Whose World is This?

a reply to: scraedtosleep

I'd venture that it's because we've been deceived by tricksters and thieves.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: rickymouse

Nobody owns the land

Then why do I have to pay land taxes to the government for as long as I live on this land?

Don't pay the taxes and see how long you will be able to use the land. The government does not really own the land But they have BSed people to believe they do. We are programmed to believe in things that are not real. Who gave the land to the US government....they just took it and said it was theirs. I never saw a legal document where Mother Earth signed over land to the US government. But don't worry, within the next twenty years mother earth will eradicate the leaches that are destroying her. Using mostly the tiniest forms of life on the planet for her armies. The strange thing is that man is going to mutate these microbes that will dill off a majority of mankind.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: rickymouse

Nobody owns the land

Then why do I have to pay land taxes to the government for as long as I live on this land?

Because the government knows they own you.

a reply to: zosimov

One of the critical hubs of the technocratic take over is maintaining the aspects of civilization that allow those with power to exert their will on the population. Centralized dependency in the form of everything from food to medicine to information.

As technology advanced in the last decades, it actually became feasible for the general population to eschew these control mechanisms while also building an entirely new paradigm that makes these technofascists obsolete.

Enter: Global agendas, such as Agenda 21, which are designed to not only be perpetual funding machines.. but also actively prevent the distribution and adoption of such technologies and processes. "They" are the ones that will handle poverty, hunger, etc. All you gotta do is give them your money and feel good about it. Anyone that questions it clearly wants people to starve!

Now, we are entering a time where these points of leverage are not merely to be used for profit, but for extending total and complete control of quite literally everything.

The media is complicit, universities are complicit, politicians, corporations, and the medical establishment are complicit. Food, power, & manufacturing dependency will be used against us to ensure compliance, among other things.

We absolutely must remove these points of leverage and control. And, by doing so, it also directly addresses many of the issues that are the primary factors at the very foundation of what many "social justice" types believe they are fighting to address. While also tackling many of the issues the other "side" claims to want to address, like manufacturing.

Being dependent on the very corporations and politicians that wish to enact all this is a recipe for the destruction of not just western ideals, but the world as we know it.

At a certain point, actual conflict becomes inevitable. Its at that point, imo, where hope for positive change becomes.. difficult. The information channels will just spin it whatever way benefits the technocrats the most, and many will buy into their marketing (as they have been for years).

Achieve self-sufficiency in your homes. Food (aquaponics, ~100sqft per person), power (solar/wind/hydro for now), manufacturing (3d printing/CNC combo platforms, with a push for sintered metal printing).

These things not only remove leverage, they start to work towards a world where we can actually address so many of these issues that have been hijacked for profit & control by the corporate-political system.

originally posted by: Serdgiam
a reply to: zosimov

We absolutely must remove these points of leverage and control. And, by doing so, it also directly addresses many of the issues that are the primary factors at the very foundation of what many "social justice" types believe they are fighting to address. While also tackling many of the issues the other "side" claims to want to address, like manufacturing.

Being dependent on the very corporations and politicians that wish to enact all this is a recipe for the destruction of not just western ideals, but the world as we know it.

At a certain point, actual conflict becomes inevitable. Its at that point, imo, where hope for positive change becomes.. difficult. The information channels will just spin it whatever way benefits the technocrats the most, and many will buy into their marketing (as they have been for years).

Achieve self-sufficiency in your homes. Food (aquaponics, ~100sqft per person), power (solar/wind/hydro for now), manufacturing (3d printing/CNC combo platforms, with a push for sintered metal printing).

These things not only remove leverage, they start to work towards a world where we can actually address so many of these issues that have been hijacked for profit & control by the corporate-political system.

YES! A huge round of applause, my friend!

You know, you keep saying these things yet here we all are.

a reply to: GBP/JPY

a reply to: zosimov

I'm afraid that I also agree with Skid Mark on this also.

