Former third party voter and longtime lurker on ATS voting for Trump!

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: chr0naut

He is in a position of great responsibility and is not being responsible.

That is nothing more than an opinion that respectively could only
hope to find consideration as an item in a long list of considered
items for reaching a conclusion of fair judgement.

No, Trump is megalomaniacal, narcissistic, self-centered, arrogant, and carries the 'nuclear football'.

Wow! For the life of me, just not see'n it.

That really doesn't reflect badly on Trump.

LOL

And if two people are this far apart in what reality is painting
in the world we share? Then to me one of us must have some
serious issues.

'I don't take responsibility at all': Trump deflects blame for coronavirus testing fumble - Politico

a reply to: chr0naut
The big difference between China and the US is that China kills so many of its own people it doesn’t have to mess with other countries sovereignty. The number is 40,000,000 to 100,000,000 people but go ahead toot that sickle.

a reply to: chr0naut

Well how is he responsible when the previous administration failed
to do anything after for going the experience of what a virus could do
to devastate this country? They put no guide lines in place and made no
preparations at all after gaining experience vital to the survival of any
nation. No learning from experience and handing it down right?

Nope just let the next administration wonder in and get blind sided at
the cost of who knows how many innocent lives. Right? Trump is perfectly
accurate pointing to the do less absolutely dufuss previous administration.

What keeps you from seeing that?

originally posted by: Paul911GT3
a reply to: chr0naut
The big difference between China and the US is that China kills so many of its own people it doesn’t have to mess with other countries sovereignty. The number is 40,000,000 to 100,000,000 people but go ahead toot that sickle.

While it is true that China has a horrible record of human rights abuses and capital punishment, at least you can take comfort in the fact that in America, the electric chair, death by lethal injection, death by firing squads, death by lethal gas, hangings and such have not ever happened.

And especially not burnings at the stake of women for obscure and false accusations. No civilized country would stoop so low.

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: chr0naut

Well how is he responsible when the previous administration failed
to do anything after for going the experience of what a virus could do
to devastate this country? They put no guide lines in place and made no
preparations at all after gaining experience vital to the survival of any
nation. No learning from experience and handing it down right?

Nope just let the next administration wonder in and get blind sided at
the cost of who knows how many innocent lives. Right? Trump is perfectly
accurate pointing to the do less absolutely dufuss previous administration.

What keeps you from seeing that?

The previous administration went through Swine Flu (H1N1), Ebola, and Zika epidemics without too much problem.

Trump had three years and in that time, he defunded and gutted everything he didn't understand.

You can't seriously blame Obama?

LOL.

a reply to: chr0naut

You can't seriously blame Obama?

Only as easily as you can blame Trump.

And especially not burnings at the stake of women for obscure and false accusations. No civilized country would stoop so low.

Did you just go back to the sixteen hundreds to justify your hateful views?

Did you really stoop that low?

Why don't you live in china?

a reply to: chr0naut
The numbers are tiny in comparison but you keep tooting that sickle commie boy
The difference is convicted criminals in the 100’s compared to a genocide
Keep digging your hole

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: chr0naut

You can't seriously blame Obama?

Only as easily as you can blame Trump.

And especially not burnings at the stake of women for obscure and false accusations. No civilized country would stoop so low.

Did you just go back to the sixteen hundreds to justify your hateful views?

Did you really stoop that low?

Why don't you live in china?

Because I like it here, where I live, on a sub-tropical volcanic island, with it's own cultures and peoples, and where I am comfortable, well fed, there is religious and social freedom, and rule of law, and there is a caring community.

(Oh, and we have got this COVID-19 thing managed, if not, beat).

originally posted by: Paul911GT3
a reply to: chr0naut
The numbers are tiny in comparison but you keep tooting that sickle commie boy
The difference is convicted criminals in the 100’s compared to a genocide
Keep digging your hole

Are you aware that there are only 55 countries left in the world that even have capital punishment anymore? America is one of them.

Capital punishment in the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The world is bigger and has far more variety and novelty than being either; entirely the US, or entirely China. There are, like, 195 countries by the usual reckoning!

a reply to: chr0naut

Because I like it here, where I live, on a sub-tropical volcanic island, with it's own cultures and peoples, and where I am comfortable, well fed, there is religious and social freedom, and rule of law, and there is a caring community.

(Oh, and we have got this COVID-19 thing managed, if not, beat).

Now I get it. You have it so damn good you actually have to make a
conscious effort to come on line and bitch about something that
means absolutely nothing to you! Just so you don't forget what it's
like to bitch!

