Rayshard Brooks charging decision today

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: KnoxMSP

If he got the other officer's firearm then why wield the taser whilst trying to escape?

My point is that in the heat of the moment the officer may have had a hard time knowing what was in Brooks' hand. Are you aware of evidence of him admitting he knew 100% that Brooks had gotten the taser, and not the firearm?

There's a lot of holes in these charges that even a layman like myself can see.

a reply to: KnoxMSP

I'm aware the incident is not exactly cut and dry.

I guess it's going to have to be up to the courts to decide.

In the heat of the moment, he may indeed not have known what was in his hand.

It's a sad case, put it that way but at the end of the day there are now a lot of holes in another poor dead Man, over what amounts to stupidity.

a reply to: andy06shake

But to be fair that's a nonlethal weapon, a gun not so much.

It’s less lethal. Or, according to the DA, it’s considered a deadly weapon under Georgia law sometimes but not other times.

a reply to: Shamrock6

I thought they were supposed to incapacitate, tasers that is, and not kill?

Guess just about anything can be a deadly weapon depending on how it's used.

a reply to: andy06shake

The manufacturer calls them less lethal. They’re designed to incapacitate, not kill, but they can and do sometimes kill people.

The issue is that this DA seems to change how he views tasers on a daily basis.

a reply to: andy06shake

Estimated lethality of the taser has been established by several knowledgable folks here at about 1%.

It's generally acknowledged, when it's not necessary to the argument being made, that the "less lethal" tag is simply CYA for the manufacturer.

I've read reports that say the damned things fail completely about 50% of the time.

And the taser in question had been spent, and there's good evidence Officer Rolfe knew that.

Mr. Brooks' actions merited him being subdued to my mind there's no question there. Whether lethal force was justified will be seen.

There's also the issue of the officer's failure to render proper aid. Officer Rolfe was also witnessed (apparently on video footage) kicking the suspect repeatedly after he was down with two bullets in his back.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I've been tasered it's not nice.

The timing is priceless.

It's just a horrible thing to happen, all that wasted life over what amounts to daftness and fear.

a reply to: Gryphon66

What “good evidence” would that be?

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Gryphon66

What “good evidence” would that be?

The Fulton DA referenced a good deal of video evidence and crime scene analysis that we haven't been privvy to.

You yourself have said that the taser has a very very low chance of lethality, and you yourself have recognized that the taser had been initiated at least once.

Officer Rolfe was (or should have been) aware that the taser that Mr. Brooks had possession of was spent.

Even if there was one charge left, that would not have been sufficient to incapacitate two officers.

SO there's no scenario in which either officer's life was in legitimate danger from a man 18 feet away running away from them with a taser with one charge.

I mean there has to come a point where that is simply acknowledged over the "good shoot good shoot" chorus ...

I have no issue with the officers subduing Mr. Brooks; he resisted arrest.

Apparently, however, Officer Rolfe not only put two into the man's back and not only waited to render proper aid, but he also kicked the man while he was down with two shots in his back while he partner stood on the man's shoulders.

There has to come a point here as the actual evidence comes to light that we face reality.

originally posted by: KnoxMSP

originally posted by: one4all
Civic Police work does not include execution.....ever....someone dieing should be a rarity and only happen when the entire System breaks down not as SOP as is happening now.

What is the ratio of police contacts to police contacts ending with the person being killed?

I am betting the statistics and ratios are not on your side.

Whats the ratio of Pregnant women who haven't had intercourse to Pregnant women who have?We aren't discussing "people being killed"....people don't just "be killed"...we are discussing execution and murder....the statistics are skewed as we all know but not forever as we are now seeing.

There is no inclusive statistic for cold blooded execution and Murder anywhere in this equation....there cannot be "accidental death" human beings are incredibly hard to kill unless you mean it.

If my son "accidentally"dies while in your custody or while you are in the process of effecting that custody you are 100% culpable until proven otherwise....and we begin with the benefit of the doubt being given to the Citizen whos rights are being interdicted upon by a Civil Agency.....so if someone dies its a CRIME until proven otherwise....the custodial dynamic changes the focus of fiscal accountability and this at the end of the day is what we are discussing....because it is the only way to stop the carnage and keep our good police Women and Men....noe ne is blind ok....we all know that most of these Cops would not be killing people if their SOP did not make it LEGALLY ESCAPABLE.....full stop.....this is NOT ABOUT REVIEWING CURRENT STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES....this has been how this issue was deflected so many times it got this bad...firget that crap....this runs deeper into a MULTI-GENERATIONAL TEMPLATE of collisional Civic Politics /Unions/Judges/Bastardized Laws .