I guess the movie Avatar(2009) isn't available on youtube (Steven Mnuchin still making bank off it), but:

Jake Sully : [as Jake pleads for Eywa's help in attacking the "Sky People"] If Grace is there with you - look in her memories - she can show you the world we come from. There's no green there. They killed their Mother, and they're gonna do the same here. More Sky People are gonna come. They're gonna come like a rain that never ends. Unless we stop them. They chose me for something. I will stand and fight. You know I will. But I need a little help here.

Neytiri : Our great mother does not take sides, Jake; she protects the balance of life.

Jake Sully : It was worth a try.
www.imdb.com...

I highlighted the More Sky People are gonna come for a purpose.

The human population upon Earth has tripled since I was born.

A tremendous change occurred with the industrial revolution: whereas it had taken all of human history until around 1800 for world population to reach one billion, the second billion was achieved in only 130 years (1930), the third billion in 30 years (1960), the fourth billion in 15 years (1974), and the fifth billion in only 13 years (1987).
World Population Clock

You can watch it counting up in real time.

We didn't adapt properly to the agricultural revolution. More mouths means more food needed, more food needed, more workers needed. More workers, more mouths, etc.

Merchant class + Industrial Revolution = Market based economy
More consumers needed for more demand. More workers needed for more production. Workers are consumers. No need for population control. Profits aren't profits unless they go up, up, up Dow Jones Industrial Average. Must go up, up, up or else.

Sustainability is not increasing profits. Rip resources from Earth. Profit.

Market based economy is the death of humanity. Plain and simple.

a reply to: zosimov

For $2-3k per household, we can essentially stall all this in its tracks and build a platform to ameliorate so many issues beyond that.

For $10-$15k per household, we essentially look at a strong foundation for actual, perpetual self-sufficiency (albeit with some compromises).

Those are both pretty big chunks of change, but as a society, how much have we spent over the decades on trying to address just one thing like hunger? And what is the cost of continuing down this current course of "supremacy through dependency?"

And, thats all just with off-the-shelf parts/systems that folks can build here and now. If larger groups, businesses, influential individuals, and organizations would actually start making moves in this direction.. It changes pretty dramatically. Particularly due to the fact that a lot of it can be self-proliferating from single "nodes." All of a sudden, each home can manufacture a great variety of the parts that build more systems. Advances/innovations can be shared and adopted through easily shareable files for the additive & subtractive manufacturing (3d printing & CNC), so each subsequent iteration can improve.

a reply to: pthena

I'd have no way to prove my theory, but I do believe there is more than enough to sustain the life on this planet. But greed (the market) does drive many to hoarde more than enough to the detriment of others.

I really loved the story you told on the ATS Tulpa thread about the difference between coyote and man. If we were a bit more like the coyote in your story, we'd all have enough I'd guess.

I mean just imagine the world ant population. And somehow the world remains relatively unchanged by their presence.

With a paradigm shift, anything is possible!!

a reply to: zosimov

If you like Coyote, here is a link to another story thread title: Skull and Bones...a Merchant Thread by Kantzveldt

A major difference between coyotes and wolves is in their relationship to their prey and competing predators. Coyotes kill to eat. Wolves kill all prey in their inner territory (kind of scorched earth) as a way of preventing other predators of thinking of their inner territory as a good place to hunt.

Coyotes rarely kill competing predators, choosing rather to attempt to chase away, or move their homes in the event they are unsuccessful. Wolves just kill their competition, including other wolf packs.

I mean just imagine the world ant population. And somehow the world remains relatively unchanged by their presence.

Ants do not strip mine; neither do they pump hydrocarbons from the Earth (sequestered from biosphere) to burn, thus adding CO2 to the biosphere.

Ants are not humans. Humans are not ants.

a reply to: pthena

Humans do indeed burn, but neither me not mine do any strip mining.
Most of those I know are not in the business of strip mining either. It's not an inate tendency, and I do believe that a paradigm shift could eradicate that tendency in certain greedy humans.
So what is inate in humanity?
I wouldn't want to give up fire in any case; though I do believe we could vastly decrease that which we burn.

