What are we going to do about Seattle ?

I think cutting off things like cell service, water, electricity, etc. is actually pretty in line with what they claim theyre doing.

Make it a truly autonomous zone.

It could also serve as a wake up call to the public at large how dependent we all are to centralized systems and more importantly.. the whims of the people who control them.

It could also be used as something of a "teachable moment" for this younger generation that not only thinks what they are doing here creates autonomy. As well as showing them that the beauty in the system that exists in the US is tjat it enables us to achieve incredible levels of autonomy and self-sufficiency in our own homes.

Could also be used to show how & why colonization is a bad thing, as well as why the southern states involved in the civil war wanted more autonomy from the federal system. The former is likely something these folks already supposedly believe, and the latter is something they may have never thought about before.

I mean, none of thatll happen probably.. Too damaging to the bigger narrative at play. We are on a hard march towards dependency, and the so-called "autonomous" zone is playing into that quite well. But it could happen, I guess.

PJ Update on CHAZ

It contains two videos taken when the cops went into the precinct yesterday. It was apparently a contentious thing. They were escorted by a resident of the zone who decided it would be more productive to work with the cops on getting changes, but there were significant elements of the crowd around that wanted nothing to do with this. It was very tense and in doubt for a time.

I would say that whatever reports are coming out of there are going to be conflicting yeah/nay for a reason -- it's anarchy inside and very disorganized. There is no good reason to doubt anymore than believe. It's entirely possible some elements will say, "No we're not doing this," while other elements will in turn be doing exactly those things and there are no lines of communication between those elements.

And yes, the interviews on Fox, articles on Breitbart, New York Post, Washington Examiner and all the downstream flotsam-and-jetsam sites are claiming that there are armed gangs based on the anecdodal "Some reports" comments by Assistant Chief Nollette.

That's apparently all that some folks are looking at. Folks on the ground in the neighborhood say it's not true.

Fox News

What else has Asst. Chief Nolette said?

Seattle Assistant Police Chief Deanna Nollette has said the department is working to identify the leaders in CHAZ to discuss reopening the precinct and noted officers are responding to 911 calls in the area.

“We are dedicated to working with peaceful protesters on a way to move forward,” Nollette said. “There’s a whole citywide effort to try to identify who the leaders are. It’s just a matter of establishing a dialogue so we can take down the plywood and welcome people back into the lobby.”

But what about the armed gangs??? WHAT ABOUT THE TERRORIST WARLORD???

“I hate to have to do this but @RazSimone we gotta talk,” Austin C. Howe, who describes himself as an “anarchist-socialist/pacifist” and “big fan” of the zone, said. “You and I just had a very nice discussion about what we are and aren't doing with the precinct building as a matter of optics, and within 5 hours you streamed yourself putting hands on a graffiti tagger. I need answers.

Jesus. Some guy tried to stop another guy from tagging a building??? Horrible. What does this Simone guy say?

In response to the video, Simone said: “This actually went beautifully and we all hugged it out and spoke with his dad. His dad now wants me to mentor him. It was great black dialogue and men apologizing to each other, abandoning pride. We all hugged each other, cried it out and it was beautiful.”

Yeah, I'd say "conflicting reports" is an understatement.

a reply to: YouSir

What are your feelings on The Boston Tea Party?

Y'know, countrymen dressing up and destroying property.

You guys are modern day British Loyalists, content with how things are.

The old school tea partiers and the likes of George Washington, they would all be labeled as terrorists in todays society.

Asking for military assistance to quell public dissidence is you telling the government, We don't know how to take care of ourselves and we want to be ruled with an iron fist up our azz!

I'm willing to bet 8 years ago, most of you conservatives were all about smaller government roles, less policing of the world and more personal freedom, now your advocating for militarized force used against American citizens, which will inevitably lead to internment camps.

Once the military feel justified in abusing that power against a smaller group, they'll keep doing it and work their way up the totem pole until it's people like you the narrators will be calling a terrorist or unpatriotic.

1984?
Nazi Germany?
Machiavelli anybody?

It's the old playbook that's been used by the powerful since the days of kings and you're falling for it hook, line and sinker.

The only things that matters to the puppet masters is money, it's the peoples duty to put the fear of god in their officials to curb corruption.

It's too late to stop it.

The ball was dropped in the 60s/70s, the older generations had an opportunity to nip this in the bud and this is how your children react when kicking the can down the road comes to an end.