We simply stop preventing full accountability...and a Police Chief with murderers working under them does not deserve the job...so its not as simple as just picking off the bad Apples...its their bosses who have to go.

The heart of the issue is really this...you cannot come back into Law Enforcement if you have committed crimes as a Cop already....you need to move along....zero tolerance even if Peer pressure contributed to your criminal actions.....this means a lot of people must be purged from these Systems ASAP beginning at the Management Leadership level and running right down the line.

Lets not discuss replacing every last one of these criminalised men and women...and we must respect what has been done to them all for many began their careers with the best intentions.....and became victims of the global cabals work....but the fact remains they ARE VICTIMS and cannot be reabsorbed into Law Enforcement....and just as every other level of the Police Departments is rotten so is Recruitment…..lol...these bad Apples will be replaced immediately with absolutely no problems...because recruitment has been as bastardized as everything else has....those recruiting will be purged ASAP and we will see clean healthy roots again......there are MILLIONS of Good Women and Men just chomping @ the bit to stand up as Patriots and become LEOs...there are far more good people than bad.

If you are going to take a knee take one for the thousands and thousands of LEOs who have become victims of the times and the global cabals reach Good People who now have to reset their entire lives.There will be many thousands of reversals in terms of convictions....every time a Cop is arrested and convicted his entire body of work comes under scrutiny.....this is JUST and UNAVOIDABLE.....there will be many lawsuits...Justifyably so.....its truly in the best interests of Cops still working who know they are guilty to bug out now way ahead of the curve because this Witchhunt has only just begun and it will be retroactive not only current in scope....people will be digging DEEPLY NOW...and Justifyably so.

a reply to: Gryphon66

The Fulton DA referenced a good deal of video evidence and crime scene analysis that we haven't been privvy to.

Video can show what Rolfe knew?

You yourself have said that the taser has a very very low chance of lethality, and you yourself have recognized that the taser had been initiated at least once.

I said the taser had been used in drive stun, not that it had been fired. Two entirely different uses.

Officer Rolfe was (or should have been) aware that the taser that Mr. Brooks had possession of was spent.

I’ve watched the videos multiple times and don’t see the first shot, nor do I hear it. I’m not in the middle of a fight while watching the videos. But yes, tell us what he “should” have known.

Even if there was one charge left, that would not have been sufficient to incapacitate two officers.

Would’ve been plenty to incapacitate one, or any member of the public.

SO there's no scenario in which either officer's life was in legitimate danger from a man 18 feet away running away from them with a taser with one charge.

Glad you’ve moved off the “40 feet” thing finally. Also, cops don’t just protect themselves.

I mean there has to come a point where that is simply acknowledged over the "good shoot good shoot" chorus

And that point is when the law says it’s not. Which it doesn’t.

Apparently, however, Officer Rolfe not only put two into the man's back and not only waited to render proper aid, but he also kicked the man while he was down with two shots in his back while he partner stood on the man's shoulders.

Criminals who shoot while running tend to get shot in the back.

There has to come a point here as the actual evidence comes to light that we face reality.

The evidence points to neglect of duty. Not murder.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Estimated lethality of the taser has been established by several knowledgable folks here at about 1%.

Yes, well, we just endured how many months of lock down and nearly destroyed our economy over a disease somewhat less lethal than that, too.

a reply to: bigsnowman

And that’s why officers are judged on “what a reasonable officer would do” and not what you would do.

If you think you can do it better there’s soon to be many open positions.

mobile.twitter.com... tweet from GBI they were not notified of todays press conference and apparently had not even finished their investigation so they seem to have no idea what the DA was doing or what he is thinking so far tweet 1

GA Bureau of Investigation @GBI_GA Statement on last Friday’s OIS in Atlanta. The GBI was not aware of today’s press conference before it was conducted. We were not consulted on the charges filed by the District Attorney. (1/2)

and tweet two

GA Bureau of Investigation @GBI_GA · 9h Replying to @GBI_GA Despite today’s occurrence, the GBI will complete its mission of completing an impartial and thorough investigation of this incident and we will submit the file, once completed, to the Fulton County District Attorney’s Office. (2/2)

so the grand standing DA didnt even let them finish the investigation while bragging that they have an independent investigative unit and apparently he lied about the officer turning states evidence so not the best look for him, i wonder if they even let the officer have a union rep or a lawyer when they were talking to him (the one who was falsely alleged to have turned states evidence ) all in all not a good look for the DA oh who by the way has an open sexual harassment lawsuit against him while running for re-election

oh and there is this www.ajc.com...