PS Interesting link!!
I'd say that in our current state we more closely resemble the wolves than the coyotes (as a whole--many coyotes out there too).
#Coyotegoals lol I hate hashtags, but something prompted me to write that.

a reply to: zosimov

I'm glad you fixed it. Now I don't have to say: "I heard you the first time."
Double post, amirite?

I was subtly injecting the topic of AGW. "(sequestered from biosphere)".
Burning isn't a problem in itself. What is burned becomes the issue. The Coal and oil buried in the Earth is sequestered, removed from the cycles of the biosphere. Placing what was removed back in to the cycle is a human terraforming project. But the terraformed Earth is not conducive to human life, it is more akin to pre-human life.

Whether I burn oil or not, others do. We live in the same biosphere.
Whether you or any one you know strip mines; you live in the same biosphere.

AGW causes draught. Less arable land. Less farm crops.

I don't burn down rain forests, yet I eat food containing palm oil from Indonesia. I eat beef from former Amazon rain forest. We all live in the same merchant system, the same biosphere.

I wear a mask around people. Not everyone does. My daughter goes to bars still. She has my granddaughter half the time. Half the time my granddaughter is with her dad and me at his home. (I rent a room from him). I could end up in a reused body bag in a refrigerated trailer. Isn't that a chilling image!

Actions of others effect you and me whether we approve of those actions or not. That is part of the human condition. We be social animals.

a reply to: pthena

I completely agree. Thank God for men and women such as Jadav Payeng (forest man) to throw a bit of counterbalance into the whole.

video.nationalgeographic.com...

We are all part of one crazy whole!

(Oh man I'm sorry you have the added stress of your daughter's choices to deal with. There are so many things to worry about right now, and I really do see your point)

ETA: At 12 minutes in, he talks about how difficult it's been to protect his trees once they grow big. "The biggest threat is man."

Grrrr

It's a complicated issue, I'll give you that.

Eta again
Then he says man is the biggest monster on earth. That he consumes everything. (Yet this man alone has replanted a forest. There are others too like him who are also "man" and who devote their lives to building hospitals, gardens, reserves where all species but man are welcome to habitate).

Haha even though I'm confused now, I think it's enough to show that a wide spectrum of types represent mankind.

a reply to: zosimov

Haha even though I'm confused now, I think it's enough to show that a wide spectrum of types represent mankind.

There's an old saying that I just made up:

A wise man says: You have to see both sides of the issue.
A wiser man asks: What about all the other sides?

I'm going to watch the video now. I had to write that old saying down fast before I forgot it.

a reply to: pthena

I love our discussions.

a reply to: zosimov
Biblicaly this present word is run by the devil, just look around man's inhumanity towards man is a fine example of who owns this present age.

a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

I, too, subscribe to this belief.

ETA: There is a subtle difference, however between who runs and who owns the world. In my opinion.

My good friend, Barry, has always maintained that he now owns this world. He claimed that he once gambled for rightful ownership in a Gala casino in Leicester versus a nimble fingered American fellow who staked his ownership on his own misplaced arrogance. Weirdly Barry got lucky! It's a crazy story but I completely believe him.

a reply to: Lysergic
your the one making the choices. Just choose to not be tracked. I do rather enjoy the nightly flyover by a small bi plane from different directions now. No other plane takes that route directly over my house under the ceiling a drone would fly at. Started when I stopped traveling with my mobile device. Must be a pathetic attempt to intercept a signal or something.

Must be getting harder to know what I am thinking 24/7 without any signal to auto record from every connected device in my home. The reason I rarely post is because I rarely even carry that tracking device to any nearby hotspots.

My physical address has been disconnected for well over a year now. I honestly recommend as many people to do the same, and limit their internet to mobile devices which can easily be disconnected with the removal of the SIM card. Of course anyone who is an online gamer has made the choice and their fine with it.

I enjoy my privacy though, knowing that I can speak freely and it is not automatically recorded to be utilized as leverage by Chinese or American spooks attempting to subvert sensitive targets by compromising conveniently located individuals in positions where they can carry put an objective, like shutting down production for fear of a severe cold, or forcing mandates against a population against them when the science objects to those mandates even being actually practical as a solution to the benign illness they are making everyone into a hypochondriac over.