The IDs of the Parties involved in the 2007 Nimitz UFO Video Leak are Known!!!

originally posted by: The GUT
Well now that ufology is mainstream acceptable, chic even, maybe the chap can stop feeling dodgy and conflicted. Digging to unlock secrets and detect the identity of others who wish to remain anonymous while desiring to remain anonymous oneself seems...um...conflicted. There's that word again.

At first glance it might seem that way, but there are two different issues. One is knowing who someone is privately. I think that's what Isaac seemed to be seeking from witnesses, and he has privately revealed his identity to some, so I don't see a conflict there.

And again publicly, Isaac was not threatening to doxx the identies he found privately in public, just as he doesn't want people who know his identity privately to doxx him in public, so again I don't see a conflict there.

So, that only leaves that there is a difference between private and public, with respect to anonymity or lack thereof.

Regarding how "respectable" it is now to talk about UFOs, that's debatable. I heard people saying similar things in 2017 after the Kean/Blumenthal articles were printed in the NY Times. Seemed like a respectable publication. But those are not the most responsible journalists and more responsible journalists like Greenewald (Blackvault) and Greenstreet (BasementOffice-NY Post) posted some research claiming that the stories in the NY Times were filled with misrepresentations and factual errors, and neither Elizondo nore the pentagon could seem to tell a straight story, giving us so many versions of events. So now with all those revelations, the NYTimes stories don't seem that respectable.

I don't see where David Grush has brought much to the table that Edgar Mitchell hadn't already said which is that people told him things and showed him things, but he didn't see it for himself. So I would still have concerns about my client base if I was in Isaac's shoes, especially if the Grusch story turns out to be as misleading as the Elizondo episode in this ongoing saga.

a reply to: The GUT

The problem with Green's scenario is that whilst it may cover physical legacy issues it doesn't account for any ongoing presence or non-physical aspects (aspects which he and those in the same circle are fully aware of).

So if there is any truth buried there it is only a part truth.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

I can't speak for The GUT but I think the more important part of his post was the phrase:

"Digging to unlock secrets and detect the identity of others who wish to remain anonymous" .....

If we are to believe his story then in 2004 TFT illegally acquired digital copies of video and documents. In 2007, he transferred them to what he believes was a German national, Cometa. Who had the FLIR video uploaded to a small German video company's public server. And the rest is literally documented from page 1 on this thread.

The FLIR video was not officially released until Ap ril 2020. Isaac Koi was still pursuing such "possibly classified" materials as late as June 2019. He said so publicly.

... in another positive development, it appears that the Powerpoint presentation in relation to Nimitz incident(s) may _not_ only have been held by Cometa (and TheFinalTheory)...

… SeenTooMuch has confirmed that a doc file and a Powerpoint file were included in material that Cometa shared. Unfortunately, SeenTooMuch has not retained either file and was not able to open the Powerpoint file… But this suggests that some others involved with me, SeenTooMuch, Cometa and TheFinalTheory in the discussion in 2007 may have at least the Powerpoint file - if not the longer version of the Nimitz ….

So, I remain optimistic (particularly if TFTR responds to the questions I posed last week, in this thread and on Facebook) that it may be possible to obtain the longer version of the video and/or the Powerpoint presentation (i.e. UFO 5 Anomaly brief.ppt).

www.abovetopsecret.com...

We aren't just talking about the FLIR video here but other "documents". Their contents and classification status remains unknown.

For someone who is allegedly a legal professional, seeking to acquire potentially classified documents over a period of 12 years and brazenly announcing it publicly would appear to be incredibly naïve actions. The US government does not let you off because it was all really about finding the truth about UFOs. Just ask Gary McKinnon that one.

The possible consequences of this pursuit were surely far more of a risk to his career than any embarrassment that could come from being labelled a "UFO buff".

But Isaac claimed no one from US intelligence ever approached him.

I am sure most people can think up more than a few reasons for why that might be so.

a reply to: The GUT

So at this point in the long-game anyone have any thoughts on this after it's had time to simmer? I'm afraid to post it anywhere but here because in the current environment it could be like fly-paper for the easily led. Then again, could it be true? Partially true?

It's three years since this thread was posted and six years since TTSA appeared. In which time I think most of the casual interested, first attracted by the 2017 headlines, have moved on. All having decided long ago there was nothing to see there. Only us hardcore idiots remain.

I skimmed through the whole thread again. I'd forgotten a lot of the drama and kooks that crawled out of the woodwork. Even how Corbell appeared for a flyby post, thinking he could influence the conversation. But soon jumped back out of the frying pan before that magnificent Norse beard became nothing more than a smoking whisker on his chin.

But that reminded me of the slow changing of the guard. The old Vegas UFO Mob are approaching their twilight years. While they are still around there has been a large push to give their proteges a public prominence over the last few years.

Corbell appears to have nothing in common with Knapp. But there he is making entertainment videos and being their go-to UFO idiot by TV News companies [who couldn't get Nick Pope on to say something].

There's a new guy in charge at the Skinwalker Ranch. Big Bob has even closed down his Aerospace company.

Nolan is now the go to "scientific" guy, having worked with Green for a long time.