And if that's the case?
I think I can get along with that.

I respect what everyone has said and there has been a lot that is at least partly right on all sides. But, knowing i'm going to sound pretentious I'm going to say this anyway... you are all thinking too binary... if not A then B. While that way of thinking will lead you to some early conclusions, it will obscure and make difficult to see that there are bigger things happening than just communism vs capitalism, democrats vs republicans, etc. I would implore anyone who hasn't to please go get a copy of George Orwell, 1984. And Aldous Huxley's, Brave new world. They are required reading and I couldn't be more serious. I'm not saying that those two works contain all the answers, they don't, but they do exposit on a fair bit and go quite deep down some rabbit holes and it will allow you to begin to understand the machinations of a much more machiavellian state of affairs in our world. The binary thinking is not conducive to being able to completely leave all the programming that's been drilled into us, into our kids and on down the line. Yes, there are close up local politics that matter, and yes entire factions or ideologies war against others quite often and have their level of the world stage to play on and show us all... Please, if you haven't read those two works, please do so... its fairly important.

Very interesting recap. I’m still not sure I understand how you went from being an Occupy/ Sanders supporter to voting for Trump other than you observed the Soros connection ... you also accused the Tea Party of being racist after it went Republican.
I’ve always been Republican and I’ve always believed that everyone should have the same opportunity via free enterprise and Liberty, not Big Gov Big Bro socialism and not crony Capitalism and certainly not the Bill Gates type of monopoly capitalism. CPUSA marches with the Occupy people.
Again, Bernie Sanders is and always has been a communist and the Occupy movement attracted a lot of communist/socialist, so how did you go from that to being for Trump. I want to understand how it is you moved into a different camp, what exactly has changed for you. Is it an overall awareness of the manipulation, observation of Soros money, what ?
Could you also clarify what about Trump you now see as someone to vote for ? You definitely seem a person as boots on the ground with personal experience.
You see I’ve been to some Tea Party events and I know a lot of Tea Party people and I know what they are about. I know they are decent patriotic people who love their country and want to keep our 4 sacred freedoms.
Soros is the most destructive creature I’ve seen in my life.
I have been devoted to Freedom and Liberty my whole life. I know that establishment Republicans can give as much lip service as anyone on the left to the concept of the New World Order. I heartily recommend you read Antony Sutton, “America's Secret Establishment”, which explains the left/right Hegelian dialectic imported from Germany by members of Yale/Russell Trust. He also wrote many other books including, “ Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler” , “Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution”, and “Wall Steet and FDR”. I recommend these to you as you will understand then how the International Bankers created the monster of world communism and world socialism as we see it today. I think you may be one of those unique individuals who will be able to see the pieces of the puzzle alor.org...

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Paul911GT3
a reply to: chr0naut
The numbers are tiny in comparison but you keep tooting that sickle commie boy
The difference is convicted criminals in the 100’s compared to a genocide
Keep digging your hole

Are you aware that there are only 55 countries left in the world that even have capital punishment anymore? America is one of them.

Capital punishment in the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The world is bigger and has far more variety and novelty than being either; entirely the US, or entirely China. There are, like, 195 countries by the usual reckoning!

Since you are not American I will give you the benefit of the doubt, but your hatred of America comes through your posts a lot. I am really curious though why you give China a pass on human rights abuses. Do you just not know about the One Child policy or Tianneman Square or the imprisonment of dissidents or the imprisonment of Muslims in that country or the Great Firewall of China or their stealing of US technology or their cyber attacks on America, or oh here’s one....their scientists embedded in our universities and labs working on things like virus bioweapons....
and how is it you do not see that Obama admin ignored Ebola while nurses flew on airplanes knowing they should be in quarantine but the whole world went into a giant mask-wearing quarantine over a flu virus and that is somehow Trumps fault ? That is one of the worst cases of TDS I’ve ever seen. It’s right up there with the college student who threw the trash can.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lysergic

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: MultiversalSoul

You think that with an entire planet to plunder, that China would go for the US? Possibly the hardest target of them all?

Paranoia.

America is expansionist too.

Do you think that they had some reason or right in Korea? Vietnam? Afganistan? Africa? The Pacific Islands?

Face it, they are all as bad as each other.

No.

You rather China push up on nz or the USA don't lie.

I would rather that my countries stay sovereign, and that alliances and trade deals are done in the best interests of national sovereignty.

The US has a worse record of abusing the sovereign rights of other countries than China does, taken over the times of their respective histories.

