Wanted: Honest intelligent productive thinking to resolve the issue God exists or not.

a reply to: Ahadu
So to answer your question...completion is existence, zero is non existence. It's a dance of these two.

a reply to: Pachomius

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reality

No. Reality is the observable who’s facts cannot be disputed. Like the sun rises. The sun heats the earth and provides light. Abraham Lincoln who was the 16th US president is dead. A volcano produced lava. There is an ocean. A man lost his arm in a car wreck. A child was born. hydrogen combined with chloride makes an acid.

a reply to: neutronflux

OMG!? Did you do that on purpose?

Reality is the observable who’s facts cannot be disputed. Like the sun rises.

Where, how, when would the "sun rises" be a fact? That's a figure of speech. The matching fact is: the Earth turns.

That's so beautiful, because it is symptomatic for this entire thread.
Both sides of the argument are...(let's be nice and call it) flawed.

a reply to: Peeple
😂 I wish I could give you more than just the one star.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: neutronflux

OMG!? Did you do that on purpose?

Reality is the observable who’s facts cannot be disputed. Like the sun rises.

Where, how, when would the "sun rises" be a fact? That's a figure of speech. The matching fact is: the Earth turns.

That's so beautiful, because it is symptomatic for this entire thread.
Both sides of the argument are...(let's be nice and call it) flawed.

I agree.
Yes it's flawed but not just because of what you just said but also because we have overlooked some of the most important facts that matter(pun intended) and we are going on about it with incomplete information and knowledge.

Looking at what appears as reality here and now.....does one not wonder what is looking?

Saint Francis of Assisi said:
What we are looking for is what is looking.

Thank you for the correction. And I am glad it could be of use.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
Looking at what appears as reality here and now.....does one not wonder what is looking?

Saint Francis of Assisi said:
What we are looking for is what is looking.

The spirit of my post is still true. The sun does provide light and heat vital to our well being on earth

So, your “theory” is “Saint Francis of Assisi said:
What we are looking for is what is looking.“

Your logic is flawed. Not everyone is “looking”

Not everyone is “looking” for the same thing.

And in the context of not everyone is “looking” for the same thing, and people do have faith there is no god. So faith is not evidence.

New theory could prove how life began and disprove God

www.independent.co.uk...

Back to your theory of “ What we are looking for is what is looking“, what repeatable experiment can be conducted to prove “ What we are looking for is what is looking.“

A little off topic. But your confusion of faith as evidence explains why you would believe something like steel beams being evaporated on 9-11 when there is zero evidence such a thing occurred. With zero evidence such a machine exists.

a reply to: neutronflux
You will be telling us that the earth is flat next 😂

a reply to: neutronflux
You better call Saint Francis.....and tell him that he is wrong!

a reply to: neutronflux

So, your “theory” is “Saint Francis of Assisi said:
What we are looking for is what is looking.“

It's not 'my theory' that Saint Francis of Assisi said:
What we are looking for is what is looking.

You can search online.....and it states that Saint Francis of Assisi said:
What we are looking for is what is looking.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: neutronflux

So, your “theory” is “Saint Francis of Assisi said:
What we are looking for is what is looking.“

It's not 'my theory' that Saint Francis of Assisi said:
What we are looking for is what is looking.

You can search online.....and it states that Saint Francis of Assisi said:
What we are looking for is what is looking.

Then there is no truth to what Saint Francis claimed. So your point is moot? Or indefensible?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: neutronflux

So, your “theory” is “Saint Francis of Assisi said:
What we are looking for is what is looking.“

It's not 'my theory' that Saint Francis of Assisi said:
What we are looking for is what is looking.

You can search online.....and it states that Saint Francis of Assisi said:
What we are looking for is what is looking.

What does that have to do with anything I posted.

Let’s start with....

So, your “theory” is “Saint Francis of Assisi said:
What we are looking for is what is looking.“

Your logic is flawed. Not everyone is “looking”

Not everyone is “looking” for the same thing.

a reply to: neutronflux

Your logic is flawed. Not everyone is “looking".

Not everyone is “looking” for the same thing.

Can these words appear to you.... if you are not 'looking' at them?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

So you have to”look” to construct what you want to believe?

And in the context of not everyone is “looking” for the same thing, and people do have faith there is no god. So faith is not evidence.

New theory could prove how life began and disprove God

www.independent.co.uk...

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Itisnowagain

So you have to”look” to construct what you want to believe?

No.
Never mind..

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Itisnowagain

So you have to”look” to construct what you want to believe?

No.
Never mind..

You couldn’t think of someone else’s one liner to use, then not defend? Huh....,

a reply to: neutronflux
No....I find it absolutely pointless trying to discuss anything with you.

I feel your purpose/intention is to belittle and twist things......so you can feel smart.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: neutronflux
No....I find it absolutely pointless trying to discuss anything with you.

I feel your purpose/intention is to belittle and twist things......so you can feel smart.

Or to point out your false authority. And what is right for you is not right for everyone else in the world of having freewill.

Is freewill a blessing, or curse?

a reply to: neutronflux
I think you missed this:

I find it absolutely pointless trying to discuss anything with you.

I feel your purpose/intention is to belittle and twist things......so you can feel smart.