Big Friendly Lue appears to have come and almost gone as the poster boy at the helm.

There's a new guy recruited for that role...



The show must go on, I guess.

But I've long suspected these guys use the UFO topic as a metaphor for other shenanigans What goes on behind the curtain is something more difficult to penetrate. And probably classified. Something I don't particularly wish to pursue.

a reply to: mirageman

But I've long suspected these guys use the UFO topic as a metaphor for other shenanigans What goes on behind the curtain is something more difficult to penetrate. And probably classified. Something I don't particularly wish to pursue.

Yes re the shenanigans....

originally posted by: mirageman

Corbell appears to have nothing in common with Knapp.

Knapp wouldnt be the first elderly statesman of UFO-logy Corbell has buddied up with - and he can (allegedly) be quite determined (to the point he had to be evicted from said elderly UFO-logists couch by concerned family members who had observed deteriorating health).

There was a documentary on UK TV a while ago about people who go round and befriend the elderly in a hope they get a share of the estate.
This lot wanted dead peoples wardrobes they could sell at car boots - Corbell wants UFO-logy legacy (and any documents/contacts that come with it...) to hawk in a similar manner.

a reply to: mirageman

Nice summary and possible conclusion of this…your thread MM.

The changing of the guard is evident now as you’ve described it. I’m not sure what else could happen except for the same o same o …continues. The personalities aren’t really bringing anything really new to the table.

When I state “new”….that means to say……Hardcore Physical Proof of the Phenomenon.

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originally posted by: Arbitrageur
At first glance it might seem that way, but there are two different issues. One is knowing who someone is privately. I think that's what Isaac seemed to be seeking from witnesses, and he has privately revealed his identity to some, so I don't see a conflict there.

Of course I considered that while calculating an opinion but it didn't hold up for me. I took the whole thing fairly seriously because I publicly dipped my toes in something that on the surface would seem foolhardy especially since a lot of folk here and elsewhere connected to the topic know my real name.

So having said that, whether Koi was patriotically helping track down severe national security leaks or just digging around for UFO truth, he was still putting folk at risk and I personally think "anonymous" folk should at the very least be cognizant of the risks they are to others. Related: I personally find a grown-up who is passionate about a subject and does world-class collating but is afraid to own it while on the other hand digging into personal identities and never giving an a public opinion on the UFO topic weird as heck. That's kind of a powerful position to be in and what might it say about them?

As a side-note, for those who might be interested, that opinion is actually out there. You gotta go back a few years and find the somewhat obscure corners where it resides. Quite illuminating in my opinion---and, yeah, makes me think he and Kit would relate well.

Then again maybe I'm just breathing toxic fumes in my mom's basement and these guys are Disclosure heroes.

a reply to: The GUT

Then again maybe I'm just breathing toxic fumes in my mom's basement

I don't believe you are.

originally posted by: Jukiodone

originally posted by: mirageman

Corbell appears to have nothing in common with Knapp.

Knapp wouldnt be the first elderly statesman of UFO-logy Corbell has buddied up with - and he can (allegedly) be quite determined (to the point he had to be evicted from said elderly UFO-logists couch by concerned family members who had observed deteriorating health)....

I heard it also involved Corbell taking control of social media pages, hijacking facebook etc. to promote himself. Don't know how true it was.

a reply to: The GUT

It's all entirely possible, GUT.

I think I said it earlier in the thread [it was years ago so perhaps not this one]. But if someone called Ivan Kov or Isaac Tsoi approached you about acquiring some files you'd smuggled off of an Navy Aircraft Carrier you might just think twice about what you were doing. Did Isaac Koi provide his real name and personal details back to TFT or Cometa I wonder? Probably not. But he certainly went after theirs didn't he?

But we don't know if others involved in the transferring and chasing down these Nimitz files was really carrying out intel or counter intel operations. Or whether they were acting on behalf of adversaries or not. There are huge risks involved.

What we do know is that the UFO subject is very closely tied to clandestine military activity and technology. Is it any wonder there are so many spooks crawling all over it?

a reply to: mirageman


Isaac is no fly by night so there are of course many questions which surround all of this.

originally posted by: mirageman

But we don't know if others involved in the transferring and chasing down these Nimitz files was really carrying out intel or counter intel operations. Or whether they were acting on behalf of adversaries or not. There are huge risks involved.

Yes, it's important that's clear thank you. I don't know how he fits or doesn't fit when all is said and considered. I feel a little bad about it for a minute, that I've been mean some while exploring the various possible interpretations of the facts---facts that often lead back to folk and associations I find suspect. After coming to know some of them I don't care what their intentions are good, misguided, or evil I don't care for careless, even reckless, ops & techniques.

Confession: If Isaac truly was convinced that TFTR was TFT, or pretended he did, I don't know what to make of that. Or rather maybe I do.

So I did take a counter-intelligence risk if you will---possibly wandering into one yeah, but I wanted to bang things together behind the scenes as well as in the forum because after all these years of slowly accruing some personal conclusions I was just then starting to formulate the very best of questions. The kind of questions that are refined to the point of answering themselves.