We'll never go back to normal, now.
This was inevitable.

Go ahead and try to fight change.

I think the destruction of statues and public parks along with the addition of huge amounts of graffiti on private property by roving groups of armed revolutionaries and self-proclaimed 'Warlords' ...is indicative that reports of rampant lawlessness and extortion are likely true.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
And yes, the interviews on Fox, articles on Breitbart, New York Post, Washington Examiner and all the downstream flotsam-and-jetsam sites are claiming that there are armed gangs based on the anecdodal "Some reports" comments by Assistant Chief Nollette.

That's apparently all that some folks are looking at. Folks on the ground in the neighborhood say it's not true.

I'm not sure of what party she votes for but, is she a credible source?

We will do it just like we did at Waco. Set up negotiations and in return for food, supplies,any possible hostages/ people who are stuck there, we will give the something small in return. Then eventually the talks will start to break down because the BLM’S and ANTIFA’s and whoever else is there will want unreasonable requests that no one can honor. Eventually the FBI and state LEO’s will become involved because they will find cause for jurisdictional intrusions, gangs, RICo, drug dealing, interference with state and local utilities, interference with streets, traffic, interstate commerce, trespassing on government on buildings you get the picture. Once everything breaks down and they start getting riled up we send SWAT, strike teams, tanks drones, etc. Then we turn around and tell the press “ Their were some children we felt were in danger.” Sound familiar.

originally posted by: ManSizedSquirrel

originally posted by: Gryphon66
And yes, the interviews on Fox, articles on Breitbart, New York Post, Washington Examiner and all the downstream flotsam-and-jetsam sites are claiming that there are armed gangs based on the anecdodal "Some reports" comments by Assistant Chief Nollette.

That's apparently all that some folks are looking at. Folks on the ground in the neighborhood say it's not true.

I'm not sure of what party she votes for but, is she a credible source?

She's a cop.
They are all lying racists and her opinion doesn't matter.

Get with the program...sheesh!

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: ManSizedSquirrel

originally posted by: Gryphon66
And yes, the interviews on Fox, articles on Breitbart, New York Post, Washington Examiner and all the downstream flotsam-and-jetsam sites are claiming that there are armed gangs based on the anecdodal "Some reports" comments by Assistant Chief Nollette.

That's apparently all that some folks are looking at. Folks on the ground in the neighborhood say it's not true.

I'm not sure of what party she votes for but, is she a credible source?

She's a cop.
They are all lying racists and her opinion doesn't matter.

Get with the program...sheesh!

Oh dear I didn't notice that. I'm sure the "folks" on the ground no more about the situation she created than she does. Good catch!

a reply to: ManSizedSquirrel

Chief Best? Sure, she's certainly a qualified witness.

She said 911 times had tripled (which means the police are still responding) and that there had been reports of rapes, etc.

She said that the precinct building had been breached, and that there was a lot of clean up needed.

Was there something she said that you wanted to highlight?

originally posted by: ManSizedSquirrel

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: ManSizedSquirrel

originally posted by: Gryphon66
And yes, the interviews on Fox, articles on Breitbart, New York Post, Washington Examiner and all the downstream flotsam-and-jetsam sites are claiming that there are armed gangs based on the anecdodal "Some reports" comments by Assistant Chief Nollette.

That's apparently all that some folks are looking at. Folks on the ground in the neighborhood say it's not true.

I'm not sure of what party she votes for but, is she a credible source?

She's a cop.
They are all lying racists and her opinion doesn't matter.

Get with the program...sheesh!

Oh dear I didn't notice that. I'm sure the "folks" on the ground no more about the situation she created than she does. Good catch!

I won't report you to the Warlord...THIS time.

Let's see what Chief Best has to say ...

Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best said she supports the right to free speech, but adds, "this is not that."

"We just want to make sure it gets resolved," Best told ABC News' "Good Morning America" on Friday.

But Best stressed on "GMA" that her department "did not -- for clarification -- abandon the precinct."

"We did have to remove some personnel for a short period of time, and then it became unsafe," she said.

"We're currently working to get our officers back into the facility," Best said.

Hmmm ... Chief Guest isn't talking about armed warlord gangs, is she? She seems to be interested in doing her job.

But Best told "GMA" on Friday, "I don't get involved in the politics."

"I'm just concerned about making sure that I'm able to get my officers back into the precinct so that they can respond to calls for service," Best said. "We need to have officers responding to calls in a timely fashion and with the occupation, we're not able to do so in a timely way. It's taking us three times the amount of time for priority-one calls in the area and almost an hour for priority-two calls."

