion or something.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

It's been the latest fashion since the 15 commandments.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear


Hmmm. Ok Kev.


m.youtube.com...

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Baablacksheep

It's been the latest fashion since the 15 commandments.

Mel Brooks classic 😆

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a reply to: karl 12

...Doubt many folk keep track of it but reports are coming in on a global level all the time.

Yes indeed they are.

Unfortunately, organisations like MUFON, NUFORC etc do very little with these reports beyond collecting them. Some work could be done using space & air flight trackers, meteor sky cameras and astronomical software. But sadly I think it all comes down to a lack of manpower.

So instead we get all the hype and hot air from the likes of Doorbell and The Debris and the world ends up laughing at batman balloons and bokeh!!

a reply to: mirageman

The real issue, beyond even this, is why are people so
desperate to turn the tail ends of airplanes and
camera artifacts due to focus into 'UFOs'.

I think that is the 'phenomenon' that government
wants to control.

I'm not saying there isn't something beyond that,
but THAT is the first layer of it.

Philosophers call it Plato's Cave, where the trapped
residents (we are trapped by our mentally ill
human culutre) confuse the flickers on the wall
for what is real ('outside') (in our case, outside
of our sick culture).

This is why Westerner's often look to Eastern
philosophy for answers, and presumably some
Easterner's look for help from other cultures
too.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: karl 12

...Doubt many folk keep track of it but reports are coming in on a global level all the time.

Yes indeed they are.

Unfortunately, organisations like MUFON, NUFORC etc do very little with these reports beyond collecting them. Some work could be done using space & air flight trackers, meteor sky cameras and astronomical software. But sadly I think it all comes down to a lack of manpower.

So instead we get all the hype and hot air from the likes of Doorbell and The Debris and the world ends up laughing at batman balloons and bokeh!!

It’s funny that the government says last June there were 140 reports and this year (May 2022) we are now up to 400 reports….

Wtf…..???

They’ve decided to reinvent the wheel yet again, and start all over…..by dismissing all the thousands of previously reported sightings and studies……

Also…..here’s a couple of playing dumb’s…….from the hearing transcript…

Michael Gallagher: (55:26)
It’s also been reported that there have been UAP observed and interacting with and flying over sensitive military facilities, particularly, and not just ranges, but some facilities housing are strategic nuclear forces. One such incident allegedly occurred at Malmstrom Air Force Base in which 10 of our nuclear ICBMs were rendered inoperable. At the same time, a glowing red orb was observed overhead. I’m not commenting on the accuracy of this. I’m simply asking you whether you’re aware of it and whether you have any comment on the accuracy of that report.

Ronald Moultrie: (55:55)
Let me pass that to Mr. Bray. You’ve been looking at UAPs over the last three years.

Scott Bray: (55:58)
That data is not within the holdings of the UAP task force.

Michael Gallagher: (56:03)
Okay. But are you aware of the report or that the data exists somewhere?

Scott Bray: (56:09)
I have heard stories. I have not seen the official data on that.

Michael Gallagher: (56:14)
So you’ve just seen informal stories, no official assessment that you’ve done or exists within DOD that you’re aware of regarding the Malmstrom incident?

Scott Bray: (56:25)
All I can speak to is what’s within my cognizant at the UAP task force, and we have not looked at that incident.

Michael Gallagher: (56:31)
Well, I would say, I mean, it’s a pretty high profile incident. I don’t claim to be an expert on this, but that’s out there in the ether. You’re the guys investigating it. I mean, who else is doing it?

Ronald Moultrie: (56:42)
If something was officially brought to our attention, we would look at it. There are many things that are out there in the ether that aren’t officially brought to our attention.

Michael Gallagher: (56:49)
So how would it have to be officially brought to your attention? I’m bringing it to your attention.

Ronald Moultrie: (56:52)
Sure.

Michael Gallagher: (56:53)
So this is pretty official.

Ronald Moultrie: (56:54)
Sure. So we’ll go back and take a look at it. But generally, there is some authoritative figure that says there is an incident that occurred, we’d like you to look at this. But in terms of just tracking what may be in the media that says that something occurred at this time at this place, there are probably be a lot of leads that we would have to follow up on. I don’t think we have the resource to do that right now.

Michael Gallagher: (57:13)
Well, I don’t claim to be an authoritative figure, but for what it’s worth, I would like you to look in into it.

Ronald Moultrie: (57:17)
Sure.

Michael Gallagher: (57:17)
If for no other reason, you could dismiss it and say, this is not worth wasting resources on.

Ronald Moultrie: (57:22)
Will do.

Michael Gallagher: (57:22)
And then finally, are you aware of a document that appeared around 2019 sometimes called the Admiral Wilson Memo or EW Notes memo?

Ronald Moultrie: (57:32)
I am not.

Michael Gallagher: (57:33)
You’re not.

Ronald Moultrie: (57:33)
Are you?

(Moultrie looking at Bray)

Scott Bray: (57:34)
I’m not personally aware of that.

Michael Gallagher: (57:35)
Okay. This is a document in which, again, I’m not commenting on the veracity, I was hoping you would help me with that, in which a former head of DIA claims to have had a conversation with the Dr. Eric Wilson and claims to have sort of been made aware of certain contractors or DOD programs that he tried to get fuller access to and was denied access to. So you’re not aware of that?

Ronald Moultrie: (57:59)
I’m not aware, Congressman.

Michael Gallagher: (58:00)
In my 10 seconds remaining then, I guess I just would ask Mr. Chairman unanimous consent to enter that memo into the record.

Mr. Chairman: (58:08)
Without objection.


They should have some type of answers to Gallagher’s two questions. Once entered into the record ….it becomes an obligation to follow up. Next hearing is in approximately this December 2022.

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Great. A hoax has been entered into the congressional record.
It joins untold thousands of others.

Already, with this new “transparency”, the USG are playing with dated timeframes…..

From the transcript excerpt I posted in my previous post…..

Ronald Moultrie: (55:55)
Let me pass that to Mr. Bray. You’ve been looking at UAPs over the last three years.

Scott Bray: (55:58)
That data is not within the holdings of the UAP task force.


Yet it was only in 2020 that the establishment of the UAP Task Force was to begin….

……”On Aug. 4, 2020, Deputy Secretary of Defense David L. Norquist approved the establishment of an Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) Task Force (UAPTF). The Department of the Navy, under the cognizance of the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security, will lead the UAPTF.”…..

That’s quite a difference in the timeframe….Aug 2020 - May 2022…doesn’t add up to three years…..as Moultrie stated….and wasn’t corrected by Bray.

Jus sayin

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

When it's theater of any kind, incluing poitical theater
or like it was with TTSA (CIA theater),

'accuracy' is not the goal.

Theater is whatever it wants to be; it's not about
transparency, truth or investigation.