Breaking BAASS, Assessing AATIP and Doubting Thomas ‘DeLonge’

originally posted by: mirageman

This is the last in a trilogy of threads that take a sceptical and satirical look at the shenanigans surrounding TTSA. A story with a genesis linked way back to Bob Bigelow and some of the colourful but shady intelligence individuals associated with him.

These are the links to the previous threads..

Part 1 : Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

Parts II : Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars

Three years after its launch there’s a whole army of believers and manipulated 'social media influencers' out there. All trying to convince everyone that some form of ET disclosure is coming from the US government. All thanks to the floundering experiment that is the entertainment enterprise called TTSA.

If you have never considered that the US government, a billionaire, a bunch of spooks, elements of the media and a newly launched company could be involved in psychological deception operations then all you need to do is look back at history….

Here’s a handful of examples of American deception….at it’s mildest. There are much worse examples.

Howard Hughes. Glomar and Project Azorian

In March 1968 a mysterious event caused the Soviet Golf-class K-129 submarine to sink in the Pacific Ocean, North West of Hawaii. Soviet efforts were unable to locate the wreckage in the murky depths. The US was more successful.

● Project Azorian was a secret CIA operation to recover the submarine in 1974. Las Vegas based billionaire Howard Hughes was co-opted to provide a cover story. The story, promoted by TIME magazine and other media outlets, was that Hughes’ newly formed Summa Corporation was building a huge ship the Glomar Explorer to mine the ocean floor for minerals. Its real mission was to recover the sunken Soviet sub from the depths of the Pacific and the secrets it held. Even though we know about it now, the full details of why K-129 sank and what exactly was recovered remain unclear.

Two years earlier something else was recovered from the same area of the ocean ….

American intelligence recognized the potential to use UFO tales as cover stories for their real-world activities as far back as the early 1950s, when CIA Director W.B. Smith noted the utility of flying saucer sightings for psychological and counterintelligence operations.….

In 1972, the U.S. Navy submersible Trieste II recovered a valuable object from the depths of the Pacific Ocean.

Based upon his research into the Glomar Explorer recovery operation… the object recovered by the Trieste II had been stored in an on-deck refrigeration unit and placed under manned guard-- had bodies been recovered? And what, exactly, was under guard?

…. UFOlogists suspected, what they found on the ocean floor had arrived from space…..

Source

What was found did indeed come from space. A photo storage pod, dropped by a US spy satellite had been recovered. Not an alien spaceship.
See P.169 of : This PDF [download]

Studio Six - The CIA’s Fake Film Company

● In 1979 during the Iranian Hostage Crisis. The CIA set up a fake film company called Studio Six productions. The plan was to send agents to Iran posing as a Canadian film crew. Their mission was to stealthily assist US diplomatic staff hiding at the Canadian Embassy in Tehran to escape. It worked. Hollywood even made a factually inaccurate film about it called 'Argo'.

The Hunt for Bin Laden’s DNA

● During the 2000s, a free vaccination project was set up by the CIA in Pakistan. The objective was to obtain DNA samples from the local populace that could confirm the presence of Osama Bin Laden in the area. Bin Laden was later killed by US military. It didn’t end well for Pakistani doctor Shakil Afridi either.

SERPO

● During 2006 an internet hoax called SERPO, relating a story of 12 astronauts visiting a planet in the Zeta Reticuli system, was being disseminated. Why this story was ever released remains a mystery to this day. But of those involved were Richard Doty. Dr. C. Green and current VP of TTSA, Harold Puthoff.

….. "I don't know who besides the two of you know that Hal, myself, and Rick are working an issue together on Serpo (with the two of you...who are mysteriously missing from the addressee line.) No one else...ever in the entire period has ever sent a note like this linking specifically the three of us.....

Dr. C. Green – SERPO Emails

Green is a man who is no stranger to deception projects. Listed on Dr. Green’s CV is confirmation that he worked on the Hughes Glomar Explorer Project during his time with the CIA.

