The covid-19 Vaccine is probably THE end game

I remember saying to my mom 10 years ago, as I was trying to open her eyes to what is truly going on in this #ed up world, that there might come a day when the governments of this world would give themselves the right and power to make bodily autonomy a thing of the past.
A world where simply choosing what goes and goes not inside of your own body would almost be seen as a fringe idea. Something criminal.

I've been reading and evaluating a lot the mainstream opinion about vaccines and mandatory vaccination of the general population and it seems my fears are based on reality.
The amount of ppl "calling out" parents who decide (with their own freewill) to not vaccinate their own childrens and suggesting to either put them in prison or revoke their right to be parents is completely insane.

Thing is, I thought a society who would force the whole world to be injected with substances was at least 50 years away... well, I guess I was either blinded or too optimistic.
Don't you see what they have been preparing from the start?
They said from the get go the covid vaccine was 12-18 months away which is pure nonsense considering making a safe and efficient vaccine takes between 5 to 15 years to do it correctly.

Instead, they have been telling us the world will never go back to the "old normal" without a vaccine. The problem with this (bull#) statement is the fact that you should not be able to predict how much time it will take to make a good vaccine and even less entirely base the idea of returning to a healthy society on the making of said vaccine.

I'll make you guys a very easy prediction.
The covid vaccine WILL be available 12-18 months after the start of this so-called pandemic.
So what does this tells us?

It tells us this whole mascarade seems to be only a reason to force 7 billions people to be injected with who knows what. Everything that has been put forward because of the coronavirus-
The physical distancing (which divide us even more)
The need to follow arrows and lines (making us like cattle)
The restriction on gathering (removing the right to protest)
The necessity to wear a mask (silencing us)

All of this was put in place so they can offer you an alternative path. Either take this vaccine and have the right to live "normally" again or keep all of the these restrictions with no clear end in sight. Even more disturbing,
"Experts" have been starting to claim we will need to show a vaccination proof of this virus to function normally in all of the layers of society-
Want to go to the superbowl?
Show your immunization proof.
Want to go to the supermarket?
Proof.
Want to go to job?
Proof...

So the big question is why do they want to make 7 billions vaccines for a virus that kills mostly the elderly (who they do not give a # about) and kills not that much more than influenza?
Something really wrong is going on and I feel like this vaccine and the looming mandatory vaccination (whether it be directly or indirectly) feels like the end of the world is upon is.

Just my opinion ofc,
What do you think is going on?

I think that a nasty coronavirus has emerged (inevitably given mankind's ability to mess with nature), that it's killing people and that attention needs to be brought to this whole screwed up situation. This is not a conspiracy, this is a pandemic. We've had them in the past and we'll have them in the future. We dealt with them in the past and we'll deal with this in the future. We have the tools to deal with them now - our ancestors did not.
In the meantime listen to the damn scientists, stop panicking over bullsh*t conspiracy theories and man up and wear a bloody mask. It will not kill you to observe social distancing and once we have a reliable vaccine we can all go back to normal.

originally posted by: St0rD
What do you think is going on?

You pretty much said the same that i would say. And for that reason, star and a flag

"Problem-Reaction-Solution, also known as Problem? Reaction. Solution., PRS, or P-R-S, is a variation on the classic Machiavellian fabricated external-enemy strategy for manipulation of public opinion and society, usually by the government. The general theory is based on the Hegelian Dialectic method thesis, antithesis, synthesis, but the specific term is usually only used in the context of a conspiracy theory.

Definition:

Problem-Reaction-Solution is defined as the strategy of creating a crisis (the problem), waiting for a call for action to resolve the crisis (the reaction), then taking action (the solution), supposedly in response, which actually furthers a hidden agenda, usually gaining power."

source of quote

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

once we have a reliable vaccine we can all go back to normal.

It's a simple thing to consider that IF it is true that people can re-infect after just a few month, what do you think the vaccine will help with this?

When I read posts like that, trying to act like the sane and calm minded person, reminding implying everyone to calm down, yet you obvious have not done your homework on this.

The science is not adding up and it looks like it will be like with the yearly flu shots. I am not talking about the vaccines that give a live long or half life long protection.

It's either we can be re-infected in just a few month and this makes a vaccine useless

OR

if you got it one time, you become immune. Then you do not need any vaccination .

I wish people like you would actually know what vaccines does and how they work, it is evident that you do not. So please, sit down, read up on this and then come back and tell us about the wonder vaccine, instead of implying everyone curious about the huge discrepancy about the current data around COVID-19, reinfections and vaccines is an idiot, fear monger and needs to calm down.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
I think that a nasty coronavirus has emerged (inevitably given mankind's ability to mess with nature), that it's killing people and that attention needs to be brought to this whole screwed up situation. This is not a conspiracy, this is a pandemic. We've had them in the past and we'll have them in the future. We dealt with them in the past and we'll deal with this in the future. We have the tools to deal with them now - our ancestors did not.
In the meantime listen to the damn scientists, stop panicking over bullsh*t conspiracy theories and man up and wear a bloody mask. It will not kill you to observe social distancing and once we have a reliable vaccine we can all go back to normal.

