It just doesn't happen

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: rom12345

You would need to break down the premise there mate.

If you are implying intelligence exists simply because of space-time, im apt to ponder why?

the observation of things happening in space (space-time), is instantiated entity level intelligence.
It is not the atemporal 'plan' that it comes from.

a reply to: rom12345

Do you know what a Boltzmann Brain is?

It's a flawed theory anyhow so maybe beside the point.

But things happen whether we are around to observe them or otherwise, at least at the macro scale our universe exists.

Cause and effect are the colour of our day.

a reply to: rom12345

But it's not what's happening for a long time. We went from H to Fe, that's no increase in entropy but in complexity.
We went from Cyano to reptiles, increase in complexity.
We went from something rat-like to apes increase in complexity.
We went from plasma and dust to planets and moons etc neatly on their orbit, decrease in entropy by a lot.
We went from primitive humanoids using bones and stones as tools to massive data cllection massive increase in complexity.

The third Law:

The third law of thermodynamics states that a system's entropy approaches a constant value as the temperature approaches absolute zero. With the exception of non-crystalline solids (glasses) the entropy of a system at absolute zero is typically close to zero.

Just so we both know it doesn't apply.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: rom12345

Do you know what a Boltzmann Brain is?

It's a flawed theory anyhow so maybe beside the point.

But things happen whether we are around to observe them or otherwise, at least at the macro scale our universe exists.

Cause and effect are the colour of our day.

I am a Boltzmann Brain

originally posted by: Phantom423


Please find a post by me that says my great uncle was a mutant ape.

If evolution is true, you can trace our lineage back to a divergence from a mutant ape. This great-grand-daddy mutant ape is what you think is your ancestor. Going back even further you think the greatest grand-daddy of them all is a little microbe that managed to miraculously form from pond goo. I have great grief that so many people believe such nonsense. There is so much philosophical potential in every human, yet it is wasted because the youth are convinced they are an accident. You are one of the perpetrators of this philosophical travesty.

a reply to: rom12345

Well statistically speaking and all that jazz.

Somehow i imagine life the universe and everything requires more than just space-time to produce and accommodate the magic recipe of consciousness, whatever that may be.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Phantom423


Please find a post by me that says my great uncle was a mutant ape.

If evolution is true, you can trace our lineage back to a divergence from a mutant ape. This great-grand-daddy mutant ape is what you think is your ancestor. Going back even further you think the greatest grand-daddy of them all is a little microbe that managed to miraculously form from pond goo. I have great grief that so many people believe such nonsense. There is so much philosophical potential in every human, yet it is wasted because the youth are convinced they are an accident. You are one of the perpetrators of this philosophical travesty.

Absolutely not true. Branching and speciation defines evolution - not your god from the Blue Lagoon. You're the monkey mutation by choice. Your cult is nothing but filth and corruption.

originally posted by: Phantom423

Absolutely not true. Branching and speciation defines evolution - not your god from the Blue Lagoon. You're the monkey mutation by choice. Your cult is nothing but filth and corruption.

How can you avoid inevitably having an ape-like creature in human lineage if evolution is true?

You don't even understand your own religion.

a reply to: Xtrozero

As we moved into about 1000 years ago that 1000s of years to like double our knowledge was now 100s of year, and then about 1700 that was down to 100 years, 1900 hit and we are talking horse and buggy to on the moon in 70 years. Today it is suggested it is down to 10 years now as to huge gains.

Before Hawking died he said man has taken over his own evolution. Musk wants to create neural implants because he sees AI evolve much faster than man can and feels we need to emerge with AI to stay at the same pace. In 50 years man will be much different and in 5000 years just think of what man might be? In 10,000 years we might be terraforming another plant and planting life there in our image...

See I'm sure you'll fail to give credit where credit is absolutely do.
But long before any of this came about the book of fairy tales had
some desert goat herder entered this passage in Daniel.12"4

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, even to the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.”

You intellectuals never give this stuff credit. But it's accurate it's for
sight and it's wisdom.

