HUGE - The CDC Reveals that Only 6 Percent of Covid-19 Deaths Are Caused Solely by Covid-19.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: putnam6
Everybody has got a story hell my uncle got it, 75 years old already had a spot on his lungs years ago, guess what a month and half later he is fine, yea he had 4 days in the hospital. So quit saying all of think it's a hoax. Is it really that far fetched that some people in power would take advantage of this? Play up the negatives, yes we heard the most at risk were the elderly and ones with secondary issues but damn sure nobody said at anytime that 94% deaths had secondary issues.

Hell the added stress, worry and concern probably killed 20000 on it's own then you have domestic violence and abuse, drug abuse alcohol abuse suicides all on the increase. Even if the unlikelihood nobody pushed any buttons to prolong it, we will be living with the consequences for a long time, much longer than it had to be. If we had just quarantined the sick and those at risk first to see what would happen.

The problem will the theory that this is being played up is that there is no real rational plus side for that to be done.

Quarantining only those who are vulnerable sounds great in theory, the problem with that is that we didn't full know who was vulnerable and and even we did it would be impossible to adequately isolate them.

What the hell, that pretty much was the game plan previously, take care of the elderly and those at risk you know common sense....

Unfortunately the elderly and vulnerable don't all live by themselves, and those that do will often need additional support. Isolating only those vulnerable was never a practical plan at least without a lot more preparation and knowledge of the virus.

So then lets isolate the entire population what BS,and act like the elderly and the sick didn't have the same Fing issues as isolating them alone. I mean hell what happened with the full shutdown, people with elderly family either moved in with them or took care of them same with the at risk . We still do protocols wear masks wash hands like you have to do for anybody elderly or at risk doing chemo treatments. For instance in my family one of us could have watched my Mom even though that wasn't needed and the others could have worked instead we all were put out of work have gone from 5 houses in the family to 3 and it will likely be 2 or less by the end of next year.

Then you will have 7 older to elderly adults that were supporting themselves for 40 years all out of work or working jobs making minimal wages. There are millions in the same boat or worse.

It wasn't a practical option. You can't sufficiently isolate vulnerable individuals if the virus is widespread, certainly not without a lot more time and preparation. There wasn't even sufficient PPE to cover hospitals never mind the level needed if you tried to isolate all vulnerable individuals.

You are also applying 2020 hindsight, there was insufficient data about who and how the virus affected.

If isolating only at risk individuals had been seen as a realistic option you really think governments wouldn't have preferred that?

As Ive said in this thread I get it atleast initially you have the CDC saying look at Italy there will be millions dead, but it didn't have to be for the extended period. Regardless its done now what's lost isn't ever coming back or when it does I'll be one of the elderly and dammit Sceptic Scott you had better take care of me LOL.

I took a dump. It MIGHT have covid. Waiting for testers...

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: putnam6
Everybody has got a story hell my uncle got it, 75 years old already had a spot on his lungs years ago, guess what a month and half later he is fine, yea he had 4 days in the hospital. So quit saying all of think it's a hoax. Is it really that far fetched that some people in power would take advantage of this? Play up the negatives, yes we heard the most at risk were the elderly and ones with secondary issues but damn sure nobody said at anytime that 94% deaths had secondary issues.

Hell the added stress, worry and concern probably killed 20000 on it's own then you have domestic violence and abuse, drug abuse alcohol abuse suicides all on the increase. Even if the unlikelihood nobody pushed any buttons to prolong it, we will be living with the consequences for a long time, much longer than it had to be. If we had just quarantined the sick and those at risk first to see what would happen.

The problem will the theory that this is being played up is that there is no real rational plus side for that to be done.

Quarantining only those who are vulnerable sounds great in theory, the problem with that is that we didn't full know who was vulnerable and and even we did it would be impossible to adequately isolate them.

What the hell, that pretty much was the game plan previously, take care of the elderly and those at risk you know common sense....

Unfortunately the elderly and vulnerable don't all live by themselves, and those that do will often need additional support. Isolating only those vulnerable was never a practical plan at least without a lot more preparation and knowledge of the virus.

