Former third party voter and longtime lurker on ATS voting for Trump!

a reply to: chr0naut

It’s not that Obama “ did some wrong things”... that’s like “ some people did something “.....

Noooo he is a scoundrel through and through. The minute he said he wanted sex Ed for kindergarteners I knew he was on the wrong side !!!!! No matter how polished his face mask apoears... he is one who hates the country he was President of. It is hideously monstrously treachery of the utmost.

Speaking to the point of "nationalism", it is the argument of communists.....

Proletarian internationalism, sometimes referred to as international socialism, is the perception of all communist revolutions as being part of a single global class struggle rather than separate localized events.[1][2] It is based on the theory that capitalism is a world-system and therefore the working classes of all nations must act in concert if they are to replace it with communism.[3] Proponents of proletarian internationalism often argued that the objectives of a given revolution should be global rather than local in scope—for example, triggering or perpetuating revolutions elsewhere.[1]

en.wikipedia.org...


It was an argument between International Socialists of Communism and the National Socialism of Nazi Germany. Both are socialist and totalitarian.

Globalism is often clad in free trade garb but in fact there is a hindrance of free trade with globalism. Globalism, through its attempt to erase national borders (and identities), applies a broad economic brush to varying problems and economic conditions of differing regions and as a result fails by definition. Globalism tends to exacerbate economic problems rather than fixing them, and hinders free trade by distorting market responses.

Globalism initiates with talk of open borders and free trade but inevitably leads to concentrated government and centralized planning. If you believe this not to be true, look no further than Brussels – the hub of the European Union – and its convoluted financial responses. Brussels is internally conflicted by its member nations – engaging in alternating interest rate policies, stifling regulations, taxes that are strikingly high, redistributionist policies that are ineffectively coupled with austerity measures – all while market forces are constrained through the single currency implementation of the Euro.

themarketswork.com...

Globalism and Open Borders is the Socialist One World Government/New World Order of which Soros is the biggest proponent. Antony Sutton said that the NWO is neither right nor left but a synthesis of the conflict of opposing forces in the Hegelian Dialectic.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Paul911GT3
a reply to: chr0naut
The numbers are tiny in comparison but you keep tooting that sickle commie boy
The difference is convicted criminals in the 100’s compared to a genocide
Keep digging your hole

Are you aware that there are only 55 countries left in the world that even have capital punishment anymore? America is one of them.

Capital punishment in the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The world is bigger and has far more variety and novelty than being either; entirely the US, or entirely China. There are, like, 195 countries by the usual reckoning!

Capital punishment is only for people committing extremely heinous crimes, you know like Ted Dahmer and so on.

That's what China says, too.

It actually gives the soul a chance to reincarnate again immediately and take karmic responsibility instead of hanging around in a prison cell for decades.

I don't believe in reincarnation. The traditional view is that the evil doer, when they die, goes to hell and torment.

As opposed to Tianneman Square, abortion of female babies for population control and so on. Sounds like you really prefer a totalitarian controlled society rather than one based on free enterprise and self-actualization.

The abortion of babies for convenience, as occurs now in the US, is so much more 'civilized'.

There you go, making wild assumptions and then damning others for your erroneous conclusions. All extremists seem to do that. Have you noticed all those right wing propagandist sites that over and over tell you what their opponents think all the time? Exactly the same thing. The stupid convincing only the stupid.

That’s your traditional thinking.

That is what I said, except that it is more than just my personal view. It is the view of the majority in the US.

I don’t subscribe to having one life and going to heaven or hell or even nowhere. I’m not an atheist and I’m not a humanist and I’m not a fundamentalist. Hundreds of millions of people on this planet believe in reincarnation.

As I explained, I am not one of them.

Just because there are billions of flies, does not mean any human should eat feces.

Abortion of babies is not “civilized” anywhere in the planet.

I thorougly agree.

However, abortions are now occurring in the US (623,471 of them in 2016, for example), many for reasons of mere convenience to the mother, and this appears to be socially accepted. This is in that country that is supposed to be far beyond reproach!