The GBI has opened an investigation of Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard and his use of a nonprofit to funnel at least $140,000 in city of Atlanta funds to supplement his salary, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution and Channel 2 Action News have learned. The criminal investigation comes at a time when Howard, Fulton’s DA since 1997, is being challenged in the Democratic primary for reelection and is facing allegations of sexual harassment, which he strongly denies. In a statement issued Monday, Howard predicted he will be cleared of any wrongdoing.

this is from may 4th so it seems he was in hot water before and may not exactly like the GBI as they are investigating him..... and could very well explain some of his grand standing in this matter in hopes of staving off defeat in the upcoming election

and the daily mail has picked up on his previous charges which im sure the officer will use in his defense if this ever actually goes to trial www.dailymail.co.uk...

Rayshard Brooks was on probation and faced going back to prison if he was charged with a DUI, DailyMail.com can reveal The 27-year-old was shot and killed by police after he was found asleep at a Wendy's drive-thru in Atlanta on Friday, June 12 He was compliant with cops but after he failed a field sobriety test and blew 0.108 when breathalyzed, Brooks suddenly resisted when cops tried to cuff him Brooks was shot twice in the back as he tried to make a break for it The charges to which Brooks pleaded guilty and for which he was still on probation dated back to August 2014 He was convicted on four counts – False Imprisonment, Simple Battery/Family, Battery Simple and Felony Cruelty/Cruelty to Children Brooks had not been in trouble since 2016 until last December when he went to Ohio without informing his probation officer - but the case was dismissed

so i would assume the officers lawyers will use this to take some of the steam out of Brooks just being a family man who wanted to just walk home after failing a sobriety test and then decided to assault officers and steal their frigging taser

originally posted by: one4all

I see you reply to me, but I can't understand that garbled mess you posted, at all. Take your meds, and learn to write in coherent statements.

All I asked was, since you are claiming the police are so bad about killing people, how many people they interact with compared to how many people are killed.

If you don't know, just say so, and admit your making an emotional judgement.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: drussell41

Yes. At 8:09.

www.youtube.com...

Thank you for posting that. It appears that this part of the video has been deleted from many sources. That's unfortunate.

Predictable.

a reply to: KnoxMSP

Welcome to the club. Lol

If I was making a citizen’s arrest in this case and it went down the same way and I shot him in the back then I’m going to jail. I know it and everyone here knows it. I might or might not get off with the jury but I’m getting hooked up on scene and being charged. I’m tired of cops being held to lower standards than the general public even though they should be better equipped to handle the situation.

With backup he shot him in the back running away because he had something they shot each other with in training. Cops are quitting over this because they believe they should not be questioned. Good riddance. They are the problem. I’m good with whatever the court outcome is.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Gryphon66

Estimated lethality of the taser has been established by several knowledgable folks here at about 1%.

Yes, well, we just endured how many months of lock down and nearly destroyed our economy over a disease somewhat less lethal than that, too.

Promote that narrative!

COVID wasn't "less lethal" for the 130 thousand people who died, gasping for breath though, eh?

a reply to: Shamrock6

In rough order .. .

No, video shows Rolfe's actions. As you well know.

You stated that you only spotted one "flash" from the taser. Is that correct or incorrect?

No, you're not in the middle of a fight. Officer Rolfe, who has been trained for such situations, and has received additional training in the last few months was.

Yes, one officer or potentially one member of the public. Not both officers though. And there was no indication based on their previous interactionw with Brooks, that he had any intention to harm the public. If we're going to start predicting the future, Rolfes shots could have harmed members of the public that were observing as well.

Your interpretation of the law.

Your interpretation of the law.

Brooks was technically a suspect, and you know that shooting a fleeing suspect is not justified unless he is putting life in eminient danger. Mr. Brooks was not.