Hey you are aware of the fantastically coincidental timed simulation that was run a mere few months from this b/s kicking off AND that out of all the entire " fictional events " they could've pulled out of the hat, what do ya know ? All those mega powerful peoples in the industries that would be 100% directly attached to any " simulation " or " live event ", do you seriously believe that every single one of them for some unstated reason or another was simply unable to sharpen their " preperation "practices or brush up on their " knowledge of the virus " ? All the different stats getting thrown around I think of all those knobs attending that BILL GATES sponsered 'playdate' supposedly not learning a damn thing worthwhile to the field they were representing would be statistically impossible for a start.
Followed closely I might add by the nonsensical fairytale played out in such a great list of countries of the starkly contrasting protocols governing the simple task of counting the dead.
The cynic in me is waiting to see the numbers regarding the more obvious epidemic running amok, that being cognitive dissonance in general population. They will be huge !!

originally posted by: fotsyfots

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: putnam6
Everybody has got a story hell my uncle got it, 75 years old already had a spot on his lungs years ago, guess what a month and half later he is fine, yea he had 4 days in the hospital. So quit saying all of think it's a hoax. Is it really that far fetched that some people in power would take advantage of this? Play up the negatives, yes we heard the most at risk were the elderly and ones with secondary issues but damn sure nobody said at anytime that 94% deaths had secondary issues.

Hell the added stress, worry and concern probably killed 20000 on it's own then you have domestic violence and abuse, drug abuse alcohol abuse suicides all on the increase. Even if the unlikelihood nobody pushed any buttons to prolong it, we will be living with the consequences for a long time, much longer than it had to be. If we had just quarantined the sick and those at risk first to see what would happen.

The problem will the theory that this is being played up is that there is no real rational plus side for that to be done.

Quarantining only those who are vulnerable sounds great in theory, the problem with that is that we didn't full know who was vulnerable and and even we did it would be impossible to adequately isolate them.

What the hell, that pretty much was the game plan previously, take care of the elderly and those at risk you know common sense....

Unfortunately the elderly and vulnerable don't all live by themselves, and those that do will often need additional support. Isolating only those vulnerable was never a practical plan at least without a lot more preparation and knowledge of the virus.

Hey you are aware of the fantastically coincidental timed simulation that was run a mere few months from this b/s kicking off AND that out of all the entire " fictional events " they could've pulled out of the hat, what do ya know ? All those mega powerful peoples in the industries that would be 100% directly attached to any " simulation " or " live event ", do you seriously believe that every single one of them for some unstated reason or another was simply unable to sharpen their " preperation "practices or brush up on their " knowledge of the virus " ? All the different stats getting thrown around I think of all those knobs attending that BILL GATES sponsered 'playdate' supposedly not learning a damn thing worthwhile to the field they were representing would be statistically impossible for a start.
Followed closely I might add by the nonsensical fairytale played out in such a great list of countries of the starkly contrasting protocols governing the simple task of counting the dead.
The cynic in me is waiting to see the numbers regarding the more obvious epidemic running amok, that being cognitive dissonance in general population. They will be huge !!

You know that governments and businesses run simulations for all sorts of scenarios.

There is a big difference between running a simulation and actually having the resources and people available.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Yes I suppose your right. A good label for those then would be catastrophic failures from which many many heads should roll. On second thoughts isn't your theory a bit like taking annual leave from your job, packing a suitcase & planning an itinerary for a month long vacation in the Bahamas knowing full well you're worse than dead broke & visa restricted from entering the Bahamas in the first place ? You do know that one of the most blatant realizations that came about was that PPE was in such dismal stockpiled numbers ? Hmmm, bit strange no action was taken on that most doable result, don't ya think ?

originally posted by: fotsyfots
a reply to: ScepticScot

Yes I suppose your right. A good label for those then would be catastrophic failures from which many many heads should roll. On second thoughts isn't your theory a bit like taking annual leave from your job, packing a suitcase & planning an itinerary for a month long vacation in the Bahamas knowing full well you're worse than dead broke & visa restricted from entering the Bahamas in the first place ? You do know that one of the most blatant realizations that came about was that PPE was in such dismal stockpiled numbers ? Hmmm, bit strange no action was taken on that most doable result, don't ya think ?

It wasn't done for the same reason airports in the Bahamas don't buy snow ploughs. Planning for a onece in a century event is one thing, spending the money is another.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: carewemust

For Hell's sake cut the BS.