How can anyone reasonable deny that situation and not speak out against the attitudes of the country where it is being perpetrated and accepted?

But what I am saying is in your posts you give China a pass. How can I take you seriously ? Nationalism it’s ok for China I guess or maybe Stalinist Russia?

I was pointing out that it isn't all about either the US or China. I was not giving China a pass on anything. Nor was I giving the US a pass on anything. Please re-read what I said in the post to which you originally replied in this thread. I was saying that it was bigger than an either/or situation in the world. I am not a citizen of either China or the US. I wasn't waving the flag for either.

One thing I know is that you are not Trevor Loudon.

No, I am an Australian with centrist political views.

How typical of you to accuse me of being an extremist because I am patriotic and don’t accept totalitarian regimes in China or elsewhere. It’s a typical ploy of people who have progressive tendencies.

How typical of a nationalist to try and denounce someone from another country by rules of 'patriotism', which cannot possibly apply to a foreigner, and to assume that 'home country' always = 'good'.

In a way, the accusation of someone being 'unpatriotic' is a clear indication of an acceptance of a totalitarian empiricism - Think in the way the authorities want you to, or be ostracised and publicly condemmned.

I have a hunch that the "independent voters", the likes of which were supporting Unkle Bernie in '16, or voted Green/Libertarian in the same election, are going to either consciously or subconsciously work through some of the same political calculus that the OP walks through in the opening of the thread.

My suspicion is that the shenanigans that have been popping up here and there across the US in 2020, like sparks in a brush fire that quickly erupt into raging infernos, will influence the minds of voters in November.

We are witnessing polarization of the electorate the likes of which, at least in my personal experience and from my generation's perspective (Gen X), haven't been encountered in our lifetime. Older members can I imagine tell a lot of anecdotes about the '60s, in a similar light.

I'll leave it at this: when as an independent voter, one side of the political fence immediately lumps you in with the other side, //across the board on ALL ISSUES//, just because you don't agree with their political positions on a small number of issues, then it is reflexive and human nature to move away from those that are already pushing you away.

For example, when I had a disagreement with one person about the appropriateness of protesting during the National Anthem at sporting events, and I'm taunted with "...but MAGA, right dood!?!". .... Makes me want to cheat off their voting ballot, right? Not really. As someone that didn't vote for Trump, and doesn't particularly like his persona, but agrees with some of his policies, seems like a really great way for Trump's opponents to win me over to their way of thinking, by a knee-jerk reaction of lumping in with quote-unquote "Trump's base".

It wouldn't shock, after the entirely unpredictable outcome of 2016, for Biden to win; not when the entire WORLD predicted Hillary had the election in the bag. That said, I have a sneaking suspicion that the brow beating, the scolding, the soap box diatribes, the labeling, the preaching, the "-ism this" and "-ism that", the woke-ness, are going to drive a large number of independents to vote for Trump in November, almost out of a morbid curiosity to find out what it does the fragile psyches of the Sky Screamers and the Never Trump Resistance.

I am entirely undecided, legitimately 'on the fence' now. I thought I had my mind made up, before COVID, before the rioting, before CHAZ/CHOP, to vote Libertarian again this year, but you never know; there's still time left to be persuaded (or insulted enough) to flip my vote.

originally posted by: SleeperHasAwakened
That said, I have a sneaking suspicion that the brow beating, the scolding, the soap box diatribes, the labeling, the preaching, the "-ism this" and "-ism that", the woke-ness, are going to drive a large number of independents to vote for Trump in November, almost out of a morbid curiosity to find out what it does the fragile psyches of the Sky Screamers and the Never Trump Resistance.

Not out of curiosity, they'll do it out of spite. Even I'm leaning toward considering voting for Trump out of pure good old fashioned spite aimed squarely at these mouthy dips#s. Want to swing me from Johnson? Because that'd be about the only way to swing me from Johnson.