“…..Other interests in naval subjects have included his [Green’s] work on the Glomar Explorer project”

He is not publicly associated with TTSA. But he is a close friend of Hal Puthoff & Richard Doty. He was an integral part of Bigelow's NIDS. Green also authored one of the 38 scientific papers for AAWSAP. He has also talked about his work treating patients injured as a consequence of “anomalous experiences”.

So now we’ve established that America runs deception operations. Does this apply to the current To the Stars Academy narrative? A narrative that has been pushed heavily by certain elements of the media and TTSA's carefully chosen fan club on social media?



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originally posted by: mirageman

Doubting Thomas

TTSA’s main success has been in promoting their forthcoming announcements about upcoming communications that will reveal things they will be talking about in the future.

The CEO, Tom DeLonge, however had been spreading wild stories for years before TTSA was launched.

Here are just some of the odd things he’s claimed.

● “…if a human feels good then that energy is a death nuke missile straight to the UFO”.

● “Do you know if you call out the name of Jesus that your [alien] abduction could stop?”

● “There still are spaceships that crash. There still are alien bodies....There are all these things. That we can back engineer.”

● All the ancient myths are right and were true.

● Atlantis really existed….

● “Magic is real..but it’s not magic it’s consciousness. To do wondrous things....it’s just physics you know”

● Consciousness is the enemy of the soulless entities that control UFOS.. All the top people know this and the universe is magical.

Then he totally lost the plot on Joe Rogan’s show. Tom was a man filled with a load of unsubstantiated woo. It seems to be fed by the same circle that once surrounded Bigelow. It has turned many sensible researchers screwball crazy. Chasing these unfalsifiable fairy tales and myths. This manipulation of people's belief systems is worrying. Look what happened to the Heaven's Gate Cult for an example.

Yet the brains of US military intelligence thought Tom was best candidate for them. The man to head up the revelations of "ET Coming to America". Or more likely an easily exploitable asset.

After uttering this story a number of times Tom DeLonge even posted on Facebook in 2016 that he’d spoken to a “General” who had found a lifeform.

No journalist has ever seemingly tried to dig deeper. Perhaps because they know Tom has been fed a load of duff information.

Three years after it started this circus has no sign of ending.

The inference has changed from initiatlly being

Donate and TTSA and will disclose the presence of ET on Earth

To…..

TTSA need to take more time because 70 years was not long enough and people will go crazy...

That has become….
We can’t break our security oaths …The US government is to blame. They won’t disclose.

Will TTSA be putting any pressure on Bob Bigelow to share all that information he squirreled away over the years?

I think not. They seem more intent on securing military contracts and hoovering up UFO sighting data via their app....following on the good work of Big Bob and not releasing it.

There is no proof that TTSA is engaging with Congress over matters of UAP incursions [read unidentified drones] over US air space. Or that any ET disclosure is coming soon or even later.

But many of those who still believe will be believing in another year and then another decade. Long after TTSA has vanished with the money. Waiting for the US government to disclose. American ufology got lazy the day it decided to take that path. Even though it was being manipulated long before the likes of Bob Bigelow and TTSA arrived.

originally posted by: mirageman

originally posted by: KansasGirl
a reply to: mirageman

....Did/does MUFON have any recourse for Bigelow bugging out on their contract? ..... Did MUFON attempt any legal measures to get the rest of the money from Bigelow....

You could probably write a book about it all. The below is off the top of my head.

From what I recall certain people within MUFON suspected the government were involved from day one when Bigelow proposed the contract. This obviously caused problems of trust. Only John Schuessler [another colourful charcter from the NIDS days] sat on the MUFON board and knew that Bigelow was using money coming from the US government.

Bigelow didn't like that MUFON banked his money for a rainy day and were not spending it the way he wanted. Legally MUFON could have probably forced him to stick to the terms of the original contract and forced him to pay up. But the board backed down and accepted lower payment terms with a James Carrion, the International Director of MUFON, resigning in protest.