Look, I got one of my guys in his 30s in the hospital that has lost half his heart function due to covid attacking his heart and other organs.

Yeah, Covid might not kill him but the damage covid did to his heart may.

We sure AREN'T saying that there aren't victims but we do need to cut to the truth so we can figure out what happened and what to do about it, if anything should. I personally think we have DS lie being foisted on us because SOME people have caught the WuHan virus. I know of some people who had it at death but I know personally of know one who died 1st hand and I know literally thousands of people in my circle. The Gov types I interact with are NOT getting it for what that is worth.

a reply to: infolurker

Or he is one of the 6%.

6% implies that COVID does kill, but it does so rarely. Rarely however means it happens, just not often, not nearly as often as implied.

The fact remains that most who die do so because they had to fight multiple battles, including the one against COVID.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: rickymouse

About the only scientists I like now are Space Scientists. They genuinely seem to want to improve the human condition. The climate scientists seem to be the worst.

My career in Environmental Science is filled with like minded NON Man made Global warming because we KNOW CO2 is natural and these Asshats ruining Science are trying to say it is UNNATURAL. Bull f'n shee ite.

Most but not all of the EPA people who are not in DC are with me too! Many of us know we are being played. I joined ATS about this very subject and one "Science" asshat who tells everyone he is a God of Science but has no teeth in his arguments always crickets when the hard data comes out that slams his "hero worship" of the liars at the IPPCC. Using Lithgow Avatar he is a flaming fool for liars. I hope he wakes up so he can retain the actual facts.

The lay people of Science are going to turn away from it making my job harder and harder when I have solid data to support my position. Liars are ruining Science.

Obese people are the most at risk. But you can't tell them that because it's not nice.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Ooh my bad, I had no intention of debating with a plant of 77th brigade or whatever you are a part of. I'll disengage & accept I'm confidant of independantly researching my own information using common sense & political history, logic & enough confidence in my ability to know a scam as well as the adequacy to self regulate my own health.
You on the other hand unfortunately have been suitably programmed by your handlers/masters to such a point that you don't seem to comprehend that intelligent, rational people will recognise that vaccinating the whole planet against a "virus" that 99% of people are already surviving vaccine free, is sheer stupidity.
I'm sorry you are unable to think or act for yourself & your own self interests but lobbing up uneducated to the actual present day facts & trying to find some solace for your own inability to self govern your life, will only bring you more anxiety & self pity in the long term.
Good luck out there though champ

originally posted by: fotsyfots
a reply to: ScepticScot

Ooh my bad, I had no intention of debating with a plant of 77th brigade or whatever you are a part of. I'll disengage & accept I'm confidant of independantly researching my own information using common sense & political history, logic & enough confidence in my ability to know a scam as well as the adequacy to self regulate my own health.
You on the other hand unfortunately have been suitably programmed by your handlers/masters to such a point that you don't seem to comprehend that intelligent, rational people will recognise that vaccinating the whole planet against a "virus" that 99% of people are already surviving vaccine free, is sheer stupidity.
I'm sorry you are unable to think or act for yourself & your own self interests but lobbing up uneducated to the actual present day facts & trying to find some solace for your own inability to self govern your life, will only bring you more anxiety & self pity in the long term.
Good luck out there though champ

Usual conspiracy theory garbage and completely misplaced superiority posted when people run out of ability to actually discuss a topic.

Disappointing but not in any way surprising.

a reply to: ScepticScot
Oh 1 more then I guess. Conspiracy theory garbage, you say ? Go on. Hmmmm, I gave a review of both our stances & I guess the only " theory " included was
" intelligent, rational people will recognise that vaccinating the whole planet against a "virus" that 99% of people are already surviving vaccine free, is sheer stupidity. "

I don't like disappointing anyone so come on then I'll engage in ' discussing the topic ' .
Have I misjudged you by chance ? I assume you will be a willing test subject to rush for Bill's vaccine ? If so, then by that action alone you will fall into the 99 percentile of people that survived the " pandemic " without the need for a vaccine & yet still be convinced that imminent death is upon you necessitating you now seeking vaccine.