I personally never supported the war in Iraq. I saw it as an extension of the power elites and CFR control and Geo political warfare. I hope that you will be able to disentangle America’s true destiny from the controls of the elite, who now want to destroy America and American sovereignty. Do you not understand that is what Soros Open Borders policy is, to destroy America as a world leader and make her submit to the NWO? Here’s a clue : Soros hates Trump and has said that Trump is ruining his NWO

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Paul911GT3
a reply to: chr0naut
The numbers are tiny in comparison but you keep tooting that sickle commie boy
The difference is convicted criminals in the 100’s compared to a genocide
Keep digging your hole

Are you aware that there are only 55 countries left in the world that even have capital punishment anymore? America is one of them.

Capital punishment in the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The world is bigger and has far more variety and novelty than being either; entirely the US, or entirely China. There are, like, 195 countries by the usual reckoning!

Capital punishment is only for people committing extremely heinous crimes, you know like Ted Dahmer and so on. It actually gives the soul a chance to reincarnate again immediately and take karmic responsibility instead of hanging around in a prison cell for decades.
As opposed to Tianneman Square, abortion of female babies for population control and so on. Sounds like you really prefer a totalitarian controlled society rather than one based on free enterprise and self-actualization.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Paul911GT3
a reply to: chr0naut
The numbers are tiny in comparison but you keep tooting that sickle commie boy
The difference is convicted criminals in the 100’s compared to a genocide
Keep digging your hole

Are you aware that there are only 55 countries left in the world that even have capital punishment anymore? America is one of them.

Capital punishment in the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The world is bigger and has far more variety and novelty than being either; entirely the US, or entirely China. There are, like, 195 countries by the usual reckoning!

Since you are not American I will give you the benefit of the doubt, but your hatred of America comes through your posts a lot.

A disagreement with political policy is not hatred. I love American music, fiction and culture. I watch and enjoy American movies & TV. I actually think there are many good political ideals that America has originated and embraced.

Just because I point out the flaws doesn't mean I hate America.

Is your nationalistic inferiority complex such that you cannot bear disagreement without accusing people of hatred?

I am really curious though why you give China a pass on human rights abuses.

China has a horrible account in regards to human rights abuses. I have never denied that. But America also has a similar history of human rights abuses, slavery, false imprisonment, executions for minor or imagined crimes, unjust wars and so forth. I don't condone any country's human rights abuses. Even my own country, Australia, had horrible policies in regard to the treatment of its native inhabitants. They are ALL things we must continue to speak out against.

Do you just not know about the One Child policy or Tianneman Square or the imprisonment of dissidents or the imprisonment of Muslims in that country or the Great Firewall of China or their stealing of US technology or their cyber attacks on America, or oh here’s one....their scientists embedded in our universities and labs working on things like virus bioweapons....

Yes, I'm aware of those things.

Are you aware of America's stockpiles of bioweapons, chemical weapons, fragmentary explosives, nerve agents, napalm and other incendiaries like phosphorous grenades, defoliants (for spraying over agrarian societies to cause mass starvation) and a whole range of radiation weapons. A stack of which are designed to target populations but leave infrastructure unharmed? Weapons of terror, rather than defense?

What about the obscene use of nuclear weapons against civilian noncombatant populations? Are you aware that no other county in the world has ever done that?

and how is it you do not see that Obama admin ignored Ebola while nurses flew on airplanes knowing they should be in quarantine but the whole world went into a giant mask-wearing quarantine over a flu virus and that is somehow Trumps fault ? That is one of the worst cases of TDS I’ve ever seen. It’s right up there with the college student who threw the trash can.

Obama did some wrong things. Tens of innocents died, I don't deny that. But in the case of Ebola, Swine flu, Zika and a number of epidemics, Obama dealt with them and minimized deaths. What's the current number of avoidable deaths (and, yes, they are avoidable deaths. Look at what has happened in New Zealand and Australia as examples), from COVID-19 in the US? Trump didn't cause them, but he has also done nothing to prevent them.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Paul911GT3
a reply to: chr0naut
The numbers are tiny in comparison but you keep tooting that sickle commie boy
The difference is convicted criminals in the 100’s compared to a genocide
Keep digging your hole

Are you aware that there are only 55 countries left in the world that even have capital punishment anymore? America is one of them.

Capital punishment in the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The world is bigger and has far more variety and novelty than being either; entirely the US, or entirely China. There are, like, 195 countries by the usual reckoning!

Capital punishment is only for people committing extremely heinous crimes, you know like Ted Dahmer and so on.

That's what China says, too.