I'm so sick of this self-centered, entitled, jackboot crap that I'm opening up to that possibility. It'd irk 'em big-time, and Schadenfreude for me and alla that, but at the end of the day, it's already rooting itself in spitefulness.

a reply to: chr0naut
Keep it up
You are the best endorsement trump has going

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Paul911GT3
a reply to: chr0naut
The numbers are tiny in comparison but you keep tooting that sickle commie boy
The difference is convicted criminals in the 100’s compared to a genocide
Keep digging your hole

Are you aware that there are only 55 countries left in the world that even have capital punishment anymore? America is one of them.

Capital punishment in the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The world is bigger and has far more variety and novelty than being either; entirely the US, or entirely China. There are, like, 195 countries by the usual reckoning!

Capital punishment is only for people committing extremely heinous crimes, you know like Ted Dahmer and so on.

That's what China says, too.

It actually gives the soul a chance to reincarnate again immediately and take karmic responsibility instead of hanging around in a prison cell for decades.

I don't believe in reincarnation. The traditional view is that the evil doer, when they die, goes to hell and torment.

As opposed to Tianneman Square, abortion of female babies for population control and so on. Sounds like you really prefer a totalitarian controlled society rather than one based on free enterprise and self-actualization.

The abortion of babies for convenience, as occurs now in the US, is so much more 'civilized'.

There you go, making wild assumptions and then damning others for your erroneous conclusions. All extremists seem to do that. Have you noticed all those right wing propagandist sites that over and over tell you what their opponents think all the time? Exactly the same thing. The stupid convincing only the stupid.

That’s your traditional thinking.

That is what I said, except that it is more than just my personal view. It is the view of the majority in the US.

I don’t subscribe to having one life and going to heaven or hell or even nowhere. I’m not an atheist and I’m not a humanist and I’m not a fundamentalist. Hundreds of millions of people on this planet believe in reincarnation.

As I explained, I am not one of them.

Just because there are billions of flies, does not mean any human should eat feces.

Abortion of babies is not “civilized” anywhere in the planet.

I thorougly agree.

However, abortions are now occurring in the US (623,471 of them in 2016, for example), many for reasons of mere convenience to the mother, and this appears to be socially accepted. This is in that country that is supposed to be far beyond reproach!

How can anyone reasonable deny that situation and not speak out against the attitudes of the country where it is being perpetrated and accepted?

But what I am saying is in your posts you give China a pass. How can I take you seriously ? Nationalism it’s ok for China I guess or maybe Stalinist Russia?

I was pointing out that it isn't all about either the US or China. I was not giving China a pass on anything. Nor was I giving the US a pass on anything. Please re-read what I said in the post to which you originally replied in this thread. I was saying that it was bigger than an either/or situation in the world. I am not a citizen of either China or the US. I wasn't waving the flag for either.

One thing I know is that you are not Trevor Loudon.

No, I am an Australian with centrist political views.

How typical of you to accuse me of being an extremist because I am patriotic and don’t accept totalitarian regimes in China or elsewhere. It’s a typical ploy of people who have progressive tendencies.

How typical of a nationalist to try and denounce someone from another country by rules of 'patriotism', which cannot possibly apply to a foreigner, and to assume that 'home country' always = 'good'.

In a way, the accusation of someone being 'unpatriotic' is a clear indication of an acceptance of a totalitarian empiricism - Think in the way the authorities want you to, or be ostracised and publicly condemmned.

I have quite a bit to say about your post, but it’s late. First comparing the US to Communist China is outrageous. And I noticed you doubled down on your shaming tactic of calling me the dreaded “ nationalist” right after I just exposed the communist Internationalist Globalist Agenda. Great job outing yourself.
Let’s talk about the One Child policy which was a totalitarian government forced policy. The purpose of abortion on a global scale is depopulation. I’m
Not a progressive so you’re NOT going to stick me with that. If you actually cared about abortion, it is quite likely that you would not be taking such an accusatory time with me, it’s just straight up anti Americanism. Oh by the way his is Melbourne these days. Are you proud of the lockdown? I actually have a coworker who had to get to the border before midnight before the border closed....
enjoy your lockdown brother.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Paul911GT3
a reply to: chr0naut
The numbers are tiny in comparison but you keep tooting that sickle commie boy
The difference is convicted criminals in the 100’s compared to a genocide
Keep digging your hole

Are you aware that there are only 55 countries left in the world that even have capital punishment anymore? America is one of them.