Straight up I've never been a fan of TV or printed media for " news " & I accept maybe I am too hasty to reason that anyone in that 99% willing to completely ignore so many inconsistencies, conflicting orders, fudged numbers, so many coincidental visions/plans for society suddenly being ready & perfect time to implement but above all the science & long held standards in both isolating the thing & regarding creating a vaccine to combat that which they have not isolated, not to mention the gross dereliction of safety protocol procedures. The list goes on really. I just put it down to the fear you've been swallowing by so many talking heads through programming.
What do you think it is because ?

Oh, I'm doing it again ! I'm assuming you aren't a walking pin cushion having been vaccinated for any of the scores of other near statistically impossible ' mass killer health issues ' that exist BUT THat you've not let yourself be overwhelmed with such constant fear mongering regarding ?

When you're ready captain !?

originally posted by: fotsyfots
a reply to: ScepticScot
Oh 1 more then I guess. Conspiracy theory garbage, you say ? Go on. Hmmmm, I gave a review of both our stances & I guess the only " theory " included was
" intelligent, rational people will recognise that vaccinating the whole planet against a "virus" that 99% of people are already surviving vaccine free, is sheer stupidity. "

I don't like disappointing anyone so come on then I'll engage in ' discussing the topic ' .
Have I misjudged you by chance ? I assume you will be a willing test subject to rush for Bill's vaccine ? If so, then by that action alone you will fall into the 99 percentile of people that survived the " pandemic " without the need for a vaccine & yet still be convinced that imminent death is upon you necessitating you now seeking vaccine.

Straight up I've never been a fan of TV or printed media for " news " & I accept maybe I am too hasty to reason that anyone in that 99% willing to completely ignore so many inconsistencies, conflicting orders, fudged numbers, so many coincidental visions/plans for society suddenly being ready & perfect time to implement but above all the science & long held standards in both isolating the thing & regarding creating a vaccine to combat that which they have not isolated, not to mention the gross dereliction of safety protocol procedures. The list goes on really. I just put it down to the fear you've been swallowing by so many talking heads through programming.
What do you think it is because ?

Oh, I'm doing it again ! I'm assuming you aren't a walking pin cushion having been vaccinated for any of the scores of other near statistically impossible ' mass killer health issues ' that exist BUT THat you've not let yourself be overwhelmed with such constant fear mongering regarding ?

When you're ready captain !?

The conspiracy theory garbage is the belief that anyone who holds a different view is either some kind of paid shill or brainwashed.

The reality is one side of this debate is based on the best evidence available and consistent with the views of the overwhelming majority of medical and scientific experts .

The other is based on fringe websites and YouTube videos.

Meanwhile Germany is going to rally against the Fake Vaccine!

RFKJr to be at largest Antivaccine rally perhaps ever in the world 2.5- 6 million expected in Berlin

a reply to: Justoneman

Also, the media is starting to realize that people are tuning out to them screaming "34 New Covid-19 Cases at the ___________ school, team, etc.. today!!"

Everyone, except the most skittish, know that almost none of the "cases" will end up in the hospital.

You hear the media excitedly scream, but there's never any follow-up on the big "spreader event" because within a couple of weeks, everyone recovered at home, and went on about their lives.... Just like the Flu, a bad Cold, etc..

a reply to: Justoneman

Attorneys in New York, and some other states, have been hired to look at ways to legally compel citizens to take the Covid-19 Vaccine. It's being floated that a huge incentive would be to not renew automobile plates, and drivers licenses, if the resident hasn't been vaccinated for Covid-19.

They may try to put FLU into that mandate, as well.

If Biden is elected, it's all guaranteed to happen, across all 50 states.

This is cut and dried fakery at this point. The Antifa riots are slowing down resolving this. We have some idiots who need to grow up or go to prison for the rest of their terrorists lives if they survive till they have to go to prison.

We have some sedition going on and there will be hell to pay for those bringing this on us.

The damage is done. It could be zero deaths from covid and people would still be terrified and quote it’s horror, they saw it on CNN. The only conversation is “the virus might have a second wave in the fall” Now. Don’t pay attention to the man behind the curtain...


a reply to: carewemust

originally posted by: Justoneman
Meanwhile Germany is going to rally against the Fake Vaccine!

RFKJr to be at largest Antivaccine rally perhaps ever in the world 2.5- 6 million expected in Berlin

Crowd estimates about 18,000.

Little way short of 6 million.