Of the $22m Bigelow was given to run AAWSAP, most of it is unaccounted for. Including the cost of the non-existent warehouses he built to supposedly hold bits that fell from alien spaceships. The New York Times never really followed up with a visit and tour around them when they reported that did they?

If I have more time later in the week I'll post a bit more about Bigelow's manipulation of MUFON.

a reply to: taxasMagzene

Why are you copying posts without making a comment?

originally posted by: gippo888

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
Its all true the USG never claimed they knew what ufos were, save some debunking crap they uttered now and then such as Hynek’s (when he was a government man) swamp gas rap. And they always admitted they just didn’t know. The gripe against the USG in this regard is to the IC that deliberately time and time again, indulged in disinformation about ufos and ufology.
They should have kept their cotton-picking hands off of it, and just said WE KNOW NOTHING.

Ufology wouldn't exist if US military personnel like Corso, Lear, Dean ... hadn't spoken
All the rumors come from military environments, especially the US
The testimonies of the people would not have supported the UFO theme for 70 years
So they know a lot more than they say ...

Corso, Lear and Dean? 🤦

All of them placed fantasy above fact and contributed to the mess of fantasy stories that is American ufology. Especially Lear, who was either a complete BS merchant or insane. Maybe both.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: taxasMagzene

Why are you copying posts without making a comment?

Seem strange at least from my iPad view, that taxasMagzene is a faux member…..there is no standard ATS avatar information block nor being able to apply Like stars. Could be a hack in progress 😳



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Does ANYONE read page 1 of this post?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

A great deal of the hoax known as governmental malfeasance
in the form of UFOlogy is clearly documented.

If someone is an anti-MM bigot due to his twisted British
humor or some other reason, there are other books and
articles that put the nail in the coffin of conventional,
"CIA-created" UFOlogy.

1. This series of posts.
2. "The Greys Have Been Framed: Exploitation in the UFO Community" - Jack Brewer
3. "The Rosetta Deception" - James Carrion
4. "The Roswell UFO Crash: What they Don't want you to Know" - Kal Korff
5. "The Imagineers of War: The Untold Story of DARPA, the Pentagon Agency that Changed the World"
- Sharon Weinberger
6. This article from the CIA, on the CIA Website, where they admit to hoaxing UFOs:
www.cia.gov...
7. This article from "The Drive" that clearly and wtih irrefutable evience busts the nonsense
"Navy Encounters: www.msn.com... 59a1e629d498f96961

Personally?

I think a person has to have a mental disorder, not to take seriously
all this evidence, especially the CIA admiting to thier hoaxing.

Now mind you, the common argument would be to say, "well only
some of the UFOs" are hoaxed.

And true enough.

But the evidence is crystal clear.. controversial figures associated with
the CIA, USG, the MIC --- nearly ANY famous public UFO figure that has
made grand claims --- is pulling your leg.

Kev

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Prob coz he is now banned. Who knows.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

But the evidence is crystal clear.. 

Yes, but folks don't always like crystal clear Kev.

originally posted by: mirageman
Corso, Lear and Dean? 🤦
All of them placed fantasy above fact and contributed to the mess of fantasy stories that is American ufology. Especially Lear, who was either a complete BS merchant or insane. Maybe both.

I don't think it's that easy to classify these people as merchant or insane.
I agree that they have said a lot of nonsense but the ufology world leads to making these mistakes.
Greer is another example, he did a great job with the disclosure project but then he lost his way.
When you enter the world of ufology unfortunately you risk giving credit to madmen and debunkers, we know the story.
Until now Elizondo has not made this mistake but it is only a matter of time.

Now that the USG claims to have had a change of heart, and will now be open and honest..haha haha. I would myself have made the IC promise in those recent hearings to NEVER again operate any psyops or disinformation within the ufo community.