Capital punishment in the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The world is bigger and has far more variety and novelty than being either; entirely the US, or entirely China. There are, like, 195 countries by the usual reckoning!

Capital punishment is only for people committing extremely heinous crimes, you know like Ted Dahmer and so on.

That's what China says, too.

It actually gives the soul a chance to reincarnate again immediately and take karmic responsibility instead of hanging around in a prison cell for decades.

I don't believe in reincarnation. The traditional view is that the evil doer, when they die, goes to hell and torment.

As opposed to Tianneman Square, abortion of female babies for population control and so on. Sounds like you really prefer a totalitarian controlled society rather than one based on free enterprise and self-actualization.

The abortion of babies for convenience, as occurs now in the US, is so much more 'civilized'.

There you go, making wild assumptions and then damning others for your erroneous conclusions. All extremists seem to do that. Have you noticed all those right wing propagandist sites that over and over tell you what their opponents think all the time? Exactly the same thing. The stupid convincing only the stupid.

That’s your traditional thinking.

That is what I said, except that it is more than just my personal view. It is the view of the majority in the US.

I don’t subscribe to having one life and going to heaven or hell or even nowhere. I’m not an atheist and I’m not a humanist and I’m not a fundamentalist. Hundreds of millions of people on this planet believe in reincarnation.

As I explained, I am not one of them.

Just because there are billions of flies, does not mean any human should eat feces.

Abortion of babies is not “civilized” anywhere in the planet.

I thorougly agree.

However, abortions are now occurring in the US (623,471 of them in 2016, for example), many for reasons of mere convenience to the mother, and this appears to be socially accepted. This is in that country that is supposed to be far beyond reproach!

How can anyone reasonable deny that situation and not speak out against the attitudes of the country where it is being perpetrated and accepted?

But what I am saying is in your posts you give China a pass. How can I take you seriously ? Nationalism it’s ok for China I guess or maybe Stalinist Russia?

I was pointing out that it isn't all about either the US or China. I was not giving China a pass on anything. Nor was I giving the US a pass on anything. Please re-read what I said in the post to which you originally replied in this thread. I was saying that it was bigger than an either/or situation in the world. I am not a citizen of either China or the US. I wasn't waving the flag for either.

One thing I know is that you are not Trevor Loudon.

No, I am an Australian with centrist political views.

How typical of you to accuse me of being an extremist because I am patriotic and don’t accept totalitarian regimes in China or elsewhere. It’s a typical ploy of people who have progressive tendencies.

How typical of a nationalist to try and denounce someone from another country by rules of 'patriotism', which cannot possibly apply to a foreigner, and to assume that 'home country' always = 'good'.

In a way, the accusation of someone being 'unpatriotic' is a clear indication of an acceptance of a totalitarian empiricism - Think in the way the authorities want you to, or be ostracised and publicly condemmned.

I have quite a bit to say about your post, but it’s late. First comparing the US to Communist China is outrageous.

Yes, but you keep comparing China to the US, too. "Sauce for the goose" and all that...

And I noticed you doubled down on your shaming tactic of calling me the dreaded “ nationalist” right after I just exposed the communist Internationalist Globalist Agenda. Great job outing yourself.

Well you did mention being patriotic - and to someone from another country. Has the penny dropped that patriotism and nationalism somehow might closely relate? LOL.

Let’s talk about the One Child policy which was a totalitarian government forced policy. The purpose of abortion on a global scale is depopulation.

Are you aware that China also has now gone the other way, and they are now offering inducements for couples to have more children. It's a funny old world, eh.

