White slavery

The problem with slavery is that its not much of a problem as long as you are not the one being used as a slave. But fifty years before the first slave left Africa for the Americas, The white slave markets of North Africa had already taken over a million white slaves. The problem was so great the British navy had to be greatly expanded to cope with the slave raids on the coastal villages. It is a sad part of this sorry story which seems to be left out of the history books.

WHITE FRIDAY!

Slavery is stupid when you need to kidnap them from another country because you're a racist.

Be a good master, treat your slaves well, pay them their monthly wage on time and maybe give them a car from the company.

Much love

On that topic, also see: White Gold: The Extraordinary Story of Thomas Pellow and Islam's One Million White Slaves by Giles Milton (2004).

Not a popular topic; Barbary slavery.

Some of it was for ransom, but if you "turned Turk" (converted to Islam), chances of being ransomed back dwindled, and then there were all kinds of rituals to convert you back (basically you had to stand outside a cathedral in your underwear, and do penance).

But the corsairs raided as far as Ireland and Scandinavia.

So I was much amused when DNA tests in the Middle East showed up descent from those places. But they've never been told, that was slave descent.

That's just part of the story, because the Turks also demanded a tribute of sons and daughters from the Christian eastern Europeans, significantly for their army and the harem. Hence the term "slav" or "slave.

But they would eventually have their comeuppance, when they enslaved Americans ...





Yip, at a stage the newly liberated USA was paying up to 20 percent of its gross domestic income to Islamic slavers, as ransom or "protection" money.

Well we can imagine, that wasn't going to last long.

Fascinating on the life of Squanto, a Native American who was taken to Europe, but spent several years in North African slavery.

The astounding thing is that he somehow made it back home.

And everybody wondered why he spoke English, Spanish and Arabic!
en.wikipedia.org...

I can imagine the Pilgrims, ooh we just made it to the New World.
I bet you the "savages" here have never seen something as depressing as us.
Actually the "savage" speaks the language, and he's already seen where you came from.

Considering the Spanish slave trade in the Caribbean (starting with Columbus) one can assume at least some of the thousands of Taino taken survived the journey, and ended up in North Africa too.
An appendum to the "white" slave trade is also the "red" slave trade.

a reply to: halfoldman

Those last few posts are pretty enlightening, who would have guessed. So America put an end the the Barbary slavers. Here's an interesting one on Bristol in England which has just been in the news for drowning a slavers statue , but few realize that Bristol has been a slave center for the past thousand years and more. Its where all the English slaves were sold long before the African slave trade began.

Many other forms too - for example the armies and navies at the time.

Not all those men were willing recruits.

There were press-gangs, and young drunk men could suddenly go missing.
Wakey, wakey - party last night dude?
Ouch my head, why does everything seem so wavey?
Because we are now in the mid-Atlantic, and you are a slave of the Dutch East India Company.

In Portland they actually had trap-doors in the pubs.
Having a cheers - whoops, you've been shanghaied and sold to a navy.

Let's not even talk about Australia, and "convict" labor.
Slavery in effect.

Let's just say the British crown and the naughty US smoked a peace-pipe over it.

The latter barely had a navy, but they had the maneuvers, and the "poms" had the equipment.
The cannons and stuff.

They pounded the coast of Morocco.
They just had enough, and that was that.

As the British still proudly sing in "Rule Britania": "We shall never be slaves".
In fact that song cannot be understood well, unless one considers the jubilant spirit it was written in.
Finally - the corsairs are gone.



And eventually the British navy would stop the slave trade via sea completely.

Ironically enough, the first documented slaves brought into the US weren’t even black.

They were 100 Irish slaves. Irishmen were considered to be no better than dogs. I’m a quarter Irish, I wonder if I’ll get some of that reparations money?

I recall the Schiller play Kabale und Liebe from German 101.

It mentions one duke who sold thousands of his peasants to America.

OK, most of the "Hessians" were sold to the British army during the War of Independence.
But still, they were sold for money, and became property, and that's slavery.

In fact, isn't the notion of "conscription" slavery too?

You become property of the state.

White slavery has been around since beginning of the white man, just like ALL colored people, including WHITEY.

Slavery does not recognize skin color.



a reply to: anonentity

SOoooo......does that mean that the black population can no longer use

slavery to promote 'white guilt'?

a reply to: anonentity

Why does everyone believe this crap that people were enslaved
because of racism. If the people of Africa were brown instead of
black. How much difference would it have made to the slave market?
Or slave owners? The people of Africa and Native Americans were
both treated horribly for one reason only. The civilized world saw
them as savages first. No matter what skin color they had.

a reply to: carsforkids

Well, let's take it back to Rome.

They were completely equal opportunity slavers.
Whether you were a "barbarian" from the thickest forest, or the hottest sand dunes ...

The whole operation ran on slavery.
And there were classes of slaves, I mean even some slaves had slaves.
Disobedient sons might even find themselves enslaved.

When Rome became Christian, it started to scratch the consciousness of some: "Not Angles, but Angels", remarked Pope Gregory after viewing children on the slave market following a recent campaign against the Angles.

carsforkids -
Not all Europeans thought the Native Americans were savage. When Jacques Marquette explored the Great Lakes area, he was impressed by the hospitality of the natives and how close their beliefs were to Christianity. The further south early explorers traveled, the more "savage" and "pagan" the natives became.

a reply to: carsforkids

If your psyching yourself to do something nasty to someone, you have to dehumanize them first. Or it just doesn't work well, or it gets messy and complicated, that's what propaganda is for. The problem is that eighty per cent of the population fall for it.

a reply to: eletheia']

Guilt is a subjective emotion, most people of any race are pretty ok. But its human nature to use something to your advantage if its usable.

a reply to: carsforkids

that may have been the case in the beginning , however through European exceptionalism and with the creation of darwins origin of the species there were those who decided to use this information to change the face of slavery
they were no longer savage humans , they were sub humans and used fallacy to promote their hateful ideologies , and was justification for increased enslavement and mistreatment of large populations of Africans and others over the globe

a reply to: halfoldman

Early on in Israel if people became poor in the community they
could sell themselves in to servitude to those who were well off.

It was a different form of slavery practiced to help the community
thrive. The poor weren't neglected nor did they become a burden.

And when the opportunity to prosper presented itself again. If there
was no debt the poor were allowed to return their own lives.

So as we know slaves in the south often loved their owners. Some
even left with broken hearts as they were very close families.

Slavery wasn't always an evil.

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Not all Europeans thought the Native Americans were savage

Many were more intelligent thinking people who rejected group think.
Absolutely.