It actually gives the soul a chance to reincarnate again immediately and take karmic responsibility instead of hanging around in a prison cell for decades.

I don't believe in reincarnation. The traditional view is that the evil doer, when they die, goes to hell and torment.

As opposed to Tianneman Square, abortion of female babies for population control and so on. Sounds like you really prefer a totalitarian controlled society rather than one based on free enterprise and self-actualization.

The abortion of babies for convenience, as occurs now in the US, is so much more 'civilized'.

There you go, making wild assumptions and then damning others for your erroneous conclusions. All extremists seem to do that. Have you noticed all those right wing propagandist sites that over and over tell you what their opponents think all the time? Exactly the same thing. The stupid convincing only the stupid.

a reply to: chr0naut

Lol
Nationalistic inferiority complex that is really funny but I’m not taking you seriously when you are comparing America with China as you are. And I’m being polite.
I’m sure you enjoy the cra$& coming out of Holierthanthouwood. Actually I’m enjoying the higher moral things coming out of S Korea at present.
But listen how did you get from believing in your own country’s sovereignty to accusing me of being “nationalistic”. Is it only ok when it’s not America ?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Paul911GT3
a reply to: chr0naut
The numbers are tiny in comparison but you keep tooting that sickle commie boy
The difference is convicted criminals in the 100’s compared to a genocide
Keep digging your hole

Are you aware that there are only 55 countries left in the world that even have capital punishment anymore? America is one of them.

Capital punishment in the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The world is bigger and has far more variety and novelty than being either; entirely the US, or entirely China. There are, like, 195 countries by the usual reckoning!

Capital punishment is only for people committing extremely heinous crimes, you know like Ted Dahmer and so on.

That's what China says, too.

It actually gives the soul a chance to reincarnate again immediately and take karmic responsibility instead of hanging around in a prison cell for decades.

I don't believe in reincarnation. The traditional view is that the evil doer, when they die, goes to hell and torment.

As opposed to Tianneman Square, abortion of female babies for population control and so on. Sounds like you really prefer a totalitarian controlled society rather than one based on free enterprise and self-actualization.

The abortion of babies for convenience, as occurs now in the US, is so much more 'civilized'.

There you go, making wild assumptions and then damning others for your erroneous conclusions. All extremists seem to do that. Have you noticed all those right wing propagandist sites that over and over tell you what their opponents think all the time? Exactly the same thing. The stupid convincing only the stupid.

That’s your traditional thinking. I don’t subscribe to having one life and going to heaven or hell or even nowhere. I’m not an atheist and I’m not a humanist and I’m not a fundamentalist. Hundreds of millions of people on this planet believe in reincarnation.
Abortion of babies is not “civilized” anywhere in the planet.
But what I am saying is in your posts you give China a pass. How can I take you seriously ? Nationalism it’s ok for China I guess or maybe Stalinist Russia?
One thing I know is that you are not Trevor Loudon.
How typical of you to accuse me of being an extremist because I am patriotic and don’t accept totalitarian regimes in China or elsewhere. It’s a typical ploy of people who have progressive tendencies.

a reply to: MultiversalSoul

The hot mess this country is turning into is definitely forcing people to take a damn hard look at their political alliance, and re-evaluate it/shore it up. This is a GREAT segway into party education, there's more than JUST the Big Two, it irks the ever-loving crap out of me that people who are a fantastic fit for other parties won't so much as look at them. Um, they're kinda your peeps through and through, give 'em a damn look already o.O

And I'm no stranger to that re-evaluating this go-around. I'm Libertarian, meaning I reach across the R/L isle a lot to balance out. It's fine, and very normal -- and most critically, that's how voting SHOULD go down, not strict party adherence.

Part of the MAJOR issue in accomplishing that kind of method to voting -- researching all before casting a ballot is not seen as very critical. And entirely too many people support straight ticket voting (voting solely for one party or the other's candidates entirety) THAT? Is lazy voting, IMO.

I really despise that method being someone's only options to vote, it's very restrictive and feels very...manipulative.

That said, I did just send off my MI absentee ballot today, along with my husband's. It's a straight vote, not split ticketing allowed. Fortunately, most of the people I voted for I already support, and those I was unfamiliar with, I was ok with having in local/state politics versus their opposition.

Hold on to your hats, folks, and someone get the smelling salts for Arnie -- I voted Republican this time. Because screw this dumpster fire, society is in for a RUDE awakening in a few months when the country swings hard red and AOC & all the other gum-flappers are left standing there with empty hands.

The hissy fits are going to be astounding, I'm betting on that.