Beijing’s one-child policy is gone. But many Chinese are still reluctant to have more. - The Washington Times

I’m not a progressive so you’re NOT going to stick me with that.

Really, you aren't? That totally derails my line of argument!

If you actually cared about abortion, it is quite likely that you would not be taking such an accusatory time with me, it’s just straight up anti Americanism.

Umm, Im not American. Just... not!

Oh by the way his is Melbourne these days. Are you proud of the lockdown? I actually have a coworker who had to get to the border before midnight before the border closed....
enjoy your lockdown brother.

The whole of Australia has had 126 deaths from COVID-19, despite the new cases happening in Melbourne. In comparison, I think that perhaps 140,000 dead in the US seems like you guys aren't even trying.

And, just to put this topic back on track, it isn't about China. Can you guess what it's about, from the title?

a reply to: chr0naut


What a waste of time. Yes I am patriotic. I love my country. I haven’t fallen for all that communist NWO International $)@&! You know what else, those who are the Internationalists, the globalists do not care about you or anybody else, you see they make money off of betraying national sovereignty. That’s what they do, and you think you are cool to agree with their treachery. Antony Sutton wrote extensively how the International Bankers bankrolled the Bolshevik Revolution and also the Nazis. It’s some kind of cognitive dissonance or something that you talked earlier about your own country’s sovereignty and the next minute you calling me a nationalist like it’s the Ebola plague. Which side you on buddy? Is the UN your savior? I think you are talking out both sides of your mouth here. Also, I suggest you get a clue that the globalists do whatever they want with or without the consent of the governed. You would do well to take note instead of hating America because you think Americans are terrible people. Let’s take your liberal concept of not being patriotic and not loving your own country. Let’s take that thought down to the level of the nuclear family( which Marxists intend to abolish anyway) and see how that works. Say your little family is having movie night around the home theater tv and a robber breaks in and holds your family hostage. Do you say I don’t love my family first, gosh why don’t I just give everything in my home to this robber and say my family doesn’t come first. What kind person says that? Think about it. Well Marxism is against the nuclear family and against private property.
It wouldn’t hurt you to read some real books on the subject instead of parroting the liberal media. I already listed 3 books by Antony Sutton who published many books. Just google the name and you will see.
As for the original poster, I did respond to him and in fact have a high regard for the amount of research and personal experience he posted.

a reply to: chr0naut

Are you aware that China also has now gone the other way, and they are now offering inducements for couples to have more children. It's a funny old world, eh.

Oh and that suddenly means communist China is a nice good nanny state? First, the depopulation agenda has created this problem and now they have to fix it. Japan also has a similar situation, where there are not enough young people to replace the aging population. I read about that years ago in a university course. It was a course about how technology impacts society and we looked at things like this and the genome sequencing project.

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: chr0naut

Godly is never wicked. If you allow yourself to believe wicked men
can't be part of a church. And thereby enable this kind of skewed
thinking? God is not wicked and therefore nothing Godly or of Heaven
is wicked.

This whole world is designed to gear your mind in just this
way of downhill thinking.

History is full of the Godly wicked.

If anyone be wicked they can not be of God.

Ultimately the wickedness has one purpose.
To destroy every bit of Gods creation right down
to every last human soul. That's all what everything
that happens on earth every day even in Gods own modern
day hiatus from this world.

Everything happening on Earth is necessary for Gods purpose
to be fulfilled. I'm just glad I was honored with being a part of
it. I often see the big part of hate for Trump is simply because
of his references to God and Jesus Christ.

Or the "You know the thing", that Biden can't even let stumble
out of his mouth correctly. Not everyone understands little
things like that if not ignored. There is great meaning in them.

Anyway I'll concede you don't hate America. Only because you
allowed yourself to be consumed in hate for a man you didn't
even notice until he ran for President, beat the odds and hasn't
been allowed to do a better job than he's managed by tooth nail.

You never give him credit and you seem unaware of the idea
of giving someone a fair shot. When did the world become a place
where a man wants to try and do something. And he's told nope we
hate you and you're to stupid to do it. Get out of here go away NFW?