Indeed, why didn’t that sordid history be gone over at that hearing?

Why? I'll tell you why. Because they would have cried, for security reasons: we can’t have that discussion in open hearings!

Just like as long as republicans have any power, they'll never have any sane gun control, as long as they keep the IC intact THEYLL NEVER CHANGE their shenanigans in ufology

...ONLY IN AMERICA!

a reply to: peaceinoutz

Indeed. You don't really hear of many former military/intelligence agents outside of America claiming to have seen poltergeists, dinobeavers and claiming aliens are visiting us. It's a massive industry in the US though.

There's probably more than one agenda at play. But we cannot forget that BF Lue was recruited to AAWSAP for his counter intelligence skills. Why would hunting dinobeavers and poltergeists on a ranch that had long been given up on by Bigelow need a counter intel agent?

As I stated way back sometimes the objectives of these people are far removed from the actual operations being conducted. It's not always possible to second guess their intentions, as illustrated by the OP on this thread.

Spreading UFO stories appears to be a tactic to make it look like the US is incapable of recognizing adversaries new hardware. Maybe previously these were covered up as UFO crash retrieval stories. Which would also be a good cover for recovering failed experimental US tech too!

UFO reports in the media could well giveaway a top secret test. Adversaries will monitor them for clues. So that created a need to release false stories too. Create false trails for them to keep them wondering if your military is incompetent and your sensor technology worse than theirs.

You may also put out lots of patents for impossible to produce technologies. This then obfuscates things further for your adversaries to waste time and resources on.



That's at one level. But then of course you also have all the UFO buffs. So you need a way of keeping them occupied and believing everything is out of this world and there are crashed saucers and dead alien bodies on ice somewhere. Keep them far away from the real secret stuff. So you spread a bunch of stories around. Friendly media sources and UFOtainers lap it up. It keeps the UFO buffs fed, but going round in circles forever.

However, that also creates the added problem that these folks keep an eye on your military bases and could be infiltrated by foreign spies. It even creates 'believers' within your own military and government. Who then become targets of foreign spies.

So you are continually adapting your tactics with this 'information warfare' because of the continuous cause and effect. It's been going on throughout the post-war era in America. This is why there is lots of conflicting 'witness' testimony that doesn't make sense when collected together, and very little actual hard data to prove UFOs are otherworldly.

Most people interested in UFOs don't even think about all these national security shenanigans involved and the information warfare that it creates.

a reply to: mirageman

Do you really think America's adversaries are stupid
enough to fall for American uflology and fringe
science?

It seems more like self-inflicted wounds, than a
wound made to an adversary.

a reply to: mirageman

"Oh what a tangled web we weave/When first we practice to deceive"


I haven't heard of them basing their ufo disinformation psyops with the intent to hide secret military hardware but from the Doty/Bennewitz caper. We know of the FAKE documentary surrounding Robert Emenegger and Linda Howe which Doty intruded into, and the MJ12 revelation period.

Other than those schemes no official policy I know of has guided USG's attitude towards ufos other than the Robertson panel. Of course, some unofficial policies may have been done unknown to us. Usually, though they work from policy directives.

After stating their opinion ufos weren't a threat or a part of any foreign force it goes on to state:

a. That the continued emphasis on the reporting of these phenomena does, in these parlous times, result in a threat to the orderly functioning of the protective organs of the body politic.

We cite as examples the clogging of channels of communication by irrelevant reports, the danger of being led by continued false alarms to ignore real indications of hostile action, and the cultivation of a morbid national psychology in which skilful hostile propaganda could induce hysterical behavior and harmful distrust of duty constituted authority.

4. In order most effectively to strengthen the national facilities for the timely recognition and the appropriate handling of true indications of hostile action, and to minimize the concomitant dangers alluded to above, the Panel recommends:

a. That the national security agencies take immediate steps to strip the Unidentified Flying Objects of the special status they have been given and the aura of mystery they have unfortunately acquired;

b. That the national security agencies institute policies on intelligence, training, and public education designed to prepare the material defenses and the morale of the country to recognize most promptly and to react most effectively to true indications of hostile intent or action.