ABC

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ManSizedSquirrel

Chief Best? Sure, she's certainly a qualified witness.

She said 911 times had tripled (which means the police are still responding) and that there had been reports of rapes, etc.

She said that the precinct building had been breached, and that there was a lot of clean up needed.

Was there something she said that you wanted to highlight?

And that's your takeaway from all of this lol? Not that 911 response times have tripled or the fact that there have been reports of rapes etc.. Also, members of certain black organizations have begun to speak out against this new fruitopia. I gotta tell ya friend, the mental hoops you are jumping through to justify the occupation and secession of parts of a major city in the US is making MY head hurt. I don't know how you do it. I really can't even do this anymore, fine you win. I need to get back to work so I can pay taxes on this new Chazistan, good day sir.

a reply to: ManSizedSquirrel

That's what the Chief said. You asked if she's a reliable witness.

I gotta tell you friend, you're the only one jumping through hoops here. I'm saying let's look at what people IN SEATTLE are saying. Let's keep the media hype from FOX, Breitbart, the Examiner, the Post, Townhall ... all the various right-wing outlets that are DETERMINED to justify Trump's threats ... let's look at the facts.

The facts are ... there's issues in the Capitol Hill DIstrict. The other fact is ... the locals have it in hand.

Taa taa.

a reply to: Fallingdown

All that is needed to end this is a good, old-fashioned siege!



It wouldn't even take the military to do it. Eventually electric, water, phones and internet would be cut off for non-payment. All that would be required is blockades to stop supplies from entering the "CHAZ" area which could be accomplished by either police or militia without involving the fed.

Siege is a very successful war strategy. If the children want to play war show them how it's played without allowing them to martyr themselves for the media!

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ManSizedSquirrel

That's what the Chief said. You asked if she's a reliable witness.

I gotta tell you friend, you're the only one jumping through hoops here. I'm saying let's look at what people IN SEATTLE are saying. Let's keep the media hype from FOX, Breitbart, the Examiner, the Post, Townhall ... all the various right-wing outlets that are DETERMINED to justify Trump's threats ... let's look at the facts.

The facts are ... there's issues in the Capitol Hill DIstrict. The other fact is ... the locals have it in hand.

Taa taa.

I have yet to post a link or quote from any of those sources you listed. I also have not stated a word about president Trump. I also never stated any of my political leanings whatsoever, so trying to attack me and not the evidence presented sort of proves my point. I have stayed on the topic of this occupation of a section of a major American city. I also came to the conclusion that this was an occupation (armed or not) on my own by examining the event through the lens of truth and law. So, to be honest I have no idea what the hell you are talking about with this comment. But please, continue.

a reply to: ManSizedSquirrel

I thought you weren't talking to me any more.

In a reply to you, I'm talking about the thread, just as you, in your replies to me, are talking about the thread. You made general statements in response to me as I did to you. There's nothing productive in you taking everything I say in response to you to be about you personally. So chill.

I didn't say you used any of the right-wing media sources ... but that is the source of the wailing and gnashing of teeth over the situation in Seattle.

You seem to be echoing that in your posts ... so even if you're not citing those sources, you're promoting the narrative.

And I've expressed some concerns about what I see as well. I'm absolutely against armed gangs extorting money from citizens ... but all that was based on one comment from Asst. Chief Nolette, and I have found nothing else to coroborate it.

However, since the riots have slowed down here, those that are promoting a right-wing narrative (and whatever your personal preferences, that isi what you are doing) that Seattle has been lost, that it's a warzone with a warlord in control ... are simply not telling the truth. It's not factual. It's fake news.

Glad I could clear that up.

a reply to: Fallingdown

I doubt you and I will be doing anything except talking about it from the safety of our homes. Unless you live there.

But are any of the members living in seattle?

What are they doing? It's their city after all. If their ok with it that's on them.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

My friends and I are talking about making a visit there this weekend.

We attended a nearby protest on a whim to see it firsthand.

I implore everyone to make it to one of these protests, regardless of your affiliation, so you can get your news from the source without any spin.

Alot of these things are going down way different than what the news is telling you.

I really want to visit Seattle before/as SHTF, so I could see/be a part of history.

All I really wanna do is drink and get high and dance in the street of the CHAZ and keep the peace...

dressed as Hunter S. Thompson.