For example: If I jump out first and give TFTR the thumbs up WWHD I wondered? (what would heckle-fish do.) Now, it could be he really came to that conclusion from the behind the scenes evidentiary items and oral debriefing. But truthfully there wasn't quite enough there to be that strong on it. Not for someone as bright as Isaac. Fact, in my book. So. if true, what might that infer?

Further, I'm a sucker for folk not getting hurt that are doing the right thing---especially in ufology. If TFTR was a government operative picking up where TFT left off fine. That's one question.

But if TFTR was just a somewhat eccentric semi-whistleblower, or even some wounded-soul fake seeking attention---I didn't want him wandering into the snakepit that is ufology without a heads up. Speaking of TFTR, I heard somebody that knew who Isaac was in real life clued TFTR in to make it fair is what I understand.

Maybe Isaac shared his identity later but when I was in contact with him he showed me a message from Isaac where Isaac explained why it was cool for Isaac to remain anonymous while TFTR could rest assured sharing his identity was safe with him. So TFTR wanted to know who he was sharing with but the answer was apparently no.

originally posted by: The GUT
Maybe Isaac shared his identity later but when I was in contact with him he showed me a message from Isaac where Isaac explained why it was cool for Isaac to remain anonymous while TFTR could rest assured sharing his identity was safe with him. So TFTR wanted to know who he was sharing with but the answer was apparently no.

That's new information to me. If TFTR's claim is credible then I would have to agree it doesn't seem right for the private information sharing to be asymmetric like that. Even if both parties agree to exchange private info, I also don't know how you do that without a Lucy pulling the football from Charlie Brown moment when you send your info first and the other party doesn't reciprocate. It seems like neither party would want to be first.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

I should probably check in on TFTR to see how's he doing and make sure he's safe or if there is any new relevant news....or see what clues might have been left behind as he was sheep-dipped somewhere else.

Is anyone in contact with him now or recently? As opposed to other "contactees" to make a pun, I gave TFTR my personal facebook upfront to signal my intentions.

If it wasn't a clever act, he was kind of naive in a good way. Definitely a believer even to the point of Skunkworks forums type beliefs.

Does anyone here have an idea of Isaac's opinion as regards the UFO question? Sometimes that's helpful. Not by itself of course, but can help in conjunction with other data to decipher general intention is how I'd put it I guess. And of course we have a natural curiosity about the take of intelligent folk who have a lot of knowledge of the subject.

Which reminds me there was/is an online magazine called Magonia that you might be familiar with, but if not I think you'd enjoy some of the articles. Might have to wayback it. Isaac has written some good articles there if I recall correctly and I think they had an interesting forum too and/or a reply function. I remember some interesting discussions from some very intelligent folk.

ETA: Magazine is Magonia not Magnolia as auto-correct had it.

a reply to: The GUT

Does anyone here have an idea of Isaac's opinion as regards the UFO question?

Well Isaac could simply answer all this himself. He is not inactive. He was/ knee deep in Rendlesham too, then he also had an interest in Richard Doty. Gut this whole shebang seems a tad fishy.

originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: Arbitrageur


Is anyone in contact with him now or recently?

*Insert Homers high pitched scream

Hell No!!
Seemed like an invitation for solicitation- possibly originating from a global passive adversary with advanced persistent threat capability - on a battleground of their choosing - no less.

If you got flipped...make sure your handlers note the above (JK).

ETA@MM: (I will) weaponize your ̶c̶u̶r̶i̶o̶ infirmity

a reply to: The GUT

I think it's probably necessary to make things absolutely clear, GUT. Just to make sure there is no confusion. Your involvement only began in 2019 and you were only ever provided with the necessary information to confirm TFTR was who he claimed to be ? ** In other words, a Naval IT technician. You were not offered, nor had you requested, any of the potentially sensitive documents?

This was very different from Isaac Koi (and others ) who were involved from the outset chasing down the supposed longer video(s) and documents that TFT had supposedly acquired.

I'd summarized the pitfalls of such a pursuit here : www.abovetopsecret.com...

There's probably too much room for speculation here.

But one possibility is that the original release of the FLIR video was a honeytrap. One designed to attract adversaries to it. With those rabidly pursuing this material dragged into as well. Perhaps unwittingly.

I would still think that continuing to pursue those materials from 2007 to 2019 and even going as far as to acquire personal details of those involved, with all the possible attention that would attract, seems very risky. The possibility of prosecution is one peril. But there's also the unwanted attention it could bring from agents of both our friends and our foes. But we could also speculate as to why those risks were not necessarily apparent to those involved, too.

a reply to: The GUT

Does anyone here have an idea of Isaac's opinion as regards the UFO question?

From the official website : www.isaackoi.com...

...I am a barrister in England with an interest in various issues relating to "UFOs". I write under a pseudonym because some clients and colleagues would probably roll on the floor with laughter at the thought of my spending time on these topics, even though my focus of my interest is actually on various sociological and psychological issues relating to UFOs and ufology....

Maybe that partially answers your question?

a reply to: mirageman

 I write under a pseudonym because some clients and colleagues would probably roll on the floor with laughter

That should no longer apply. It's all out in the open.