Have you even considered for 1 minute what I've been saying?
Yeah I know you didn't. I'm surrounded with people like you (no offence) who claims that we should stfu and get in line behind government's official story.

The problem is you did everything but truly consider that maybe, just maybe, your government didn't have your best interests at heart and that if this the case what does it mean for all of us?

Look, I get it. There is a possibility they are honest and doing everything they can to "save lives" like they claim to be doing.
But when you look at the big picture, the governments of this world have been lying to us from the beggining. ALL of them.
Even if there might be exceptions, the harsh truth is we are being lied to every #ing day. Please tell me you (at the bare minumum) know and understand that your government is never giving you full truths about anything?

Since the beginning of time we have been enslaved by the powers that be in one way or another. We have fought so hard to get to this moment in time when we have some beautiful freedom and then we are already letting it go because of a mild to semi-severe virus.

"Those who would give up essentiel liberties to purchase a temporary safety deserve neither liberty or security"
Benjamin Franklin

I'm glad there will be a vaccine. I will take it. My kids will take it.

I'd say the chance this will turn us into zombies is .000000000000000001% chance.

I also do not believe the Gov't should make it mandatory. That goes against everything we are as a country.

In the future, should there be a virus so deadly and contagious as Ebola or something, then I can see the logic in mandating vaccine. Covid ain't that.

originally posted by: FingerMan
I'm glad there will be a vaccine. I will take it. My kids will take it.

I'd say the chance this will turn us into zombies is .000000000000000001% chance.

I also do not believe the Gov't should make it mandatory. That goes against everything we are as a country.

In the future, should there be a virus so deadly and contagious as Ebola or something, then I can see the logic in mandating vaccine. Covid ain't that.

I respect where your mind is at.

Still, can you please consider that there is something shady behind all of this and that maybe it is everything but a good choice to make for your childrens and you? I might be wrong ofc, but please answer this question honestly-

Why do you think most of the countries and its government will probably force everyone to show an immunization proof everywhere in society for a virus that is killing mostly old people?

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

Yeah. That is my understanding too. I had corona in late February. There were no testing yet, but all the symptoms matched, and i was a total train wreck site. That means i have immunity to that type of coronavirus now, but it is September, and the virus has already mutated multiple times, and i have no immunity for those, and i won't get that immunity from any kind of vaccine that humankind is able to develop at this point, right?

originally posted by: MapOfNowhere

originally posted by: St0rD
What do you think is going on?

You pretty much said the same that i would say. And for that reason, star and a flag

"Problem-Reaction-Solution, also known as Problem? Reaction. Solution., PRS, or P-R-S, is a variation on the classic Machiavellian fabricated external-enemy strategy for manipulation of public opinion and society, usually by the government. The general theory is based on the Hegelian Dialectic method thesis, antithesis, synthesis, but the specific term is usually only used in the context of a conspiracy theory.

Definition:

Problem-Reaction-Solution is defined as the strategy of creating a crisis (the problem), waiting for a call for action to resolve the crisis (the reaction), then taking action (the solution), supposedly in response, which actually furthers a hidden agenda, usually gaining power."

source of quote

Yeah exactly.

From the looks of it, the covid pandemic seems like the best example of all where you get to see the divide and conquer tactic and the PRS one you just provided.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg stop panicking over bullsh*t conspiracy theories and man up and wear a bloody mask.

We are not panicking, or most of us are not. But this is a conspiracy site. Here is something more suitable for you and your preference to not think. cnn.com

Bill Gates has already made it clear he has a depopulation agenda.The MSM is happy to promote this. Covid19 is only the start to cull the herd. From what I have seen so far with the relation between flu shots and covid deaths ain't good.

This is a long term program, those that do expose themselves to vaccinations will be more exposed to future genetic manipulation from the data so far. Trust requires understanding, all i understand so far is a pandemic of fake news.

a reply to: kwakakev

True.
And I'm not saying the vaccine will kill us or anything.

The way I see it if people accept that a covid vaccine is mandatory for all, added to the necessity of showing proof of immunization everywhere, then it might be the end of freewill and liberty as we know it.

The moment we give the right to the leaders of this world to force substances in our childrens and ourselves, we are doomed man.

You talked about genetic modifications and I know this vaccine is based on a new method based on RNA. Do you know anything about the extent and meaning behind it?

a reply to: St0rD

This is looking to be a MANDATORY shot. Required to work or go outside. How do I know this? Because they are in the process of relabeling it. Which means they don't want you to notice that your freedom of choice is about be taken away. The new term is "compulsory".

My understanding is that you can only be vaccinated against this flu strain for about 3 months. Then you'll need another shot.
Three recent studies – from China, Britain and now the United States – have called into question how long people carry antibodies after infection. But the reality may be less dire than recent headlines suggest.

The latest of these papers is from a research group at UCLA. It tracked antibodies in 34 people with the coronavirus and found that the average antibody levels dropped to half of where they started over a period of about 2 1/2 months. ...