I hope you're happy now you got me quoting the Bible. I never do that.:cheers"

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Phantom423

Absolutely not true. Branching and speciation defines evolution - not your god from the Blue Lagoon. You're the monkey mutation by choice. Your cult is nothing but filth and corruption.

How can you avoid inevitably having an ape-like creature in human lineage if evolution is true?

You don't even understand your own religion.

Confirmation that you're an idiot. You get run over every time.
Your cult stinks of filth and corruption.

a reply to: Phantom423

Confirmation that you're an idiot. You get run over every time.
Your cult stinks of filth and corruption.

This kind of post is usually filed under irrational idiot.
I've seen no such post from Coop. Just so you know
because it doesn't seem like you get it. Let me put it
this way.

You're making yourself look like a Godless possessed baggage handler.

a reply to: toktaylor

Because apart from belief ...there is no evidence to support God. God was applied to the equation when man did not have the answers to certain question. Since the time of Man only man has spoken for God..he has left no evidence of himself/herself/itself...yet..again because we don't have all the answers..rather than try to find out the truth, based on evidence, we cling to the God theory..only because the idea of death frightens us so.

This is just Atheist assumption. God was applied just out of nowhere people
spring up are on the scene for no reason at all. And without the slightest
reason someone constructs this elaborate lie with no concept of the divine.

And people just say :Okay lets all believe we were created by God". No I don't
think so pal. the ancient monuments to Gods all over the Earth tell a much
different story. Worthy of those amazing efforts. And that's just the way
science should see it. Why does science turn so hokey with excuses when
the possibility is the ancients really did have demi gods coming to earth
out of Heaven. I don;t trust another man enough to tell me if they ever
found proof of the ancient gods.

So that right there says science fears something.

And it's ignorant to say Christians fear death. I certainly don't and
never have. the martyrs. So nothing.

originally posted by: carsforkids

I hope you're happy now you got me quoting the Bible. I never do that.:cheers"

Great at least we now know what God you are talking about....

I guess I'll just leave the conversation since your replies to my lengthy posts are now just one liners from the bible...have fun with it.

Go back in your religious safe room and read it a dozen more times... lol BTW there are about 6 billion other humans that say you are wrong and they are right, so maybe you all should roshambo for the winning spot...

a reply to: Xtrozero

Well certainly don't want you to leave. And I was short on time for the
last response just trying to get to everyone. I thought might be interesting
to read your take on that passage in Daniel. Any way thanks for posting.

originally posted by: carsforkids

Well certainly don't want you to leave. And I was short on time for the
last response just trying to get to everyone. I thought might be interesting
to read your take on that passage in Daniel. Any way thanks for posting.

It basically says keep knowledge secret until the ends of time...I don't think either is happening as in secrets are flowing faster than ever. At your finger tips is all the knowledge of the world, what will that look like in even 100 years?. There could be a end of time for man by his own doing though, or some other force...not like old mother earth hasn't had a bunch of life reset buttons.

As to the bible...I don't think people give humans enough credit. We say great works are words of God, we say things like the pyramids had be built by advance aliens etc and in the end man did it all by himself...

a reply to: carsforkids

Well the problem with the ancients is they seemed to have at times used the word "God" a bit inflationary, for their rulers, natural phenomenon, planets/stars and such, so there's maybe a little lost-in-translation happening.
And they were at times quite dumb, or not dumber than we are but... well human. Errare humanum est.

But I do agree that the whole body of religious texts points towards something extra ordinary materialists love to deny.
But that might be "just" a mystery of the consciousness and not necessarily proof for something outside the human experience.

A great book is COSMOSAPIENS from John Hands.

a reply to: Peeple

But I do agree that the whole body of religious texts points towards something extra ordinary materialists love to deny.
But that might be "just" a mystery of the consciousness and not necessarily proof for something outside the human experience.

A great book is COSMOSAPIENS from John Hands.

Now at least that's fair enough.