The only time it happens is when fear and/or jealousy are involved.
And frankly it's reminiscent of the typical third grade school yard crap
most kids grow out of before middle school. Turns my stomach to
see it return in so called adults that are elected no less. I just don't
understand how you or anyone could hang on that band wagon for
one second in good conscience.

I'm not reading through that religious garbage. I respect your right to your faith, and would die fighting for your right to practice it. However your shutting down a viewpoint based on your faith and embracing ignorance.

"You never give him credit and you seem unaware of the idea
of giving someone a fair shot. When did the world become a place
where a man wants to try and do something. And he's told nope we
hate you and you're to stupid to do it. Get out of here go away NFW?"

"Give him a fair shot" What the # are you talking about, the guy can't string together sentences and completely losing the thread, live and on stage. He is running for President, not a mayoral election man.

"Or the "You know the thing", that Biden can't even let stumble
out of his mouth correctly. Not everyone understands little
things like that if not ignored. There is great meaning in them." Are you trying to say that he is an elaborate point that he's choosing not share, over and over again in every interview as opposed to a cognitive decline?

I genuinely can't tell.

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown
a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Sunday 18th July

then that would explain why my comment was removed then, lol thread drift

and looking at the S+F dont think i was wrong, i did not even mention trump

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originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: MultiversalSoul

You think that with an entire planet to plunder, that China would go for the US? Possibly the hardest target of them all?

Paranoia.

America is expansionist too.

Do you think that they had some reason or right in Korea? Vietnam? Afganistan? Africa? The Pacific Islands?

Face it, they are all as bad as each other.

Here is what you are obviously missing.

The US is the only thing standing in the way of China's complete domination. How you are missing that is beyond me.

Of course their number one goal is to tear us down. They are making no secret of their desire to do so either. Can they attack us head on - of course not - that is why they made a 50 year plan to pass us economically - and Joe Biden will be happy to aid them in their goal.

a reply to: MultiversalSoul

I just feel a need to respond to you about global warming.

It is in no way a big threat. Why, because what can realistically economically be done to curtail it - for the most part - is already being done. If it presented itself as a larger threat -more would be done.

In the US our carbon emissions are reducing every year and will continue to do so.

If you believe the models (why would you - they have never been right - and you have just seen how great the experts modeled covid) The US could reduce emissions to zero and it would not change anything if China and India and the rest do nothing - and for at least China we know they will do nothing. The US cannot force the communists to do anything they don't want to do.

But there is nothing to be scared of - we already have the tech to fix the problem - electric cars will be the standard within 5 years. Nuclear energy is safe and can produce energy with nearly zero emissions. Solar as well, but it can not scale to a large portion of our energy usage.

Many different forms of carbon scrubbing tech is being implemented already.

Bottom line is this - if humanity sees a problem and has time to fix it - they always do. We are well on the way to fixing the issue - even though I think it's severity is way way overblown.

I highly recommend you read michael shellenberger's new book Apocalypse Never. He was once a environmental alarmist but is no longer.

originally posted by: proximo

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: MultiversalSoul

You think that with an entire planet to plunder, that China would go for the US? Possibly the hardest target of them all?

Paranoia.

America is expansionist too.

Do you think that they had some reason or right in Korea? Vietnam? Afganistan? Africa? The Pacific Islands?

Face it, they are all as bad as each other.

Here is what you are obviously missing.

The US is the only thing standing in the way of China's complete domination. How you are missing that is beyond me.

Of course their number one goal is to tear us down. They are making no secret of their desire to do so either. Can they attack us head on - of course not - that is why they made a 50 year plan to pass us economically - and Joe Biden will be happy to aid them in their goal.

There are a great many countries, not defended by the US, that would be easily accessible to China, and that are not, and have not been, under threat. Countries like those surrounding the South China Sea. Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Cambodia, and Singapore.

Many of those have historically had competitive claims over the islands between them, yet resolutely, they remain sovereign countries.