We suggest that these aims may be achieved by an integrated program designed to reassure the public of the total lack of evidence of Inimical forces behind the phenomenon, to train personnel to recognize and reject false indications quickly and effectively, and to strengthen regular channels for the evaluation of and prompt reaction to true indications of hostile measures.

Now, there may be off-the-cuff disinformation diffusion within the ufo community such as the notorious Doty/Bennewitz affair outside of official policy direction as in the Robertson panel. Or this kind of action is seen as within that policy direction.

And the TTSA actions and ramifications of their work also can be within those policy directives from the old Robertson panel it seems to me.

a reply to: peaceinoutz

I haven't heard of them basing their ufo disinformation psyops with the intent to hide secret military hardware....

KPB linked to one source earlier. www.cia.gov...

This is also documented elsewhere. The CIA claimed responsibility for over half of all UFO sightings in the 50s and 60s!!



See P78 of this PDF : The CIA and the U2 Program

They brazenly tweeted about it too in 2014 when documents were cleared for release. twitter.com...

As time passes, more documents will be released. Stay healthy!

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: mirageman

Do you really think America's adversaries are stupid
enough to fall for American uflology and fringe
science?

It seems more like self-inflicted wounds, than a
wound made to an adversary.

There will always be people involved in strange subjects and fringe science. If Americans fall for it, then so will other nationalities. Even though, it's often a high cost/low yield pursuit.

But it also opens up opportunities and vulnerabilities to espionage. UFO buffs who spend their days watching military assets believing they are filming alien tech can be exploited by adversaries.

I know for a factoid that our favourite bearded quadruple named UFO disinfo agent has an opposite number in Beijing called Hoo Mai Foo Ling!

This one aged well!

originally posted by: mirageman
There will always be people involved in strange subjects and fringe science. If Americans fall for it, then so will other nationalities. Even though, it's often a high cost/low yield pursuit.
But it also opens up opportunities and vulnerabilities to espionage. UFO buffs who spend their days watching military assets believing they are filming alien tech can be exploited by adversaries.
I know for a factoid that our favourite bearded quadruple named UFO disinfo agent has an opposite number in Beijing called Hoo Mai Foo Ling!

Are you really convinced that ufology is just that?
There were also testimonies like Fravor and Graves in the 1950s, same type of objects ... not CIA's U2
I agree with you on the manipulation of popular credulity by "opponents" but also politically.
In the last 10-15 years Ufology has also been politically exploited by the Russians.
But ufology has much deeper roots in the past, it's not just the CIA's U2 and Putin

a reply to: mirageman

I mean, I don't entirely disagree with your point, but my observation
is that government and MIC can throw thousands/millions of bodies
at stuff so this tactic you are discussing shouldn't slow them down
much.

Now granted, if somehow thier 'best minds', I mean, mini-einsteins
get side-tracked, that would be a big score!

a reply to: mirageman

I admitted what you posted.

Now, there may be off-the-cuff disinformation diffusion within the ufo community such as the notorious Doty/Bennewitz affair outside of official policy direction as in the Robertson panel. Or this kind of action is seen as within that policy direction.

And the TTSA actions and ramifications of their work also can be within those policy directives from the old Robertson panel it seems to me

.

Also, I believe all of that would be within the directives of the Robertson panel. The IC will take license from the Robertson panel and expand that with no moral qualms and concoct FAKE ufos, that goes without saying. So, if they did go as far as to hide military hardware (which IMO wasn’t or isn’t necessary) so be it, the CIA doesn’t live by laws or rules, and it’s perfectly reasonable that they can lie and say that’s the reason they concocted those FAKE ufos. They do things for more than one specific reason, I'm sure.