Militia Member Chased And Assaulted By Antifa Shoots One Of Them At Albuquerque Protest

a reply to: shawmanfromny

Yea, I always forget that NM is enemy territory.

a reply to: Boadicea

You sure are full of allegations. Please post something that fingers the Boogaloos' involvement. And, I mean something factual ... not someone's cockamamie opinion.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: face23785

This equivocation is pathetic.

I don't think you know what that word even means:

the use of ambiguous language to conceal the truth or to avoid committing oneself; prevarication.

Which is exactly what you did. Nice try. Case in point the rest of your post, which is all about whining about right wingers and trying to pretend they're just as bad. This is objectively not the truth.

originally posted by: Snarl
a reply to: Boadicea

You sure are full of allegations. Please post something that fingers the Boogaloos' involvement. And, I mean something factual ... not someone's cockamamie opinion.

Easy peasy.

An officer was gunned down. The killer was a ‘boogaloo boy’ using nearby peaceful protests as cover, feds say.

Three Nevada 'Boogaloo Bois' Arrested by FBI in Firebombing Plot

Second arrest of a ‘Boogaloo boy’ suspect made after violent Columbia demonstrations

3 self-proclaimed members of the far-right 'boogaloo' movement were arrested on domestic terrorism charges for trying to spark violence during protests

a reply to: Boadicea

Did any of those stories happen to mention their Boogaloo ID card being processed as evidence.

Asking for a friend.

Absolutely glorious. That man deserves a medal.

a reply to: face23785

Which is exactly what you did. Nice try. Case in point the rest of your post, which is all about whining about right wingers and trying to pretend they're just as bad. This is objectively not the truth.

LOL! I never tried to quantify the baddies. You're the only one doing that.

But no equivocation here... I will be crystal clear: I don't care if there's only 1 baddy on one side and 1,000,000 on the other side, they all are responsible and accountable for their own bad behavior and crimes. Period.

Left, right, backwards, forwards, upside down -- doesn't matter. Bad behavior is bad behavior. Criminal behavior is criminal behavior. I don't excuse and don't make pathetic excuses for any "side."

And I won't make excuses for those who make excuses for the bad people putting good people in harm's way.

a reply to: Boadicea

"Just as bad" isn't a quantity. Speaking of people that don't know the meaning of words.

Keep digging.

a reply to: Boadicea

[sarcasm]And yeah, I can tell you have just as much disdain for left-wing extremists as you do for right-wing extremists. That's why you're always absent from threads like this. [/sarcasm]

When you do come into them, your only contribution is "What about the right." So spare us your drivel. No one thinks you're being even-handed here.

originally posted by: Snarl
a reply to: Boadicea

Did any of those stories happen to mention their Boogaloo ID card being processed as evidence.

Asking for a friend.

Did your friend flunk Google 101? For that matter, did YOU flunk Google 101?

I'm sure you know all you want and need to know about the Bugaloo Boys... and your admiration for them speaks volumes about you.

Thank you for the opportunity to shed some light on the matter though. Sunshine is always the best disinfectant.

a reply to: face23785

Okay. Keep making excuses for bad behavior.

Oh! And your little "gotcha" -- I didn't bother going to the thread you linked, cause I really don't care -- isn't a gotcha at all. If the thread is already calling out one side, there's no need to call it out again. The OP already did.

But I understand. I know how annoying that is for grievance collectors... sorry not sorry.

a reply to: Boadicea

I'd say that anyone interested in law-and-order would understand that illegal acts are illegal regardless of partisanship.

You've stated it quite clearly.

a reply to: face23785

The problem is that too many people can only judge things in the most simplistic terms of right and left.

It's not equivocation to point out that violence is violence. In fact, it shouldn't even have to be pointed out.

Yet, here we are.

a reply to: Gothmog

Scary words without the threat of immediate physical harm absolutely do not justify shooting somebody. It’s that whole “self defense must be reasonable and proportional to the threat” idea. The question stands: in what state is it legal to shoot somebody for words alone?

I'm waiting to see the political leanings of everybody involved before forming an opinion on who was right and who was wrong.

www.reuters.com... some but not charges dropped against the shooter and an investigation into the guys who attacked him starting seems NM still values self defense ,and later in the article it has the shooter saying his intent to plead not guilty to all the other alleged charges ,but dodging aggravated battery is a pretty good win for him so far

(Reuters) - A New Mexico prosecutor on Wednesday dropped a shooting charge against an Albuquerque man suspected of shooting a protester and called for further investigations after allegations the protester was armed at the time he was shot.

Bernalillo County District Attorney Raúl Torrez said he had serious concerns an initial police investigation into the Monday shooting did not identify who owned multiple weapons collected at the scene, including knives, nor interview key bystanders and police.

Torrez dropped an initial aggravated battery with a deadly weapon charge against Steven Baca, 31, after images emerged online showing protester Scott Williams, 39, holding what was rumored to be a knife before he was allegedly shot by Baca. Torrez said he expected Baca to claim self defense in the case.

“There have been rumors on social media about what transpired in the final seconds before this and we are actively looking into those and whether or not this was justified,” Torrez told an online press briefing. “The reason he is not facing that charge right now is because this investigation is not complete.”

so this one at least gets the expected ending of lawful self defense and it seems for now this should be resolved at least as far as the shooter but it seems the guy with the knife may have legal issued pending now that the DA is looking into him instigating it and score one for a DA who seems to actually want to look at evidence vs just going with what the headlines were telling us

originally posted by: ThatDamnDuckAgain
What I see is a man being beaten up by a group of at least three people, hardly getting off the ground.

I can see feet kicked towards his face. Can see one of them used a board to hit on his head, impact clearly audible. The other one seemed to have a knife, could be a strap from the backpack, though.

I do not blame the guy for defending himself in a situation he is

- hearing "dude you´re dying"
- outnumbered and on the floor
- just got a smack on the head with a hard object while standing up

It was self defense and the other three to four people should be prosecuted with attempted murder.

Exactly, he clearly was mobbed. Doesn't matter what happens before a mob comes at you to beat the life out of you. You can and better defend yourself. If he was punching people earlier I don't see it and I see about 20 people make an effort to apply major pain. They all should get charges and let the courts sort them all out equally with the shooter.

Mutual combat should be a universal thing. It’s sounds like both parties came looking for trouble and found it. What comes after that is nobody’s business. Do not tie up our legal system with it anymore than a finding of mutual combat.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: face23785

The problem is that too many people can only judge things in the most simplistic terms of right and left.

It's not equivocation to point out that violence is violence. In fact, it shouldn't even have to be pointed out.

Yet, here we are.

It's just interesting that some people only point that out when the story is (purportedly) about left-wing violence. They come in "Yeah but the right does it too, and all violence is bad." You never see them come into a thread about right-wing violence and say "Yeah but the left does it too, and all violence is bad."

It's a cute little disguise for hypocrisy.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Gothmog

Scary words without the threat of immediate physical harm absolutely do not justify shooting somebody. It’s that whole “self defense must be reasonable and proportional to the threat” idea. The question stands: in what state is it legal to shoot somebody for words alone?

Thus the importance of the two knives being drawn and the assailants with them moving toward the Blue shirted man. Self defense.

We need to separate Floyds death which appears to be a MURDER with self defense actions.