I also understand that after the initial shot, more than likely you'll have to pay for the next ones. Which are gearing up to be needed quarterly. But hey, if you want to pay every 3 months to get inoculated for the flu...have at it. I personally don't wanna. And as an individual, living in the USA, a free country, that choice is my right.

I also understand that this world is full of diverse and unique people. Each individual has his/her own immunity level. I don't need the flu shot..it makes me get the flu. Conversely, my sister gets one every year, otherwise she will get sick. And that's ok. We both hang out with each other and neither one of us get sick following our own individual health needs. It is not an issue.

I guess the point is..quit taking my freedom of choice away. I pay to play in this country (taxes) just as well as anyone else. Maybe the government should listen to the populace as a whole instead of just the few who are screaming the loudest.

Thanks,
blend

a reply to: MapOfNowhere
If the virus mutates (it's a inert particle and not even single-celled, it's not an organism so mutate may be the wrong word), the vaccine would need to be adapted just like the seasonal flu shots, correct.

If it does not mutate or not fast enough, the vaccines will be useful, long term and a good thing for those with immune systems that can not come up with their own defenses.

Taking the yearly flu shot is essentially an estimated guess that is at least a year old. Every year a group of scientist select a few mutation lines and develop / produce / adapt a vaccine. If you are lucky to get exactly that one, and if you do not get sick from it, it is not even sure you would contract that kind of virus.

These are too many "if"'s for me to justify a rushed injection. The kind of disinformation if not to say straight lies is staggering. The public is not informed the way I would like to expect.

Of course the pharmacy sector is already pleased since they got another waiver for milking this cash-cow.

My 2 cents.

a reply to: MapOfNowhere

I had this in March / April:

- Swollen lymph knots and throat
- Heavy thick cough, so bad my whole upper chest hurt from the cough.
- Blood cough that ended up with coughing up a branch like bloody blood clot, two times, then the blood cough stopped. Before that stopped, I thought it's from my gums.
- General weakness and tiredness
- Heavy sweating at night
- Headaches and far distance vision blurry

Back then, the doc sent me home without even doing a test. Back then, it was only an option if I could proof that I had contact with someone that contracted the COVID-19/Corona. I had no interest but I asked if it could be COVID-19. Well, I was told to isolate for two weeks, which I did. From then on it went down hill with me. Later I had pain in the heart region but that turned out to be a sore breast muscle as it was too shallow to be the heart.

I also had a similar thing in early December but not that hefty. I do not have proof if it was COVID-19 or not. Two antibody test done in late Spring were, I quote my doctor "of contradicting nature". But since then I got antibiotics two times in a row because my tonsils would not stop swelling up and my "throat-nose-ear"-specialist did a third swap with no feedback so that one was negative, too. Or "contradicting", who knows.

If the tonsils do not swell down in a few weeks I consider having them removed, as a last resort. It constant feels like I imagine glass shards might feel, in my throat. It's a generous estimation when I say that in the last four to five months, I may have had a week without pain in the throat since.

My daughter is and was just fine, she had to stay isolated with me, since that was the only option.

a reply to: St0rD

You talked about genetic modifications and I know this vaccine is based on a new method based on RNA. Do you know anything about the extent and meaning behind it?

As an analogy, Your DNA is like the operating system, there are some data length comparisons. We have about 750MB of data wrapped up in each cell of DNA. The RNA is similar to the active processes that are running within that operating system of each cell. They do lots of things, each cell type has its own processes running, its own code.

Some of the theories coming out for a vaccination of SARS type virus involve tinkering with the RNA and active processes of that cell. Some of this link back to the DNA and 'upgrade' your operating system. Lifelong change unless you can reformat.

Other theories for a vaccination involve being the virus itself, crazy stuff. By training the RNA to replicate virus components, it keeps the immune system engaged to keep producing antibodies. Like WTF? So the only way to cure you is to infect you, isn't that what nature is doing anyway? Why all the suppression on the treatment? Do these ignorance hat wearing nut jobs want to kill us all?

If we categorized every illness like we do Coronavirus every illness would be considered a pandemic. This crap is way overblown, not very deadly, and I still don’t know a soul that has it.

They will have to come to my door with the police to even get close to being able to vaccinate me. They will have to stop at the end of my drive and walk 300 feet to my door. So they would need a warrant with a court order issued to trespass and force me to vaccinate. Otherwise without a warrant, the most they could say is they were doing a welfare check and they'd have to leave after a few minutes. They would knock on the doors, walk around and look through some windows at most if that were the case.

Once they announce a mandatory vaccine, I'll be on high alert and will likely be in a hunting blind watching them from a distance, well armed of course. If they proceed farther, like forced entry or a perimeter search, I'll be a mile or more away in the deep swamp. Like any whitetail, eventually I'll circle back within a few hours.

If this escalates further, they will not like coming to my place again, not without a lot of back up, blood hounds and extra equipment like chainsaws, quads with winches, and hip waders, for a start.

a reply to: St0rD

They already do this in a lot of cases.

Abortion rights.
Drug laws.

So it's not a stretch to think they might want even more power over our bodies.

a reply to: kwakakev

Bill Gates has already made it clear he has a depopulation agenda

He can't do anything without the current governments consent though.