I'm so bent right now. I was just about done with a long retort
to Xtro. In fact I was proof reading. Our new air conditioner
tripped the breaker and I lost it. lol

It's kinda funny because I can't just snap back long commentary
like most of you can. I mean I really have to take my time or
I end up posting an even more incoherent mess.

Can I swear right now? I think I will when I go outside.

Whatta pisser!

Cosmosapiens I'll give it a look.

You could tell my every post has an edit.

a reply to: Xtrozero

That is just 10,000 year or so, how about a billion?

How bout we make it thru the next ten?

To be honest I'm not sure if higher intelligence is a good trait.

I think it is. But what I see is like a bunch of loose cannons as our
intelligence lacks one thing. Guidance! It seems so clear to me that
this world is what we've created. And isn't anything that God intended
for us.

We can destroy life on the earth 1000 times over as example, but if we live through that period there is a good chance we will become something that isn't really life as the universe creates.

You just answered an argumentative question often posed by the opposition.
Why doesn't God reveal himself and remove all doubt? But I often
think that taking the time to answer is worthless. Because an answer
isn't why the question was posed. The opposition is only asking because
they don't think the question has a good answer. But it does.

I wonder how that all fits into God's plan since he plans everything it seems, so whatever we do even if we destroy the earth it is actually God's plan. ANYTHING that happens within his universe would be God's plan.

So if this world was a culmination of man having a sacred relationship
with his Creator? It would be so much different. And that's what it says
we had at the beginning. But right when things were about to take off
something happened right?

And from what the way I make sense of it all God was willing to
work with us in our naive state. Because he knew the serpent had
beguiled us, humanity. But everything changed when God asked
Adam what happened. And what did he do? He lifted his pointed
finger at his own wife and like a coward he blamed her.

And that was it for God. That was to much for him and we've
been repeating that same mistake like an echo all thru time.
Always looking for someone else to blame. When we are all guilty.
We even blame God when he has shown us infinite patience.
So you see God doesn't have a plan for this world and Jesus made
it clear that he was not of this world.

Gods only plan for now is making sure those who understand and
want redemption? And a relationship with him someday when he
gets to what his plan was finally. That we can have it on the most
simple of terms he could offer.

Just love the Father with all your heart and believe in what his
son did to redeem us. Then when you truly have that in your heart
you won't be perfect in this mess we've made. But you will put your
best foot forward. And begin the struggle to obey him seeing it
really is what is best for us any way. God doesn't make anything just
to watch it die.

Then the adventure starts with Gods guidance. I think we pick
up right back at the beginning. And only thru the Father do we
live forever and have fantastic adventures filling all that empty
space out there void of life. With us because that's what we were
about to begin. This is the beginning of God experiencing love.

You only need to understand that all things are obviously possible
in this existence. And they are but we need that oracle or we just
spin our wheels towards our own demise. It threatens us even now.

Anyway that's why I'll take all things are possible over your ridged
boring evolution any day. I just hope some how you don't miss out.
Cause it's gonna be pretty bitch'n.

a reply to: carsforkids

Just love the Father with all your heart and believe in what his 
son did to redeem us. Then when you truly have that in your heart 
you won't be perfect in this mess we've made. But you will put your 
best foot forward. And begin the struggle to obey him seeing it 
really is what is best for us any way. 

You started a discussion talking about how we should all feel insulted by theory of evolution and we are just too smart to buy that baloney, then you turn around and try to convince us that this cult propaganda is somehow more dependable and rational than evolution but there's no data or facts in anything you said. And you want to tell us how to feel insulted by misinformation and bad science? SMDH

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Phantom423


Please find a post by me that says my great uncle was a mutant ape.

If evolution is true, you can trace our lineage back to a divergence from a mutant ape. This great-grand-daddy mutant ape is what you think is your ancestor. Going back even further you think the greatest grand-daddy of them all is a little microbe that managed to miraculously form from pond goo. I have great grief that so many people believe such nonsense. There is so much philosophical potential in every human, yet it is wasted because the youth are convinced they are an accident. You are one of the perpetrators of this philosophical travesty.

What do you mean by "philosophical potential"? What do you mean by wasting it?